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moderated Re: free accounts

 

Well the goal for a paid product isn't to gripe over the fact that you
want to pay for it or not. This is why I'm against things being
offered for free. People lose focus or sight of what they wish the
group to be for all because of a number.
I've seen countless people shy away from what they truly want, or even
think they want to try because of money. It saddens me to think people
expect everything for free. It's costing Mark money in bandwidth,
servers, hosting, IP addresses, email programs, just to withstand
groups.io itself. and the more people who use the service, no matter
how much money it is, the more the cost goes up for him. It's not fair
for him to have to ask people to cover a bill he might not expect to
get.
Because the outside world away from the internet is a paid world, with
no option of whether things ought to be free or not. Paid products get
the majority of the attention. Unless you cannot afford to pay money
for anything. Only then can you target a majority. Singular group of
users who refuse to, cannot, or will not pay money towards a product.
Craig's List for example operates on such a principle. Buyer beware in
other words. It might be crap. It might be decent. And it might be
something to knock your socks off as it's so fantastic. But
regardless, groups.io is not a service to sell something. it's a
service to gain or benefit from communication tools.
Everyone pays to communicate. You pay the internet company to keep
your internet online. You pay your phone service. You pay your
television provider, your satellite service. And you can pay for
groups.io. Nobody is saying leave based on any kind of racial,
financial or otherwise segregative scenario. It's just because if
nobody paid, the bill would rest on either one of three (3) scenarios.
1. Angel investors.
2. Out of pocket expenses by the developer.
3. Nobody.
If nobody paid, you know how quick nobody would be able to use groups.io at all?
If angel Investors had control, it would work for a little while. But
soon the funds would run out.
Mark would have to make a lot of money to keep paying for the service
just to keep the connection online.
this is why I say to everyone. Free models work if you have enough
money to cover the balance. As an independent service, this can't be
the case for ever because of the costs involved in connecting computer
with server.
I'm just trying to think of long term goals that are consistent,
stable and just work. You know who came up with such a resource?
Posthaven. And it's worked for them.
I want this product to thrive. but I also think it can only do that if
regardless of who pays money, people use it to communicate ideas. Not
problems.

On 4/24/18, Jerome Kutche <n9lya@nwcable.net> wrote:
I am group owner of a Raspberry Pi for Ham Radio Group.. It is a relatively
large group. But it is all for a Hobby.. Ham Radio and Raspberry Pis. If had
to pay for it. I might be inclined too, then I might not be… Its only a
Hobby…

So if we had to have some dumbed down free version.. it would mean looking
at changes and what was taken away. What is the cost involved to keep it at
a paid level. Is it worth it to me… What do you get for your $$$ Do I want
to leave all 3000+ Members in the dark. Should I have really left Yahoo and
came here or was that in reality a bad choice?



Just saying a lot to consider.. I have just went thru and deleted several
Minor Groups I have no interest in paying for. Only had 2 members anyway..
lol They were futile.. at best.



Moving to Groups.io was nice and easy and appreciated.. Just remember this
for me is an extension of our Hobby…

Depends on costs vs benefits…



With that said.. I may Pay something… Just depends..

73 Jerry



Just my 2 ¢







From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of jamie
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 1:06 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: [beta] free accounts



hi all

i think there should be free accounts still for people with disabilities who
need online friendships or use groups.io as ahobbie who like to make groups
for friends so i voat yes for free accounts still

chat soon jamie



From: main@beta.groups.io <mailto:main@beta.groups.io>
[mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of J_Catlady
Sent: 24 April 2018 17:57
To: main@beta.groups.io <mailto:main@beta.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [beta] Make Basic level accounts paid



On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 09:37 am, Bruce Bowman wrote:

in my opinion Mark is already giving away too much

That's possible. I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea to cut down on
the functionality in the free version. But I think there should always be a
free version, if for no other purpose than to lure new people in (should I
say, less cynically, "build new relationships"?) and build trust with them.

--
J



Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu




moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

kr402
 

😊 


moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

 

Exactly. Home run.


On Apr 24, 2018, at 2:38 PM, kr402 via Groups.Io <kr402@...> wrote:

I see nothing from Mark that this is the intent. 

free basic service is what gets most in the door.

many would never consider a company for their 
group if their is a charge for all groups. you have 
no way to know before starting your group if the 
service is as good as groups.io or as bad as ygroups 
have become. 

If you want to support groups.io financially, 
give a donation. 


--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

kr402
 

I see nothing from Mark that this is the intent. 

free basic service is what gets most in the door.

many would never consider a company for their 
group if their is a charge for all groups. you have 
no way to know before starting your group if the 
service is as good as groups.io or as bad as ygroups 
have become. 

