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moderated Re: Spam Email Addresses!

 

From: "Bob Edenhofer" <bob.edenhofer@...>
I've had 2 
email addresses that were spam, subscribe to my windows10discuss list
with in one week.
You are the group owner, it's your (and your other moderators' if any) job
to moderate subscriptions and/or messages. Nobody else will do this job for you.


moderated Spam Email Addresses!

Bob Edenhofer <bob.edenhofer@...>
 

Hi Mark Fletcher? there seems to be issues on your website, I've had 2  email addresses that were spam, subscribe to my windows10discuss list with in one week.

Would you be able to investagate this matter? Thank you so verry kindly, I greatly appreciate it.

--
Bob Edenhofer, developer for NVAccess!


moderated Re: see past activity from "removed" as well as "banned" members (premium groups) #suggestion

 

Mark,

Something is still weird. You can link directly to the complete member page of a banned member from an entry in the group activity log dealing with that member, but not to a past member. Clicking on the past member in the log entry takes you to the member list, whereas clicking on a banned member takes you to the original member page.

So still, it seems there is more access to the past activity of banned members than there is to simply past members, and I am again tempted to ban everyone so that I have this easy access. Can this be made more symmetric?
--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated RSVP features #suggestion

Southenders Admin
 

For those who have a premium account, I’m hoping that we can export a list of attendees that also shows how many guests they are bringing. The present download only gives name. 
It would also help to have a time stamp available on the download, for those events where the maximum attendees is exceeded.

speaking of which, it would be great to know how the site handles events where we need a waiting list.

Since there’s no documentation on this, I would have to create a trial event and oversubscribe it to find the answer.


moderated Re: Business models was Re: [beta] Make Basic level accounts paid

Bob Bellizzi
 

Paypal even works well with any shopping cart. Most ot our donors use PayPal even though they don't have an account.  Some of them utilize it for recurring donations which Paypal nicely handles.
But, as I said the majority aren't and don't need to be Paypal account members.
Moderate away!
--

Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

 

All,

I am moderating this topic. Unless your post demonstrates that you know what I've already said on this subject in this thread, and adds to the conversation, it will be deleted without comment.

Thanks.

Going back on vacation, Mark (not grumpy, just disappointed in the unfounded fear some have and have spread)


moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

 

Also Mark said he's not planning on doing anything. 

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 8:15 AM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Jerome,
Just stay. As Shal has said, eliminating free groups is not even on the table. This whole discussion went wacko.

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 4:37 AM, Jerome Kutche <n9lya@...> wrote:
Like I stated before..
I am not a company 

No money changes hands for what we do it would be illegal.. Against the FCC rules.
But paying if we must maybe.. But most likely I would just drop Groups.io
I was invited for a free acct. To charge for that would be a bit rude.
I dropped Yahoo to move here.. Anything would most likely cause a group with well over 3500 Members to disappear.

Nuff said its now up to Mark do I stay or do I go... 



--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu



--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

 

Jerome,
Just stay. As Shal has said, eliminating free groups is not even on the table. This whole discussion went wacko.

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 4:37 AM, Jerome Kutche <n9lya@...> wrote:
Like I stated before..
I am not a company 

No money changes hands for what we do it would be illegal.. Against the FCC rules.
But paying if we must maybe.. But most likely I would just drop Groups.io
I was invited for a free acct. To charge for that would be a bit rude.
I dropped Yahoo to move here.. Anything would most likely cause a group with well over 3500 Members to disappear.

Nuff said its now up to Mark do I stay or do I go... 



--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

Jerome Kutche
 

Like I stated before..
I am not a company 

No money changes hands for what we do it would be illegal.. Against the FCC rules.
But paying if we must maybe.. But most likely I would just drop Groups.io
I was invited for a free acct. To charge for that would be a bit rude.
I dropped Yahoo to move here.. Anything would most likely cause a group with well over 3500 Members to disappear.

Nuff said its now up to Mark do I stay or do I go... 


moderated Re: Icon upgrades

Ginny T.
 

Are we the only ones missing the attachment icon? And I did a hard reload...
Thanks,
Ginny
--
Ginny T.  gttemari21@...
========
TemariKai.com


moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

toki
 

On 04/24/2018 06:37 PM, Randy Thomson via Groups.Io wrote:

for the board of directors (17 Group members) of a small (currently under 50
members) non-profit with a very low budget, if I had had to pay to move to
Groups.IO offers 501(c)(3) organizations a discount.
What Mark would do if a non-profit from Canada, England, or elsewhere
requested the discount, is up to him.

If the applicant were IKEA, I'd hope he'd charge them full commercial
rates.(How they manage to maintain their non-profit status is a mystery
to me.)

OTOH, if it was _St John's Ambulance_ - let them have the non-profit
discount.

jonathon


moderated Re: free accounts

 

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 03:15 pm, toki wrote:
Hint: Neither FaceBook nor YahooGroups are his competitors.
All of this sounds right. 
Who are the competitors???
 
