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moderated Re: Loggin link/forgot password feature broken

 

Hi All,

On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 9:13 AM, Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:
This is a problem if the user has an ad-blocker, as they never get to see the banner and won't know what is going on.

At least that's what happens for me using AdBlock on Chrome. Doing a pause of the ad-blocker allowed me to see the banner and accept it and move on.


That's definitely a problem. Here's what I've done to hopefully fix it.

I no longer display the banner on the login screen. Instead, that text is now part of the page itself. And the act of logging in now (or using the login link/facebook or google logins) acts as acceptance of the cookie policy.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Loggin link/forgot password feature broken

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 08:44 am, Mark Fletcher wrote:
My guess is that this is the issue. We are not allowed to set any cookies until the person accepts the cookie banner on the bottom of the page. So if you try to log in, but that banner is still displayed, we cannot actually log you in. I may be able to figure out a way to display an error message in that case, but I'm not sure yet.
 
Thanks,
Mark
This is a problem if the user has an ad-blocker, as they never get to see the banner and won't know what is going on.

At least that's what happens for me using AdBlock on Chrome. Doing a pause of the ad-blocker allowed me to see the banner and accept it and move on.

--
Gerald


moderated Re: Loggin link/forgot password feature broken

 

On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 8:30 AM, Chris Jones via Groups.Io <chrisjones12@...> wrote:
On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 07:18 am, Michael Chopra wrote:
Hi. I just tried to re-login to my groups.io account, and was unable to do so. It seems to be happening after the site updates today. What is wrong with this?
This might be a function of the need to "Accept Cookies" mentioned by Mark in his GDPR Update post on this forum. When I first tried this morning I found I couldn't log in either, but then I noticed that I was being asked to Accept Cookies, and having clicked on this I was able to log in as normal.


My guess is that this is the issue. We are not allowed to set any cookies until the person accepts the cookie banner on the bottom of the page. So if you try to log in, but that banner is still displayed, we cannot actually log you in. I may be able to figure out a way to display an error message in that case, but I'm not sure yet.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Loggin link/forgot password feature broken

Chris Jones
 

On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 07:18 am, Michael Chopra wrote:
Hi. I just tried to re-login to my groups.io account, and was unable to do so. It seems to be happening after the site updates today. What is wrong with this?
This might be a function of the need to "Accept Cookies" mentioned by Mark in his GDPR Update post on this forum. When I first tried this morning I found I couldn't log in either, but then I noticed that I was being asked to Accept Cookies, and having clicked on this I was able to log in as normal.

I have flagged this up on the Group for which I am a Moderator, but (to my surprise) nobody has felt the need to respond to it.

Chris


moderated Re: Loggin link/forgot password feature broken

Douglas Swearingen <dougiebehr@...>
 

I got the same problem this morning.  I was only able to login after I searched for the group I am owner, clicked on the groups description, then clicked on the option to login if already a member of the group.


This may or may not be a bug, So I will report this to support.


Doug




From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> on behalf of Michael Chopra <michaelchopra38@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 12:00 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: [beta] Loggin link/forgot password feature broken
 
Hi. I just tried to re-login to my groups.io account, and was unable to
do so. It seems to be happening after the site updates today. What is
wrong with this?

Thanks.

 From Michael.





moderated Re: Loggin link/forgot password feature broken

Duane
 

Everything worked fine for me.  Things like this should be reported to support@groups.io.  This group is is intended to discuss new or requested features.

Duane


moderated Loggin link/forgot password feature broken

Michael Chopra
 

Hi. I just tried to re-login to my groups.io account, and was unable to do so. It seems to be happening after the site updates today. What is wrong with this?

Thanks.

From Michael.


moderated Re: How do I switch who is paying for a group?

 

Hi Jennifer,

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 12:46 PM, Jennifer Christian <jhchristian@...> wrote:

I am an owner of several Groups.io groups, three of which are "premium".  I am already being billed and paying the monthly fee for two of them automatically via credit card.   A colleague is paying for the third via her credit card. 

Now I want to take over the responsibility for paying for the third one (ACOEM-WFDSection).  When I go to my Accounts, I do not see an option to add payment for another group that already exists.    

Once you are a moderator or owner of that group, go to the group and look for the Billing tab under the Admin sidebar menu. Click that, and there should be a button to take over paying for that group.

Hope this helps.
Mark 


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • NEW: The website now requires consent for cookies.
  • NEW: Added cookie policy.
  • NEW: Revamped terms of service/privacy policy/about/cookie policy sidebar navigation.
  • BUGFIX: Fixed infinite loop when finding a File path in a specific case.
  • INTERNAL: Made it easier to profile the web servers in production.
  • NEW: Account export lets you specify which groups to export data from, and the export is better broken out by group.
  • SYSADMIN: Added an additional webserver.
  • CHANGE: We now parse a bunch more incorrect Date: header line formats, where the day of the week is spelled out (Monday) and/or the month is spelled out (January).