If you want to support groups.io financially, 
give a donation. 


moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

Jerome Kutche
 

I agree with that… But to remove features unless someone pays now for an established group.. Well that sounds screwy…

 

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul W. Rankin
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 12:10 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Make Basic level accounts paid

 

Thanks for all the responses. I would like to reiterate that the original suggestion is not to eliminate a free tier, only that the current Basic level offers more than enough value to the user to be paid.


moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

Jerome Kutche
 

I would not be against something like ads on the site.. Especially if it benefitted MARKs efforts..

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steph Mathews
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 4:09 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Make Basic level accounts paid

 

I am totally against basic members giving monthly payments regardless of the cost.  Some people might not be able afford even $1 a month.

 

If money is an issues, my suggestion would be maybe finding sponsors.

 

Have a blessed day! Steph

 

From: Armando
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 2:22 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Make Basic level accounts paid

 

I totally disagree with paying $1 a month on the basic groups.io service. This is because this service always receive updates and is always maintenanced, while other services such as Google Groups/Yahoo Groups are sooooooooooooooooo outdated. Without the advantages of the Groups.io services, such as RSS Feed integration, I would have to manually send out my newsletter to my group. I agree on the donation part though.

 

--

Armando L. Vias

Student

Founder | Blindness Awareness and More

Website: www.blindnessawarenessandmoreblog.wordpress.com

Facebook: www.facebook.com/baamoreblog

Twitter: www.twitter.com/baamoreblog

Blindness Awareness and More Feedback Line: (724) 964-2111

Blindness Awareness and More Email Address: blindnessawarenessandmore@...

 

> On Apr 24, 2018, at 8:54 AM, Paul W. Rankin <paul@...> wrote:

>

> HI Mark,

>

> I'm a big believer in paying for the web services I use. I tend to agree with this (archived) post from the Pinboard blog: https://web.archive.org/web/20120921032442/https://blog.pinboard.in/2011/12/don_t_be_a_free_user/ and related Hacker News: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13449875. And there's evidence that paying users appreciate the product they pay for more than free users.

>

> Looking at the plans, the Basic level offers so much that I'm really surprised it's offered for free, but then looking at the Premium feature set, there's nothing there that I really want. I'd like to use my own domain, but mostly out of vanity, which is not enough to prompt me to go Enterprise (which is actually far too expensive for me). I'd like to pay for Groups.io but at the current pricing levels I don't have much motivation to do so.

>

> I saw your note regarding increasing revenue: https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/16791. IMHO the most obvious and easiest way to do this is to charge for Basic level accounts. If the Basic level cost something like $3/month or $30/year this would be an easy decision, and I'd be very skeptical of anyone who says they couldn't/wouldn't pay that to maintain their group.

>

> (This said, I also understand that people do run open source projects or volunteer groups where any expenditure becomes a sticking point, so I'd suggest there's still a space for a public-only free accounts that lack some/most of the features in Basic.)

>

> Paul

>

>

>

 

 

 


moderated Re: free accounts

Jerome Kutche
 

I disagree with your assessment.. Assuming, we would not be willing to pay for it, is because we are poor is a bit insulting..

-----Original Message-----
From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Elshara Silverheart
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 3:48 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] free accounts

I understand your concern.
For people who are on low, fixed income or who just want to budget their resources, free groups should exist. So long as the group is honoring such a service or about such a service.
If someone says they're on disability but starts a group for a service lots of members make good money at. Such as construction work. Or office support. I could kind of see how the paid model would be a better fit for the groups sake.

On 4/24/18, jamie <jaimemcgill27@gmail.com> wrote:
hi all

i think there should be free accounts still for people with
disabilities who need online friendships or use groups.io as ahobbie
who like to make groups for friends so i voat yes for free accounts
still

chat soon jamie



From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of
J_Catlady
Sent: 24 April 2018 17:57
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Make Basic level accounts paid



On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 09:37 am, Bruce Bowman wrote:

in my opinion Mark is already giving away too much

That's possible. I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea to cut down
on the functionality in the free version. But I think there should
always be a free version, if for no other purpose than to lure new
people in (should I say, less cynically, "build new relationships"?) and build trust with them.

--
J



Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu




moderated Re: free accounts

Jerome Kutche
 

I am group owner of a Raspberry Pi for Ham Radio Group.. It is a relatively large group. But it is all for a Hobby.. Ham Radio and Raspberry Pis. If had to pay for it. I might be inclined too, then I might not be… Its only a Hobby…

So if we had to have some dumbed down free version.. it would mean looking at changes and what was taken away. What is the cost involved to keep it at a paid level. Is it worth it to me… What do you get for your $$$ Do I want to leave all 3000+ Members in the dark. Should I have really left Yahoo and came here or was that in reality a bad choice?

