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moderated Re: Schedule this week

Douglas Swearingen
 

Thanks Mark,


For all you do for us, you definitely deserve some time off.


Doug




From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> on behalf of Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 5:25 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Schedule this week
 
Hi All,

Because of the 4th of July holiday here in the US this week, there will be no Site Updates email on Friday. Also, support response will be slower the rest of the week. Things will be back to normal next week.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Schedule this week

 

Hi All,

Because of the 4th of July holiday here in the US this week, there will be no Site Updates email on Friday. Also, support response will be slower the rest of the week. Things will be back to normal next week.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 10:02 PM, Michael Chopra <michaelchopra38@...> wrote:
Hello Mark. Could you please give me an explanation as to what a locked  Group  member notice is?
Thanks.


A locked group is read-only. If you try to send an email to it, you get back a generic bounce message saying the group is locked. You can create a locked group member notice, and that will be sent out instead of the generic message.

Cheers,
Mark 


moderated Re: new topic

 

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Tom Vail <tom@...> wrote:
new topic
_._,_._,_

Test messages are not appropriate for beta@.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Advanced Search (Filters) #suggestion

Tom Vail
 

I would like to add to this list of needed search options.

At least in our group, the ability to "Include subgroups" in a search from the main group would be extremely helpful.

Or, is there already a way to do this that I have not found?

Peace,
Tom


moderated Accessibility fixes?

 

I am a screen reader user of groups.io and I love the service! In fact, it is very popular with the blind and the visually impaired. While the site is very usable, there are some edit fields that are not labeled when I tab through.

I don't use the mouse, I only use the keyboard with the free screen reader NVDA. One area where there is a lot of unlabeled edit fields is in the section where we create a new group or edit the group's settings. I have to manually move through using the arrow keys, and I miss quite a bit of sections and edit fields this way.

I would also like to ask if a heading can be applied to the top of the messages list, so I and others can quickly jump to the main message list? Could there also be a heading above the group's menu, the one that has all the admin settings, members, subgroups, and things like that?

If you have any questions, I would be more than happy to answer them.


moderated Re: Event: Unplanned downtime #outage - Monday, 2 July 2018 #cal-invite #outage

Duane
 

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 05:54 am, Mark Fletcher wrote:
so it was some dusty code. It's been fixed for the future.
And I'd bet that by the time this new code is needed, it will have become dusty! ;>)

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: Event: Unplanned downtime #outage - Monday, 2 July 2018 #cal-invite #outage

 

Hi All,

As I discovered early this morning, the site rollback didn't restart some cron jobs. This meant that event reminders and some digests were delayed, and summaries did not go out for 4 hours. My apologies; rollbacks don't happen much at all (I cannot remember the last time I had to do one), so it was some dusty code. It's been fixed for the future.

Thanks, Mark


moderated Event: Unplanned downtime #outage - Monday, 2 July 2018 #cal-invite #outage

main@beta.groups.io Calendar <main@...>
 

Unplanned downtime #outage

When:
Monday, 2 July 2018
9:00pm to 9:05pm
(GMT-07:00) America/Los Angeles

Description:

An update to the site went badly, and I had to revert the changes. The site was down for about 5 minutes.

Gritty details: I changed a low level library that deals with converting data to and from JSON. This mistakenly caused many integers to be output as named strings in JSON, which caused problems for the code that was expecting to deal with integers. This caused some errors to show on the website and some emails to be sent without footers. I caught it within about 10 seconds of going live.


moderated Re: Poll suggestions

Michael Pavan
 

Excellent suggestion that all Polls should have a unique identifier - Number, Date, and/or Name.

Number - works but does not remind what the Poll was about or when.

Date - probably would have a higher recognition rate.
However if dated and there were more than 1 Poll in a day, how would that be handled?

Named, should also include a date (as many polls are likely to be repeated) - would have highest recognition rate.

I'm not sure whether I asked this already or maybe it was already implemented:polls should be numbered. That way if they lead to discussion, you won't get confused as to which poll you are discussing about. Or if they come quickly after one another, about which ones you already answered.

"please answer poll 56" is a lot clearer than "there's a new poll”


moderated Re: Poll suggestions

Michael Pavan
 

-Ranked Choice Voting
Please elaborate what you mean by that
If there are not a majority of votes for a candidate (whatever is being voted on), then an Instant Runoff occurs using 2nd choices, etc.
http://www.fairvote.org/rcv#where_is_ranked_choice_voting_used

It is also known as Ranked Voting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked_voting


-No one can view results before a Poll closes.
should be optional. I can imagine situations in which a poll doesn't close at all :-)
Yes, these where all suggestions of options for Polls.

