Mark; the appearance of this topic follows a brief exchange on GMF; evidently Duane has experienced something similar. I first noticed it last weekend when a onetime Yahoo Group enlisted all its members on to a new Group on Groups.io without dragging all the historical impedimenta with it.

I suspect the problem will only be apparent to members not on Pacific Time. I (and almost all the others on the new Group) am in the UK, and thus on UTC, or more correctly at the moment UTC + 1.

The time display for incoming messages is correct. However, if I (and I assume anyone else) quotes from a previous post then the time shown for that previous post is exactly (minus) 8 hours different, i.e. Pacific Time.

Duane is of the view that this may an artifact of the work done recently on Date Formats; I don't know enough to either agree or disagree with that statement!

Any chance you can have a look at this sometime?

Regards,

Chris

Good afternoon everyone, I am with one other owner, and middle of transferring three size groups over to groups.I0 from the mailman. The partner, is wanting to see if we can add a email command to bring down all of the people that have applied for membership I'm wondering if this is possible now were aware that this is possible through the web, but he would rather do it all via email.

I would like to add to this list of needed search options.

At least in our group, the ability to "Include subgroups" in a search from the main group would be extremely helpful.

Or, is there already a way to do this that I have not found?

Peace,
Tom

I am a screen reader user of groups.io and I love the service! In fact, it is very popular with the blind and the visually impaired. While the site is very usable, there are some edit fields that are not labeled when I tab through.

I don't use the mouse, I only use the keyboard with the free screen reader NVDA. One area where there is a lot of unlabeled edit fields is in the section where we create a new group or edit the group's settings. I have to manually move through using the arrow keys, and I miss quite a bit of sections and edit fields this way.

I would also like to ask if a heading can be applied to the top of the messages list, so I and others can quickly jump to the main message list? Could there also be a heading above the group's menu, the one that has all the admin settings, members, subgroups, and things like that?

If you have any questions, I would be more than happy to answer them.

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 05:54 am, Mark Fletcher wrote:

so it was some dusty code. It's been fixed for the future.

And I'd bet that by the time this new code is needed, it will have become dusty! ;>)

Thanks,
Duane

Hi All,

As I discovered early this morning, the site rollback didn't restart some cron jobs. This meant that event reminders and some digests were delayed, and summaries did not go out for 4 hours. My apologies; rollbacks don't happen much at all (I cannot remember the last time I had to do one), so it was some dusty code. It's been fixed for the future.

Thanks, Mark

Unplanned downtime #outage

When:
Monday, 2 July 2018
9:00pm to 9:05pm
(GMT-07:00) America/Los Angeles

Description:

An update to the site went badly, and I had to revert the changes. The site was down for about 5 minutes.

Gritty details: I changed a low level library that deals with converting data to and from JSON. This mistakenly caused many integers to be output as named strings in JSON, which caused problems for the code that was expecting to deal with integers. This caused some errors to show on the website and some emails to be sent without footers. I caught it within about 10 seconds of going live.

Excellent suggestion that all Polls should have a unique identifier - Number, Date, and/or Name.

Number - works but does not remind what the Poll was about or when.

Date - probably would have a higher recognition rate.
However if dated and there were more than 1 Poll in a day, how would that be handled?

Named, should also include a date (as many polls are likely to be repeated) - would have highest recognition rate.

-Ranked Choice Voting

Please elaborate what you mean by that

If there are not a majority of votes for a candidate (whatever is being voted on), then an Instant Runoff occurs using 2nd choices, etc.
http://www.fairvote.org/rcv#where_is_ranked_choice_voting_used

It is also known as Ranked Voting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked_voting

-No one can view results before a Poll closes.

should be optional. I can imagine situations in which a poll doesn't close at all :-)

Yes, these where all suggestions of options for Polls.

Currently there are no specified Open and Close dates and times.
If a Poll has no stated Close date and time, and the results can be viewed by Moderators and/or Poll creators, then the Poll could be suddenly closed at any point when a desired outcome is in the lead. I’ve seen this happen.

If results can be viewed during a Poll, say by everyone, it is possible that some would not vote either because it appears their choice has a large lead or deficit.

My suggestions are motivated that Poll, should be set up to be transparent (everyone knows what its parameters are) and fair (no one has an advantage). Yes, because anyone may have more than one subscribed email address, we have ‘1 email address, 1 vote’ rather than ‘1 person, 1 vote’.

I concede that the objective of a Poll might not be ‘a fair election’, but rather an indication of ‘what is trending now’. However a Poll which never closes will run out of additional votes that can be cast if only 1 vote is permitted per email address, as at some point every email address that will vote already has. This could prompt some to subscribe with additional email addresses in order to have additional votes - I doubt this is desirable.


Additional Suggestion:
Only email addresses subscribed before a Poll is either Opened, or better yet already subscribed, should be able to vote in a Poll.

It's akin to the sticky wiki, but emailed to the group. In fact, that's where the idea arose. I wanted to call members' attention to the sticky wiki, but realized that many of them aren't logged in to the site. So I wanted to email it to them. It would be, as I said, convenient to be able click on the page and have it sent out.
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 06:48 am, Gerald Boutin wrote:

What is wrong with sending out a message with a link to the Wiki?

What's wrong with that is that a large percentage of group members access the group only by email and are not logged in, so they couldn't access the link. 
 

results in a static document which goes against the idea of a Wiki as a living document

It doesn't actually result in any "document," besides which, who cares? It is what it is at the time.

I can't see supporting that idea. 

No need to support it or not support it. If you don't like it, you don't have to use it. I don't see how it does any harm. It's simply for convenience.

copy-n-paste seems to already do what you are after

As I said: it's for convenience.
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 10:44 pm, J_Catlady wrote:

It would be convenient to be able to click on a wiki page and have its content go out as a message to the group.


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J

Sorry, but I can't see supporting that idea. Sending out a copy of Wiki page(s) results in a static document which goes against the idea of a Wiki as a living document.

What is wrong with sending out a message with a link to the Wiki? Besides, copy-n-paste seems to already do what you are after.

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Gerald

I'm not sure whether I asked this already or maybe it was already implemented:polls should be numbered. That way if they lead to discussion, you won't get confused as to which poll you are discussing about. Or if they come quickly after one another, about which ones you already answered.

"please answer poll 56" is a lot clearer than "there's a new poll"

groetjes, Ronaldo

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 10:23 am, Michael Pavan wrote:

-Ranked Choice Voting

Please elaborate what you mean by that

-No one can view results before a Poll closes.

should be optional. I can imagine situations in which a poll doesn't close at all :-)

Hello Mark,

Could say more about the functionality for mention a member to a topic/message with @displayname. To the configuration page it's important to add "Allow to be mention" or "Send a email when mentionned"

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Dreadaxe