ps Bugs are supposed to be reported to support, not beta.

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That’s a Safari link issue thst Mark is working on fixing. For now, do a right click to open the link in another window or tab, or use a different browser.

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

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When I go to the Hashtag tab, I see the box for each of my hashtags and the edit button seems hot, but when I click on it it goes to the messages under that tag.  It does not open the edit screen?  Where am I going wrong?

Peace,
Tom

Ronaldo wrote:

Groups.io digests strip out the message that is replied to

err..no. it removes everything under the last unindented line, and If I had my way this would be the standard - as it supports traditional quoting in "usenet" and most decent discussion-lists.

I’m not sure what the difference in the end result is. Ideally our users would reply in a format similar to this post but they are either unable to do so or unable to learn. PS, the way the indenting works on the plain text digest (?) the one space indent is not particularly obvious.

If people put their comments/answers UNDER the relevant/respective pieces of quote, there is no problem.

That requires people to adapt to the software and not vice versa. This is the tail wagging the dog.

Is it possible to change
groups.io digests so they mirror Yahoogroups behaviour?

What behaviour do you mean exactly? Sending along the entire message replied to, and the one that replied to, and the one before that?
That would not be practical

That is what Yahoo Groups’ digests do now, so not ‘impractical’. Shal mentioned in another message a limited quote function. The first previous message, or a set number of lines would provide enough context for a non-quoting reply.
i concede that that this does not seem to be a big problem elsewhere but I thought I would ask :)

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Paul Fraser

Shal Farley wrote:

>>Later I proposed a snippet of the quoted message, rather than the whole
quote, might provide sufficient context in the majority of cases. That
is probably simpler to implement than my prior suggestion (so more
likely to be implemented). It would also have the benefit of being
briefer, keeping the Digest more readable.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/2267

That would be a good solution. How do I support this?

>>>> PS I’ve found a way to fudge the issue (by turning on the signature
> block) for all users except those who reply via the web interface
> without quoting the message they are replying to.

>>Hm... That might represent a bug of sorts. You mean the quote detection
fails when there's a trailing sig applied by the group?

If I understand it correctly, this works for allpoting types bar web interface non-quoting replies.
Thanks for your reply.
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On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 07:02 am, Paul Fraser wrote:

Groups.io digests strip out the message that is replied to

err..no. it removes everything under the last unindented line, and If I had my way this would be the standard - as it supports traditional quoting in "usenet" and most decent discussion-lists.

If people put their comments/answers UNDER the relevant/respective pieces of quote, there is no problem.

Is it possible to change
groups.io digests so they mirror Yahoogroups behaviour?

What behaviour do you mean exactly? Sending along the entire message replied to, and the one that replied to, and the one before that?
That would not be practical

groetjes, Ronaldo

https://groups.io/maintenance/index.html

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https://groups.io/maintenance/index.html
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I missed something ... what cat pictures?

Mike Conder

I'm glad Linda said it: this emperor has no clothes. There is just no real problem here. None of the few members who have been removed have complained or asked for an explanation: they click on the resub link or they don't. In some cases, as I've said, I resub them myself if I know they're active members. The incidents are very few and far between.

I don't know exactly how this solution without a problem got started, but I, too, would urge no change.
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I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

Hi Folks,

Occasionally I see a member leave and rejoin. With 2400 members, the
current system seems to be working perfectly. I've never had to explain
what is going on - they get it. Some of them don't learn the first time,
but they "lather, rinse, repeat" all on their own, as it should be. I'm not
looking for additional administrative work. Please don't change a thing.

And for the record, I love the cats!

Linda

Lol

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Paul,

Groups.io digests strip out the message that is replied to, so in our
test group this led to nearly unintelligible digests. Is it possible
to change groups.io digests so they mirror Yahoogroups behaviour?

I've wished for limited quoting in digests. By limited I mean just the direct quote (first-level) and not the quotes that quote drags in. One of the defects of the Y!Group digest is that it can get unreadable when a message quotes a message and that message quoted prior messages, and so on.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/1433

Later I proposed a snippet of the quoted message, rather than the whole quote, might provide sufficient context in the majority of cases. That is probably simpler to implement than my prior suggestion (so more likely to be implemented). It would also have the benefit of being briefer, keeping the Digest more readable.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/2267

PS I’ve found a way to fudge the issue (by turning on the signature
block) for all users except those who reply via the web interface
without quoting the message they are replying to.

Hm... That might represent a bug of sorts. You mean the quote detection fails when there's a trailing sig applied by the group?

“Educating” our users is unlikely to produce the required result.

That is the bane of all email systems. Well, maybe all systems.

Shal

Paul,

Groups.io digests strip out the message that is replied to, so in our
test group this led to nearly unintelligible digests. Is it possible
to change groups.io digests so they mirror Yahoogroups behaviour?

I've wished for limited quoting in digests. By limited I mean just the direct quote (first-level) and not the quotes that quote drags in. One of the defects of the Y!Group digest is that it can get unreadable when a message quotes a message and that message quoted prior messages, and so on.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/1433

Later I proposed a snippet of the quoted message, rather than the whole quote, might provide sufficient context in the majority of cases. That is probably simpler to implement than my prior suggestion (so more likely to be implemented). It would also have the benefit of being briefer, keeping the Digest more readable.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/2267

PS I’ve found a way to fudge the issue (by turning on the signature
block) for all users except those who reply via the web interface
without quoting the message they are replying to.

Hm... That might represent a bug of sorts. You mean the quote detection fails when there's a trailing sig applied by the group?

“Educating” our users is unlikely to produce the required result.

That is the bane of all email systems. Well, maybe all systems.

Shal

Ok, but I thought the list was for purposes of users to check whether or not they might be affected, in which case you’d want to explicitly include those.

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

I am all for plumbers as long as they are without the crack.  As a dog owner, I feel they are perhaps not getting equal time on the downtime. Who do I complain to about that?  why is it all about the cats?   Sigh. Well, they DID rule Egypt and were (rightly) worshipped there. I would never speak against a cat, lest they haunt me or send their fellow cat minions to shred my petunias.    And my cats are telling me to shut up so I guess I am done as I must go feed them immediately,,,   yes dears, on the way dears..

Ro

Actually, I think all of ATT email and Verizon are handled at and by Yahoo.
Doesn't that make you feel wonderful?  I get several kickbacks a week from att.net, pacbell.net, etc both to our hosted domain email and groups.io
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Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation

Of course his original complaint was that as things stand one cannot download the Past members at all - he has to screen-scrape them.

Shal, there is currently no way to download Past members unless one copies each page separately.
And that becomes an ever growing issue.
You idea of adding additional User Status values would handle it nicely.
J, Sorry if I there is a misunderstanding about this.
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Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation

J,

I haven’t been following this thread but would be strongly against
keeping past members in the member list, lumped together with the
current members, if that’s what’s being suggested.

Only in the Download table, not in the displayed lists.

The members who have "Left" or "Spam Left" (or removed by any other means) would be distinguished from active members by one or more of the Status column enumerations.

The idea is that someone who is managing their membership off-site in a spreadsheet or database application would then have a single table in which they could find any member, past or present. For some of the things Bob wanted to track that would be much more convenient than downloading the "Past" members separately.

Of course his original complaint was that as things stand one cannot download the Past members at all - he has to screen-scrape them.

Shal

BTW, someone posted here a link to the GMF wiki page explaining FBL. You might want to add Verizon, Bellsouth and Netscape to the list.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

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