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moderated Re: Special Notices #suggestion

Jeremy H
 

My thought as to what I would like, and consider as the ideal situaton:

When a message is sent (i.e. goes through the groups.io system) as a special message (however this was triggered) a tag (or other marker) should added saying #This_Was_Sent_As_Special_Message, or word(s) to that effect. If a message is sent as a not special message with that tag, then it should be removed.

If the trigger to a message being sent as a special message is a tag (#Send_This_As_Special_Message), then that tag should be removed as it goes through the system (so that tag will never be on a received message), and replaced by the #This_Was_Sent_As_Special_Message one.

Critical element of this is difference between inwards (to group.io processing) and outwards (from groups.io) tagging; and the removal of the outward tag if isn't correct on a reply/forwarded message.

Jeremy


moderated Re: Outlook/Hotmail delivery issue

Sarah k Alawami
 

Thanks for that. I forwarded the notice to my list in case there are any hotmail users on there. I think there are. Hopefully they are not upset at me for letting them know a bit late, but yeah. Anyway blessings.

On Jun 9, 2018, at 6:12 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

Microsoft has been not accepting email from us since early this morning. They claim some sort of spam issue. We're registered with their FBL system, and I went to check the reputation of our service. They say there was an issue with an IP address that I had registered with them but have never used to send any email. So I'm guessing it's some kind of mistake. I removed that IP address from their system and sent an email to them about it. 

As of now, we're still blocked. Assuming we're unblocked in the next day or two, all the queued up email will be delivered. From some things I've read, it appears that they do bulk processing once a day, around midnight. So maybe we have to wait until then to get this fixed.



moderated Re: Outlook/Hotmail delivery issue

Douglas Swearingen
 

Hello Mark,


I received email from Hotmail/Outlook until at least 6:40am this morning.


BTW Thank You for all you do for Groups.io.


Doug




From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> on behalf of Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2018 7:12 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Outlook/Hotmail delivery issue
 
Hi All,

Microsoft has been not accepting email from us since early this morning. They claim some sort of spam issue. We're registered with their FBL system, and I went to check the reputation of our service. They say there was an issue with an IP address that I had registered with them but have never used to send any email. So I'm guessing it's some kind of mistake. I removed that IP address from their system and sent an email to them about it. 

As of now, we're still blocked. Assuming we're unblocked in the next day or two, all the queued up email will be delivered. From some things I've read, it appears that they do bulk processing once a day, around midnight. So maybe we have to wait until then to get this fixed.

Mark


moderated Re: calendar features

Green Fizzpops
 

I would like to request that we can attach hashtags to calender events. My group has been using #event and #cityname on emails with announcements about events in different cities


moderated Re: Outlook/Hotmail delivery issue

 

Armando,

I am still receiving your emails.
Or, are you receiving them once more?

On Jun 10, 2018, at 4:19 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
...
As of now, we're still blocked. ... From some things I've read, it
appears that they do bulk processing once a day, around midnight. So
maybe we have to wait until then to get this fixed.
Mark actually posted that at 6:12 pm PDT, which would be 01:12 UTC. You're message was posted at 08:31 UTC. So if you answered promptly (within 20 minutes or so) after receiving Mark's message that might be evidence that the block has been removed and the backlog of messages are now reaching Outlook users. Some seven hours late in your case.

Shal


moderated Re: Outlook/Hotmail delivery issue

Armando <a.vias@...>
 

I am still receiving your emails.


On Jun 10, 2018, at 4:19 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

Microsoft has been not accepting email from us since early this morning. They claim some sort of spam issue. We're registered with their FBL system, and I went to check the reputation of our service. They say there was an issue with an IP address that I had registered with them but have never used to send any email. So I'm guessing it's some kind of mistake. I removed that IP address from their system and sent an email to them about it. 

As of now, we're still blocked. Assuming we're unblocked in the next day or two, all the queued up email will be delivered. From some things I've read, it appears that they do bulk processing once a day, around midnight. So maybe we have to wait until then to get this fixed.

Mark


moderated Reduce size of Calendar #suggestion

Chris V
 

Can I suggest that the size of some of the calendar view would be better if they took up less screen space?
If I view the Month view then I cannot get all the days on my screen, let alone the next and previous month buttons.
The week and day views are the same, one has to scroll up and down to see the whole display


moderated Re: Outlook/Hotmail delivery issue

Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Oh thanks for this info Mark, I recently had a member rate to one of the groups that I am a part of, saying that he hasn’t been receiving any messages. So pretty much what you’re saying, any messages that have been sent out will be sent to those members server has been on blocked.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 9, 2018, at 8:12 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

Microsoft has been not accepting email from us since early this morning. They claim some sort of spam issue. We're registered with their FBL system, and I went to check the reputation of our service. They say there was an issue with an IP address that I had registered with them but have never used to send any email. So I'm guessing it's some kind of mistake. I removed that IP address from their system and sent an email to them about it. 