 

Just saying a lot to consider.. I have just went thru and deleted several Minor Groups I have no interest in paying for.  Only had 2 members anyway.. lol They were futile.. at best.

 

Moving to Groups.io was nice and easy and appreciated.. Just remember this for me is an extension of our Hobby…

Depends on costs vs benefits… 

 

With that said.. I may Pay something… Just depends..

73 Jerry

 

Just my 2 ¢

 

 

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of jamie
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 1:06 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: [beta] free accounts

 

hi all

i think there should be free accounts still for people with disabilities who need online friendships or use groups.io as ahobbie who like to make groups for friends so i voat yes for free accounts still

chat soon jamie

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of J_Catlady
Sent: 24 April 2018 17:57
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Make Basic level accounts paid

 

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 09:37 am, Bruce Bowman wrote:

in my opinion Mark is already giving away too much

That's possible. I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea to cut down on the functionality in the free version. But I think there should always be a free version, if for no other purpose than to lure new people in (should I say, less cynically, "build new relationships"?) and build trust with them.
 
--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

Paul W. Rankin <paul@...>
 

Thanks for all the responses. I would like to reiterate that the original suggestion is not to eliminate a free tier, only that the current Basic level offers more than enough value to the user to be paid.


moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

Steph Mathews
 

I am totally against basic members giving monthly payments regardless of the cost.  Some people might not be able afford even $1 a month.

 

If money is an issues, my suggestion would be maybe finding sponsors.

 

Have a blessed day! Steph

 

From: Armando
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 2:22 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Make Basic level accounts paid

 

I totally disagree with paying $1 a month on the basic groups.io service. This is because this service always receive updates and is always maintenanced, while other services such as Google Groups/Yahoo Groups are sooooooooooooooooo outdated. Without the advantages of the Groups.io services, such as RSS Feed integration, I would have to manually send out my newsletter to my group. I agree on the donation part though.

 

--

Armando L. Vias

Student

Founder | Blindness Awareness and More

Website: www.blindnessawarenessandmoreblog.wordpress.com

Facebook: www.facebook.com/baamoreblog

Twitter: www.twitter.com/baamoreblog

Blindness Awareness and More Feedback Line: (724) 964-2111

Blindness Awareness and More Email Address: blindnessawarenessandmore@...

 

> On Apr 24, 2018, at 8:54 AM, Paul W. Rankin <paul@...> wrote:

>

> HI Mark,

>

> I'm a big believer in paying for the web services I use. I tend to agree with this (archived) post from the Pinboard blog: https://web.archive.org/web/20120921032442/https://blog.pinboard.in/2011/12/don_t_be_a_free_user/ and related Hacker News: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13449875. And there's evidence that paying users appreciate the product they pay for more than free users.

>

> Looking at the plans, the Basic level offers so much that I'm really surprised it's offered for free, but then looking at the Premium feature set, there's nothing there that I really want. I'd like to use my own domain, but mostly out of vanity, which is not enough to prompt me to go Enterprise (which is actually far too expensive for me). I'd like to pay for Groups.io but at the current pricing levels I don't have much motivation to do so.

>

> I saw your note regarding increasing revenue: https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/16791. IMHO the most obvious and easiest way to do this is to charge for Basic level accounts. If the Basic level cost something like $3/month or $30/year this would be an easy decision, and I'd be very skeptical of anyone who says they couldn't/wouldn't pay that to maintain their group.

>

> (This said, I also understand that people do run open source projects or volunteer groups where any expenditure becomes a sticking point, so I'd suggest there's still a space for a public-only free accounts that lack some/most of the features in Basic.)

>

> Paul

>

>

>

 

 

 


moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

Sue
 

>There will always be a place for the free, entry-level option, but in my opinion Mark is already giving away too much. 

 

Mark has certainly been generous with his features. In my group which is small and hobby related, we don’t need or use many of the features but were Mark to consider some of the suggestions made here and cut down on the options in the free version, it might well be hard to reach any sort of consensus as to what should be lost (whilst always remembering that the ultimate decisions would be Mark’s). 

 

I think there would always be a need to have a free version to capture those groups that have been used to free at Yahoo. I found Groups io when searching for somewhere to move our group and had it not been free I would have moved on in my search – and in doing so missed out on the excellent service Mark provides. The rock bottom, fundamental selling point of Groups io is that it works!  I created my group over two years ago and it is still such a pleasure to just click a button and have it work, but convincing somebody of the vast difference between here and Yahoo would be hard if they had to pay to find out the truth of it.  At the very least, there should be a trial period so people could test it for themselves.

 

Having already said we use very few of the features, I would add that therefore we have no need of the premium version and I don’t think asking for donations to keep our group going would work. I would, however, support the option to make optional, ad hoc payments. I’ve done that before for free programmes that I’ve been particularly impressed with and would happily do it here as well.

