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moderated Re: "Down for maintenance" -- time to grow up...

 

https://groups.io/maintenance/index.html
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moderated Re: "Down for maintenance" -- time to grow up...

Mike Conder
 

I missed something ... what cat pictures?

Mike Conder


moderated Re: AOL problem

 

I'm glad Linda said it: this emperor has no clothes. There is just no real problem here. None of the few members who have been removed have complained or asked for an explanation: they click on the resub link or they don't. In some cases, as I've said, I resub them myself if I know they're active members. The incidents are very few and far between.

I don't know exactly how this solution without a problem got started, but I, too, would urge no change.
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moderated Re: AOL problem

Linda
 

Hi Folks,

Occasionally I see a member leave and rejoin. With 2400 members, the
current system seems to be working perfectly. I've never had to explain
what is going on - they get it. Some of them don't learn the first time,
but they "lather, rinse, repeat" all on their own, as it should be. I'm not
looking for additional administrative work. Please don't change a thing.

And for the record, I love the cats!

Linda


moderated Re: "Down for maintenance" -- time to grow up...

 

Lol


On May 12, 2018, at 2:18 PM, Ro <recarlton@...> wrote:

I am all for plumbers as long as they are without the crack.  As a dog owner, I feel they are perhaps not getting equal time on the downtime. Who do I complain to about that?  why is it all about the cats?   Sigh. Well, they DID rule Egypt and were (rightly) worshipped there. I would never speak against a cat, lest they haunt me or send their fellow cat minions to shred my petunias.    And my cats are telling me to shut up so I guess I am done as I must go feed them immediately,,,   yes dears, on the way dears..

Ro

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moderated Re: Digests do not automatically include the message replied to

 

Paul,

Groups.io digests strip out the message that is replied to, so in our
test group this led to nearly unintelligible digests. Is it possible
to change groups.io digests so they mirror Yahoogroups behaviour?
I've wished for limited quoting in digests. By limited I mean just the direct quote (first-level) and not the quotes that quote drags in. One of the defects of the Y!Group digest is that it can get unreadable when a message quotes a message and that message quoted prior messages, and so on.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/1433

Later I proposed a snippet of the quoted message, rather than the whole quote, might provide sufficient context in the majority of cases. That is probably simpler to implement than my prior suggestion (so more likely to be implemented). It would also have the benefit of being briefer, keeping the Digest more readable.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/2267

PS I’ve found a way to fudge the issue (by turning on the signature
block) for all users except those who reply via the web interface
without quoting the message they are replying to.
Hm... That might represent a bug of sorts. You mean the quote detection fails when there's a trailing sig applied by the group?

“Educating” our users is unlikely to produce the required result.
That is the bane of all email systems. Well, maybe all systems.

Shal


moderated Re: Digests do not automatically include the message replied to

 

Paul,

Groups.io digests strip out the message that is replied to, so in our
test group this led to nearly unintelligible digests. Is it possible
to change groups.io digests so they mirror Yahoogroups behaviour?
I've wished for limited quoting in digests. By limited I mean just the direct quote (first-level) and not the quotes that quote drags in. One of the defects of the Y!Group digest is that it can get unreadable when a message quotes a message and that message quoted prior messages, and so on.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/1433

Later I proposed a snippet of the quoted message, rather than the whole quote, might provide sufficient context in the majority of cases. That is probably simpler to implement than my prior suggestion (so more likely to be implemented). It would also have the benefit of being briefer, keeping the Digest more readable.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/2267

PS I’ve found a way to fudge the issue (by turning on the signature
block) for all users except those who reply via the web interface
without quoting the message they are replying to.
Hm... That might represent a bug of sorts. You mean the quote detection fails when there's a trailing sig applied by the group?

“Educating” our users is unlikely to produce the required result.
That is the bane of all email systems. Well, maybe all systems.

Shal


moderated Re: AOL problem

 

Ok, but I thought the list was for purposes of users to check whether or not they might be affected, in which case you’d want to explicitly include those.


On May 12, 2018, at 1:40 PM, Bob Bellizzi <cdfexec@...> wrote:

Actually, I think all of ATT email and Verizon are handled at and by Yahoo.
Doesn't that make you feel wonderful?  I get several kickbacks a week from att.net, pacbell.net, etc both to our hosted domain email and groups.io
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moderated Re: "Down for maintenance" -- time to grow up...

Ro
 

I am all for plumbers as long as they are without the crack.  As a dog owner, I feel they are perhaps not getting equal time on the downtime. Who do I complain to about that?  why is it all about the cats?   Sigh. Well, they DID rule Egypt and were (rightly) worshipped there. I would never speak against a cat, lest they haunt me or send their fellow cat minions to shred my petunias.    And my cats are telling me to shut up so I guess I am done as I must go feed them immediately,,,   yes dears, on the way dears..

Ro


moderated Re: AOL problem

Bob Bellizzi
 

Actually, I think all of ATT email and Verizon are handled at and by Yahoo.
Doesn't that make you feel wonderful?  I get several kickbacks a week from att.net, pacbell.net, etc both to our hosted domain email and groups.io
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moderated Re: Download Members only works on Members

Bob Bellizzi
 

Of course his original complaint was that as things stand one cannot download the Past members at all - he has to screen-scrape them.
Shal, there is currently no way to download Past members unless one copies each page separately.
And that becomes an ever growing issue.
You idea of adding additional User Status values would handle it nicely.
J, Sorry if I there is a misunderstanding about this.
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moderated Re: Download Members only works on Members

 

J,

I haven’t been following this thread but would be strongly against
keeping past members in the member list, lumped together with the
current members, if that’s what’s being suggested.
Only in the Download table, not in the displayed lists.