--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: free accounts

toki
 

On 04/24/2018 10:19 PM, Barbara Byers wrote:

It is that the paying groups are subsidizing the free basic ones.
What you are missing is how Mark views the different plans:
* Free groups are his marketing tools;
* Premium groups pay the rent;
* Enterprise groups provide the profit;

He's got a couple of Enterprise customers, who are very happy with his
services. Those are the customers that might be subsidizing the rest of
the groups.

In running a cost/feature comparison between Groups.IO, and his major
competitors, it looks like the Enterprise customers are the ones who are
being subsidized.

Hint: Neither FaceBook nor YahooGroups are his competitors.

jonathon


moderated Business models was Re: [beta] Make Basic level accounts paid

Christopher Hallsworth <challsworth2@...>
 

Dear all,

Speaking of business models, I propose to you support for paying for advanced account level access via Paypal, including the option to set it up as a preapproved payment. This way, users do not have to have their credit/debit card on file but their Paypal account instead, should support for preapproved payments come into force.

On 25 Apr 2018, at 05:28, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

This thread happened while I was on various planes.

I am totally fine with business model discussions, and there have been some interesting ideas discussed here, but these topics do tend to generate unfounded rumors and cause stress, which I’m unfortunately already seeing.

So, there is no need to delete your accounts! I’m not making any changes right now(i’m on vacation, and jet lagged!) If I ever do make any changes they will be discussed and telegraphed ahead of time. Remember, I didn’t start this thread.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

Marina
 

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 08:22 am, Barbara Byers wrote:


I totally disagree on charging for every level. You've gotten all these
groups to come over with the promise of free service, and then you're
going to take it back? I just don't think that is a great idea. The
hurdle of paying anything is kind of a big one for many groups who are
just social or volunteer.s
I agree with Barbara. I moved my Yahoo group here because the basic level of Groups.io was free. Otherwise, I would have made a different choice and moved elsewhere. My group has always been run for free, on a voluntary basis and I don't want to start charging my members now.
If the basic level has too many features to be sustainable in the long run (actually, this was one of my main concerns when thinking about moving), my group members and I would be happy even with a simpler version.

Marina


moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

Jerome Kutche
 

Bob Bellizzi

 

Gutter language, Explain please. If Put Offish or the word Screwy offends.. Grow some think skin.

When were…

 

It was fast becoming a good runner up for Facebook.

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Bellizzi
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 7:43 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Make Basic level accounts paid

 

Please,  Jerome Kutche,
Keep the gutter language off this group.  
This isn't Facebook
--

Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

 

Paul,

My suggestion was that the current features included in the Basic level account are worthy of being paid, so making these features paid would be a good way to motivate me to becoming a paying customer, rather than adding new features or making other features cheaper.

There's always customer push-back to taking features away (which making them paid features effectively does when the feature was formerly included in your plan). For any given feature you choose to make paid, there will be a certain number of groups for which that was the "indispensable" feature, yet (for whatever reason) the group can't bring itself to pay for it. And there's a certain amount of "friction" to having too many choices - more work to implement and maintain, and more confusing to customers. What I'm saying is that the cost/benefit evaluation for splitting off any given feature would not be a simple one.

For example, there was an earlier conversation about having ala carte options for groups to buy additional storage space, without changing plan (or other features). I'm not sure what Mark's thoughts on that were, but I note that it hasn't happened. Yes, I know add-ons are not what you asked for, but it seems related to to the concept of having finer-grained choices than just Basic, Premium, and Enterprise.

Shal


moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

Ellen Moody
 

Thank you to Shal for this explanation and also J_Catlady.  There has been much misunderstanding in this thread. I withdraw my comment.  For myself I want to stay but I feel as list moderator I made a decision for these groups so worried about it like some hen with chicks ....

Ellen, off to sleep now

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 12:23 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Michael,

same here, if we have to pay for basic service, consider me gone.

That's not on the table, it is only in the imaginings of some members posting here.

Mark has committed to the "Freemium" business model, where the Basic groups are free, subsidized by the Premium and Enterprise groups. He's also rejected the idea of being ad-supported, and all the intrusiveness and tracking that too often goes with that model.

Shal



moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

 

Hi All,

This thread happened while I was on various planes.

I am totally fine with business model discussions, and there have been some interesting ideas discussed here, but these topics do tend to generate unfounded rumors and cause stress, which I’m unfortunately already seeing.

So, there is no need to delete your accounts! I’m not making any changes right now(i’m on vacation, and jet lagged!) If I ever do make any changes they will be discussed and telegraphed ahead of time. Remember, I didn’t start this thread.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

 

Michael,

same here, if we have to pay for basic service, consider me gone.

That's not on the table, it is only in the imaginings of some members posting here.

Mark has committed to the "Freemium" business model, where the Basic groups are free, subsidized by the Premium and Enterprise groups. He's also rejected the idea of being ad-supported, and all the intrusiveness and tracking that too often goes with that model.

Shal