As of now, we're still blocked. Assuming we're unblocked in the next day or two, all the queued up email will be delivered. From some things I've read, it appears that they do bulk processing once a day, around midnight. So maybe we have to wait until then to get this fixed.

Mark


moderated Outlook/Hotmail delivery issue

 

Hi All,

Microsoft has been not accepting email from us since early this morning. They claim some sort of spam issue. We're registered with their FBL system, and I went to check the reputation of our service. They say there was an issue with an IP address that I had registered with them but have never used to send any email. So I'm guessing it's some kind of mistake. I removed that IP address from their system and sent an email to them about it. 

As of now, we're still blocked. Assuming we're unblocked in the next day or two, all the queued up email will be delivered. From some things I've read, it appears that they do bulk processing once a day, around midnight. So maybe we have to wait until then to get this fixed.

Mark


moderated Re: "Group Reply" button - that's a new one on me

 

Brian,

... and there's no corresponding association with a member name/e-mail
(even if the sender is a member using another address) so the software
has no way to initiate a private (off-list) reply to the poster. Or
at least I can't see how it could.
The software could know, even if it doesn't display the information. That is, when it received the message (perforce by email) the sender's email address was in the From field. All the software need do is keep track of that bit of metadata. I'd be surprised if it doesn't already.

Part of the address is visible to you (as a moderator) in the message's View Source (see the More menu). Alas, fig-leafed. I think that's a remnant of prior processing when View Source was available to members.

Shal


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Bob Bellizzi
 

Get some rest, Mark!
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Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Special Notices #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 11:33 am, Frances wrote:
I think it would be useful if the hashtag was added automatically when you tick the Special Notice box.
Or a pop-up reminder to add the hashtag yourself.
Hi Frances.

For my groups, I've decided to create a #SpecialNotice hashtag that has the Special, Locked and Use by Mods Only flags set.

I intend to use this for all subsequent special notices. Please consider doing something similar.

I still believe your idea of having something like this as an automatic system feature is a good one. 

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: plain text footers

Arno Martens
 

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 03:58 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

​Correct. They're alternating hyphens and equal signs.

​It is a Groups.io specific marker for it to recognize its own footers,
​so they can be trimmed from quotes in replies.
​Shal
Thanks, Shal, here goes the previous and now txt comparison:

Groups.io Links:

You receive all messages sent to this group.

View/Reply Online (#3652): https://groups.io/g/CanAm-Toronto/message/3652
View All Messages In Topic (3): https://groups.io/g/CanAm-Toronto/topic/19400868
Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/19400868/466079
New Topic: https://groups.io/g/CanAm-Toronto/post

Change Your Subscription: https://groups.io/g/CanAm-Toronto/editsub/466079
Group Home: https://groups.io/g/CanAm-Toronto
Contact Group Owner: CanAm-Toronto+owner@groups.io
Terms of Service: https://groups.io/static/tos
Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/CanAm-Toronto/leave/defanged
________________________________________________
Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group.

View/Reply Online (#3662): https://groups.io/g/CanAm-Toronto/message/3662
Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/21837565/466079
Group Owner: CanAm-Toronto+owner@groups.io
Leave: https://groups.io/g/CanAm-Toronto/leave/defanged [snetram@sympatico.ca]

Arno


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • BUGFIX: In the mobile view, the Subgroups link was not always displayed when it should be.
  • BUGFIX: Fixed several screen reader accessibility issues throughout the site.
  • CHANGE: Updated the Google Group transfer page with changed directions.
  • BUGFIX: Fixed the Edit button on the Hashtags page on Safari.
  • BUGIFX: The 'Upload File' button was never disabled, even when it should have been, due to a typo in the HTML.
  • CHANGE: Removed lavabit.com from the list of banned email domains, because they no longer have a disposable email address feature.
  • CHANGE: For messages with both a plain text and html part, we now insert the message footer into both parts (previously we'd only insert it into the html part).
  • CHANGE: Ignore bad certificates from Yahoo when downloading y! group photos.
  • CHANGE: Tweaked plan text message footers to make them much smaller.
  • CHANGE: When inviting someone who is not already a Groups.io user, prioritize setting their Full Name to what was in the invite over what their email is set to.
  • CHANGE: Changed the time format in the calendar views to use am and pm instead of a and p.
  • NEW: You can now change the owner of a photo album.
  • NEW: You can now change the owner of an individual photo.
  • BUGFIX: Removed unused Search button on the chat page.
  • CHANGE: When viewing poll results, keep the order of respondents the same in View By Answer mode. Also removed pagination widget, because we don't currently paginate that page.
  • BUGFIX: For messages with text larger than 32kb in length, we incorrectly passed a much shorter part of the message to the search indexer than was necessary.
  • CHANGE: Changed the gavel icon to a scale to represent moderated threads.
  • BUGFIX: Some error messages weren't being displayed correctly when editing a group's settings (such as group description being too short).
  • NEW: Exportgroup now exports more member data, in json format. For premium/enterprise groups, we now export past member data. And we export member notices.
  • NEW: You can now move photos between photo albums.
  • CHANGE: In the pending message page, all buttons are disabled until at least one message is selected.
  • INTERNAL: Completed switchover to new search cluster.
  • CHANGE: In message, wiki and api revision list pages, if there are two revisions checked, and we check another revision, we remove the oldest revision check.