Have a good weekend everybody.

Mark


moderated Re: GDPR Update

 

Hi,

Notified my groups regarding the Groups.IO notice to be sent soon.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of J_Catlady
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 4:24 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] GDPR Update

 

Haha that’s true! 😁


On May 25, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 02:04 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:

 

And finally, unfortunately, it looks like I need to send out one of those 'our privacy policy has changed' emails to every person registered at Groups.io. I will first do a pass and delete anyone who is not subscribed to a group (or who is only subscribed to updates@). I'm sure you've probably been inundated with a bunch of these emails already, and I don't relish the idea of adding to that pile (and annoying your users), but it has to be done.

 

Thanks,

Mark

Don't worry about it. We've already received so many from various places already that we'd be wondering if something was wrong if we didn't receive one from you.
 
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Gerald


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J

 

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moderated Re: GDPR Update

 

Haha that’s true! 😁


On May 25, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 02:04 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
 
And finally, unfortunately, it looks like I need to send out one of those 'our privacy policy has changed' emails to every person registered at Groups.io. I will first do a pass and delete anyone who is not subscribed to a group (or who is only subscribed to updates@). I'm sure you've probably been inundated with a bunch of these emails already, and I don't relish the idea of adding to that pile (and annoying your users), but it has to be done.
 
Thanks,
Mark
Don't worry about it. We've already received so many from various places already that we'd be wondering if something was wrong if we didn't receive one from you.
 
--
Gerald

--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: GDPR Update

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 02:04 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
 
And finally, unfortunately, it looks like I need to send out one of those 'our privacy policy has changed' emails to every person registered at Groups.io. I will first do a pass and delete anyone who is not subscribed to a group (or who is only subscribed to updates@). I'm sure you've probably been inundated with a bunch of these emails already, and I don't relish the idea of adding to that pile (and annoying your users), but it has to be done.
 
Thanks,
Mark
Don't worry about it. We've already received so many from various places already that we'd be wondering if something was wrong if we didn't receive one from you.
 
--
Gerald


moderated Re: GDPR Update

Sharon Villines
 

On May 25, 2018, at 5:04 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

I'm sure you've probably been inundated with a bunch of these emails already, and I don't relish the idea of adding to that pile (and annoying your users), but it has to be done. I would like all of this to be completed today, but realistically it may be early next week before it's all done.
Take your time. I haven’t figured out a script that will send all of them to my spam folder.

Sharon
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Sharon Villines, Washington DC
"We're only the light bulbs, and our job is just to remain screwed in.” Bishop Desmond Tutu


moderated GDPR Update

 

Hi All,

I've gotten a dump of feedback from my lawyers, and am working through the changes required. Here's a summary:

- The website will have one of those 'This site uses cookies' banners at the bottom that you will need to acknowledge. Once you acknowledge it, that will be stored in your user record so you should never ever see it again.
- There will be a new cookie policy.
- There will be updates to the privacy policy.
- There will be additional legalese when registering on the site.

And finally, unfortunately, it looks like I need to send out one of those 'our privacy policy has changed' emails to every person registered at Groups.io. I will first do a pass and delete anyone who is not subscribed to a group (or who is only subscribed to updates@). I'm sure you've probably been inundated with a bunch of these emails already, and I don't relish the idea of adding to that pile (and annoying your users), but it has to be done.

I would like all of this to be completed today, but realistically it may be early next week before it's all done.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated How do I switch who is paying for a group?

Jennifer Christian
 

Hi, all -

I am an owner of several Groups.io groups, three of which are "premium".  I am already being billed and paying the monthly fee for two of them automatically via credit card.   A colleague is paying for the third via her credit card. 

Now I want to take over the responsibility for paying for the third one (ACOEM-WFDSection).  When I go to my Accounts, I do not see an option to add payment for another group that already exists.    

I'm probably missing something -- or maybe this is a feature that hasn't been built yet.   Any ideas?

Jennifer Christian


moderated Provide custom notification text when doing direct add to subgroup #suggestion

Dan Hartford
 

#featureRequest.

If someone is already in the MAIN subgroup, when I add them to a subgroup they just get the Groups.IO provided boiler plate email.  There does not seem to be a Notice template for the email they receive. 

REQUEST: Please use the the "Direct Add" notice type provided in the subgroup settings when adding a new person to the subgroup with the Direct Add feature.

Thanks -- Dan


moderated Re: Account export and GDPR update

Marina
 

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 09:57 am, Mark Fletcher wrote:


I don't think that speculation about what Groups.io has to do for GDPR is
productive. I have been told by my lawyers that I will not have to remove
messages posted from someone as part of their right to be forgotten.
Thank you, Mark. Sorry, I didn't mean to spark a new discussion on GDPR here, just suggested a bulk remove option which could be uself to moderators/owners.
All the best,
Marina


moderated Re: Accessibility Related: "Dropdown Links" on Groups.io Main Page

Sarah k Alawami
 

Right.  I think for example when I hear link and I click it, it does say expanded and stuff. I have no idea if voiceover is reading the aria tag or what not.  I'm not on my windows machine right now to test so right now I cannot comment any further. 