The members who have "Left" or "Spam Left" (or removed by any other means) would be distinguished from active members by one or more of the Status column enumerations.

The idea is that someone who is managing their membership off-site in a spreadsheet or database application would then have a single table in which they could find any member, past or present. For some of the things Bob wanted to track that would be much more convenient than downloading the "Past" members separately.

Of course his original complaint was that as things stand one cannot download the Past members at all - he has to screen-scrape them.

Shal


moderated Re: AOL problem

 

BTW, someone posted here a link to the GMF wiki page explaining FBL. You might want to add Verizon, Bellsouth and Netscape to the list.
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moderated Re: AOL problem

 

On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 07:05 am, Shal Farley wrote:
I posit that leaving the subscription intact will reduce the intensity of those reactions and will reduce the sense of urgency in "fixing" the problem. Both of those can go a long way to improving member comprehension and willingness to learn.
Shal,

I think that's a real stretch but it's a remarkable try. I see why your calling is sales. ;)
 
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moderated Photos - Search and Order

Jim Betz
 

Hi,

  As an owner/moderator of several groups and a member of 3 or 4 times as
many ... I'm finding the Photos section to be difficult to use/manage.  I'm
talking about the way that Photos is organized by Alphabetical order and
does not have any other options.

  When you have time - please add both the ability to change the order
                                      of the albums (Date).
                                    - and please add the ability to search photos by a
                                      name -or- date By Photo Name.

  For all searches please add (if it isn't already there) the ability to
use wildcards such as *find*.txt" that will return all instances of
the string "find" followed by the string "txt".  Example only.

                                                  - thanks for considering this ... Jim B.


moderated Re: Download Members only works on Members

 

I’m just seeing this now and am not  sure why I’m mentioned in it, except that I’d wanted symmetry between available info about past vs banned members. I haven’t been following this thread but would be strongly against keeping past members in the member list, lumped together with the current members, if that’s what’s being suggested.


On May 12, 2018, at 11:35 AM, Bob Bellizzi <cdfexec@...> wrote:

On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 07:36 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
For that wouldn't you need an export of the Activity log instead? Or in a Premium group does the "Past" list make that distinction (Left vs. Spam Left)? - I don't have any examples of Spam Left in my one Premium group.
That would work except the Past members do not exist in the Download and, to date, I have no inactive members out of almost 3500.
And if so, perhaps the better solution would be to make that information additional enumerations of the "Status" and/or "User Status" fields of the export.

Hmm, speaking of which, I wonder what the User Status "2=Inactive" means. Again no examples in my Premium group.
I think that keeping them within the cover of Members would be a good idea with Left & Spam Left status indicators.
I think that would also make J a little bit more happy because then all past & present member's could be managed and analyzed at the within the same data set offline with a single download.
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moderated Re: Download Members only works on Members

Bob Bellizzi
 

On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 07:36 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
For that wouldn't you need an export of the Activity log instead? Or in a Premium group does the "Past" list make that distinction (Left vs. Spam Left)? - I don't have any examples of Spam Left in my one Premium group.
That would work except the Past members do not exist in the Download and, to date, I have no inactive members out of almost 3500.
And if so, perhaps the better solution would be to make that information additional enumerations of the "Status" and/or "User Status" fields of the export.

Hmm, speaking of which, I wonder what the User Status "2=Inactive" means. Again no examples in my Premium group.
I think that keeping them within the cover of Members would be a good idea with Left & Spam Left status indicators.
I think that would also make J a little bit more happy because then all past & present member's could be managed and analyzed at the within the same data set offline with a single download.
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Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: "Down for maintenance" -- time to grow up...

Bob Bellizzi
 

On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 07:38 pm, D R Stinson wrote:
If you really need everything your way, perhaps you need to pay the money to become an enterprise group so you can control everything. As for myself, I have two paid groups and feel that what I pay is quite reasonable for the added storage and additional owner abilities. I accept groups.io's unique little quirks and am in no rush to see the individuality of the site be lost. I'd much rather see the development continue that was pushed aside while those people who stayed on other systems to the bitter end were rescued.
Amen brother.  Articles I found state that the average  AOL charge per member is 20.03 per month and 2.58 million people actually pay.  Essentially that's their entre to the internet and everything on it.  If one considers it necessary to access the internet and pays that amount it's an admission of necessity.

Same here.  If one wishes to have exactly what they want on groups.io, they are saying that their group is an important mission to them.
If that's true and you are the owner doesn't it make sense to invest in it as a necessary expense?  A lousy $10 peer month is half of AOL's average member cost.

Thank you for your frankness.  If I'm getting it free, I consider the giver as a benefactor and never bite the hand giving the free handout; We operated free for several months and Mark was totally responsive to reasonable requests backed up by sufficient info and after discussion at Beta.

I'm from Brooklyn.  My motto is "Lead, follow or get outta my way" but I am never, never rude to my landlord when I ask him for a favor or free perk.  Actually whether I pay for it or not.
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moderated Re: "Down for maintenance" -- time to grow up...

 

On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 06:53 pm, Bruce Bowman wrote:
I could elaborate on the consequences of doing otherwise, but I don't think I really need to.

That's right, it's not needed. Mark has proven that he is an astute businessperson who does not need a lecture from any of us on the "consequences" of removing his adorable cat pix. :-)  
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moderated Re: "Down for maintenance" -- time to grow up...

 

On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 09:06 am, Helen wrote:
The world would be a better place if other parts of it were run as efficiently as groups.io.
Amen.
 
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