Have a good weekend everybody.

Mark


moderated Re: "Group Reply" button - that's a new one on me

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Shal,

          If you look at the screen shot I posted (here: https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/17328 in case you participate by e-mail), and I hadn't noticed this at the time, the message itself in the web interface does not have any association with a member if it is posted via the "owner approved an outsider" method, which is what happened here.

          Since the web interface never presents a full e-mail address (even if included, which it might have been if you look next to Mr. van Eerde's name) I can't use that to send an e-mail via e-mail and there's no corresponding association with a member name/e-mail (even if the sender is a member using another address) so the software has no way to initiate a private (off-list) reply to the poster.  Or at least I can't see how it could.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 
     Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

          ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


moderated Re: "Group Reply" button - that's a new one on me

 

Joseph
​,


This engineer subscribed using a different address, yet sends messages via a different address that’s not subscribed yet.

​Intriguing. And perhaps similar to Mark's guess that the address' account had been deleted - in this case an account never existed for that address.

However I stick with my earlier comment: I don't see why this should prevent a private (off-list) reply to the poster, since that reply can only initiate an off-list conversation; which doesn't require subscription to the group.

Shal​


moderated Re: "Group Reply" button - that's a new one on me

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 08:27 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Posts from outsiders are initially sent to owner address, and owners can accept or reject them.
Well, at least that explains the whole situation now.

I do not receive the owner e-mail messages since my sole task as moderator is managing necessary message merging in the online archive.  Thus, I've never watched one of these situations as it was occurring, so the whole thing threw me for a loop.

I operate pretty much as though I am simply a member, so this is the first time I've ever encountered all of what's been explained during the course of this topic.

I was aware that Mr. van Eerde is a Microsoft Engineer.  I was trying to copy him with the same private message I sent to Ms. Shilling regarding how to create a signature so they would not have to keep typing that information for each and every post, as she was very pleased to have received it.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 
     Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

          ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


moderated Re: "Group Reply" button - that's a new one on me

 

Hi,

Posts from outsiders are initially sent to owner address, and owners can accept or reject them. In this case, I accept them because this is a Microsoft email address (not MSA address, but an actual Microsoft address). What might be happening is that this person might be using two email accounts or aliases: one for receiving, the other for sending. These can be configured from email clients (I believe) or via email services.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 8:02 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] "Group Reply" button - that's a new one on me

 

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 07:34 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:

The person Brian is referring to is a Microsoft engineer. This engineer subscribed using a different address, yet sends messages via a different address that’s not subscribed yet.

So you're saying that those who are not members (which is what an incoming e-mail message from a not subscribed address is, in my opinion) is allowed through to post anyway by default?   If so, I find that very, very peculiar.  Why bother with membership/subscribing at all, then?

Of course, the above presumes the individual in question is using the e-mail interface, which I do not.  But I still don't know why he wouldn't show up in a membership search unless he used a different name.  Since there is a "Matt", only "Matt", I am guessing this may be him.

As an aside, I cannot see any way to search the member directory, am I missing something?
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 
     Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

          ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


moderated Re: "Group Reply" button - that's a new one on me

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 07:34 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
The person Brian is referring to is a Microsoft engineer. This engineer subscribed using a different address, yet sends messages via a different address that’s not subscribed yet.
So you're saying that those who are not members (which is what an incoming e-mail message from a not subscribed address is, in my opinion) is allowed through to post anyway by default?   If so, I find that very, very peculiar.  Why bother with membership/subscribing at all, then?

Of course, the above presumes the individual in question is using the e-mail interface, which I do not.  But I still don't know why he wouldn't show up in a membership search unless he used a different name.  Since there is a "Matt", only "Matt", I am guessing this may be him.

As an aside, I cannot see any way to search the member directory, am I missing something?
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 
     Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

          ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


moderated Re: "Group Reply" button - that's a new one on me

 

Hi,

Providing context here:

The person Brian is referring to is a Microsoft engineer. This engineer subscribed using a different address, yet sends messages via a different address that’s not subscribed yet.

One way to get around this is to subscribe the regular email address with permission from this engineer.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 7:23 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] "Group Reply" button - that's a new one on me

 

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:16 am, Mark Fletcher wrote:

There's a group settings checkbox 'Remove Other Reply Options' that if set, if the group is set to Reply to Group, removes the option to reply directly to the sender

But would that not apply "group wide"?   I am getting this only for a single user (at least so far). 

When I go into Admin->Activity  and search on "Matthew van Eerde" I get nothing, yet you can see from the screen shot that this person did exist yesterday.  I would have thought that if the account was closed that something in the Admin->Activity section would indicate that, but I've never used this before.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 
     Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

          ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

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