Here is though a small demo attached via a link of waht I see with groups.io and voiceover. I did not do a screen cap as i'm way too lazy right now and I'm just a bit tired and my computer is having issues. Lol!


Blessings and happy Thursday.

On May 24, 2018, at 7:17 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Sarah,

         If you're using Voiceover then you're on a Mac and in "a different word" from Andre and myself.  Different screen readers in the same OS ecosystem, e.g., JAWS and NVDA, are behaving slightly differently so it's no shock that another screen reader in an entirely different OS ecosystem is doing something else again.

         What I was trying to explain, which is coming from someone who's sighted, is that I don't think something that functions as a dropdown is "fully accessible" unless a screen reader user is aware that this is what it is because the screen reader tells them so.  When I hear, "link, topics," I don't think of it as any different than when I hear, "link, groups.io" in that when I activate either I expect I will be taken to the place announced (or related to the click-through text when someone is using that).  In this case just hearing "link, topic" would give me no idea that it's behaving, in essence, like a menu and you need to expand it (and you don't expand links, at least not to my mind, but I understand why it gets announced that way in this case) to see what your options are.  How on earth would you know this if you were entirely unfamiliar with the page and just navigating around it?  I ask that sincerely since there are always things I'm learning I didn't know before (but if it's tied to Voiceover it will be, for me, of academic interest only as I don't inhabit that world).
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 
     Knowledge consists of a collection of uninspired facts. Wisdom is their artful use.


moderated Re: Accessibility Related: "Dropdown Links" on Groups.io Main Page

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Sarah,

         If you're using Voiceover then you're on a Mac and in "a different word" from Andre and myself.  Different screen readers in the same OS ecosystem, e.g., JAWS and NVDA, are behaving slightly differently so it's no shock that another screen reader in an entirely different OS ecosystem is doing something else again.

         What I was trying to explain, which is coming from someone who's sighted, is that I don't think something that functions as a dropdown is "fully accessible" unless a screen reader user is aware that this is what it is because the screen reader tells them so.  When I hear, "link, topics," I don't think of it as any different than when I hear, "link, groups.io" in that when I activate either I expect I will be taken to the place announced (or related to the click-through text when someone is using that).  In this case just hearing "link, topic" would give me no idea that it's behaving, in essence, like a menu and you need to expand it (and you don't expand links, at least not to my mind, but I understand why it gets announced that way in this case) to see what your options are.  How on earth would you know this if you were entirely unfamiliar with the page and just navigating around it?  I ask that sincerely since there are always things I'm learning I didn't know before (but if it's tied to Voiceover it will be, for me, of academic interest only as I don't inhabit that world).
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 
     Knowledge consists of a collection of uninspired facts. Wisdom is their artful use.


moderated Re: Accessibility Related: "Dropdown Links" on Groups.io Main Page

Sarah k Alawami
 

I actually don't understand what the issue is. For me it's totally accessible. I hit it and vo says expanded I then can filter like you said, I can then just go to where I need to go. I fi arrow away and back to it I hear "expanded: so I just hit space to make it not expanded. Maybe it's just me being used to these things but for me it is not an issue. I've dealt with these kind of things in wordpress and voiceover renders it correctly over here.

On May 24, 2018, at 4:00 PM, Andre Polykanine <@Menelion> wrote:

Brian,
Oops, I'm sorry.
You are absolutely right. Moreover, JAWS (which I use) sees an odd
character (reported as U+F028) and this particular character is the
link, not the word "topics". And yepp, dropdowns are not indicated in
a11y tree.


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With best regards from Ukraine,
Andre
Skype: menelion_elensule
Twitter (English only): @AndrePolykanine


------------ Original message ------------
From: Brian Vogel <@britechguy>
To: main@beta.groups.io
Date created: , 10:21:40 PM
Subject: [beta] Accessibility Related: "Dropdown Links" on Groups.io Main Page


Andre,

We're talking apples and oranges here. I am speaking about the groups.io main page, not the main page for a specific group on groups.io. That is where you do your unmuting of threads you've previously muted via the e-mail interface.

The respective links that act as dropdown triggers for topics and hashtags, respectively, are:

https://groups.io/#messagemenu (topics)

https://groups.io/#tagsmenu (hashtags)

Each of these is announced by NVDA as though it were just a link like any other link, with no indication that it is a control to let you reveal your choices for that category by activating it. When you activate it, NVDA does say expanded, then you need to arrow down to hear the three links that are your choices.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134
Knowledge consists of a collection of uninspired facts. Wisdom is their artful use.