Currently there are no specified Open and Close dates and times.
If a Poll has no stated Close date and time, and the results can be viewed by Moderators and/or Poll creators, then the Poll could be suddenly closed at any point when a desired outcome is in the lead. I’ve seen this happen.

If results can be viewed during a Poll, say by everyone, it is possible that some would not vote either because it appears their choice has a large lead or deficit.

My suggestions are motivated that Poll, should be set up to be transparent (everyone knows what its parameters are) and fair (no one has an advantage). Yes, because anyone may have more than one subscribed email address, we have ‘1 email address, 1 vote’ rather than ‘1 person, 1 vote’.

I concede that the objective of a Poll might not be ‘a fair election’, but rather an indication of ‘what is trending now’. However a Poll which never closes will run out of additional votes that can be cast if only 1 vote is permitted per email address, as at some point every email address that will vote already has. This could prompt some to subscribe with additional email addresses in order to have additional votes - I doubt this is desirable.


Additional Suggestion:
Only email addresses subscribed before a Poll is either Opened, or better yet already subscribed, should be able to vote in a Poll.


moderated Re: Ability to select/send wiki page to the group #suggestion

 

It's akin to the sticky wiki, but emailed to the group. In fact, that's where the idea arose. I wanted to call members' attention to the sticky wiki, but realized that many of them aren't logged in to the site. So I wanted to email it to them. It would be, as I said, convenient to be able click on the page and have it sent out.
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Ability to select/send wiki page to the group #suggestion

 

On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 06:48 am, Gerald Boutin wrote:
What is wrong with sending out a message with a link to the Wiki?
What's wrong with that is that a large percentage of group members access the group only by email and are not logged in, so they couldn't access the link. 
 
results in a static document which goes against the idea of a Wiki as a living document
It doesn't actually result in any "document," besides which, who cares? It is what it is at the time.

I can't see supporting that idea. 
No need to support it or not support it. If you don't like it, you don't have to use it. I don't see how it does any harm. It's simply for convenience.

copy-n-paste seems to already do what you are after
As I said: it's for convenience.
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Ability to select/send wiki page to the group #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 10:44 pm, J_Catlady wrote:
It would be convenient to be able to click on a wiki page and have its content go out as a message to the group.


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J
Sorry, but I can't see supporting that idea. Sending out a copy of Wiki page(s) results in a static document which goes against the idea of a Wiki as a living document.

What is wrong with sending out a message with a link to the Wiki? Besides, copy-n-paste seems to already do what you are after.

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Gerald


moderated Re: Poll suggestions

ro-esp
 

I'm not sure whether I asked this already or maybe it was already implemented:polls should be numbered. That way if they lead to discussion, you won't get confused as to which poll you are discussing about. Or if they come quickly after one another, about which ones you already answered.

"please answer poll 56" is a lot clearer than "there's a new poll"

groetjes, Ronaldo


moderated Re: Poll suggestions

ro-esp
 

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 10:23 am, Michael Pavan wrote:



-Ranked Choice Voting
Please elaborate what you mean by that

-No one can view results before a Poll closes.
should be optional. I can imagine situations in which a poll doesn't close at all :-)


moderated News about @mention function

Benoît Dumeaux
 

Hello Mark,

Could say more about the functionality for mention a member to a topic/message with @displayname. To the configuration page it's important to add "Allow to be mention" or "Send a email when mentionned"

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Dreadaxe


moderated Ability to select/send wiki page to the group #suggestion

 

It would be convenient to be able to click on a wiki page and have its content go out as a message to the group.


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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: include direct-adds in member activity log #suggestion

 

That was my original point. :-)

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 11:50 AM, J_Olivia Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Agreed. I want them there, too. 

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
J,

> Then you'd want to remove those other actions by the mod.

*I* wouldn't.

> I slightly favor having them all there, just for convenience. But it
> should be consistent.

I strongly favor having them all there (actions affecting a person's membership) in one tab. Regardless of whether it was the member or a mod (or even the system/support) that took the action.

That would make it possible to search a single tab for the member's email address and get their complete join/leave history. The "All Activity" tab could be used, but is too cluttered with message and other usage activity to easily find the actions of interest.

Shal






--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: include direct-adds in member activity log #suggestion

 

Agreed. I want them there, too. 

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
J,

> Then you'd want to remove those other actions by the mod.

*I* wouldn't.

> I slightly favor having them all there, just for convenience. But it
> should be consistent.

I strongly favor having them all there (actions affecting a person's membership) in one tab. Regardless of whether it was the member or a mod (or even the system/support) that took the action.

That would make it possible to search a single tab for the member's email address and get their complete join/leave history. The "All Activity" tab could be used, but is too cluttered with message and other usage activity to easily find the actions of interest.

Shal





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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

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