 

Sue


moderated Re: free accounts

 

I understand your concern.
For people who are on low, fixed income or who just want to budget
their resources, free groups should exist. So long as the group is
honoring such a service or about such a service.
If someone says they're on disability but starts a group for a service
lots of members make good money at. Such as construction work. Or
office support. I could kind of see how the paid model would be a
better fit for the groups sake.

On 4/24/18, jamie <jaimemcgill27@gmail.com> wrote:
hi all

i think there should be free accounts still for people with disabilities who
need online friendships or use groups.io as ahobbie who like to make groups
for friends so i voat yes for free accounts still

chat soon jamie



From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of
J_Catlady
Sent: 24 April 2018 17:57
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Make Basic level accounts paid



On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 09:37 am, Bruce Bowman wrote:

in my opinion Mark is already giving away too much

That's possible. I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea to cut down on
the functionality in the free version. But I think there should always be a
free version, if for no other purpose than to lure new people in (should I
say, less cynically, "build new relationships"?) and build trust with them.

--
J



Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu




moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

Sarah k Alawami
 

I tried that wiht my podcast and for me that did not work. I got a bunch of emails saying, can I have this for free and that for free etc? Then I lost about half of my subscribers. This after 12 years by the way of podcasting. So this is a hard battle.

On Apr 24, 2018, at 6:37 AM, Elshara Silverheart <joshbrn004@...> wrote:

I'd pay for enterprise if:
The service was $15.00 or less per month. All features included. Even
if it was the only plan available.
The more people who started a group, the more money you would make.
Free is just a model many tend to abuse. I think the more emails
someone sends out, the more people should have to pay for that. You
pay an additional $0.05 per email. therefore you're getting your
money's worth. On top of the premium basic network fee.
I also think paying for features should be a thing. Each additional
integration, each additional setting change, charge for it. That way
you learn to truly appreciate and use what you pay for. Make each
additional post something members can pay to access. That way you as
the creator are also earning revenue.
Quit the free service. You'll thank your lucky stars when you get paid
more when you do it.

On 4/24/18, Paul W. Rankin <paul@...> wrote:
HI Mark,

I'm a big believer in paying for the web services I use. I tend to agree
with this (archived) post from the Pinboard blog:
https://web.archive.org/web/20120921032442/https://blog.pinboard.in/2011/12/don_t_be_a_free_user/
and related Hacker News: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13449875. And
there's evidence that paying users appreciate the product they pay for more
than free users.

Looking at the plans, the Basic level offers so much that I'm really
surprised it's offered for free, but then looking at the Premium feature
set, there's nothing there that I really want. I'd like to use my own
domain, but mostly out of vanity, which is not enough to prompt me to go
Enterprise (which is actually far too expensive for me). I'd like to pay for
Groups.io but at the current pricing levels I don't have much motivation to
do so.

I saw your note regarding increasing revenue:
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/16791. IMHO the most obvious and
easiest way to do this is to charge for Basic level accounts. If the Basic
level cost something like $3/month or $30/year this would be an easy
decision, and I'd be very skeptical of anyone who says they
couldn't/wouldn't pay that to maintain their group.

(This said, I also understand that people do run open source projects or
volunteer groups where any expenditure becomes a sticking point, so I'd
suggest there's still a space for a public-only free accounts that lack
some/most of the features in Basic.)

Paul







moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

 

I do feel that Google Groups works well as a free model because Google
gets money in other ways.
Groups.io would use its own service for primary funding, so as long as
enough people pay for groups, having an option to have a free group
based on specific needs shouldn't harm the platform too badly.
Although I am someone who feels paid services are a must in 2018, I
understand why people feel among certain applications it wouldn't make
sense to pay for a way to connect with two or more people
professionally.
Would this not be the reason why Google Groups could be useful still?
I could understand it then. As a company not connected to any big
player, groups.io would be ideal.
Perhaps having both a google and a groups.io group may be useful in this regard.

On 4/24/18, Barbara Byers <babmay11@provide.net> wrote:
I agree. My groups have a zero budget. They are for 1) families of
individuals with autism, and then a larger group for families of special
needs students in our school district. So folks are not going to pay.
I would do the same, maybe make a couple of small donations in gratitude
for being rescued from the Yahoogroups meltdown, but if we had to pay I
would also probably just go back and muddle along with Yahoogroups or
Googlegroups.

Looks like it is very easy for someone to pay if they want to, so go
right ahead if that is what you prefer. As long as Mark is committed to
maintaining some level of basic free service, I am very grateful for
that. Also, I would say that if push came to shove, I would rather see
ads than have to pay.

Barb B

On 2018-04-24 02:37 PM, Randy Thomson via Groups.Io wrote:

As the volunteer owner of a Group that serves as a communications channel
for the board of directors (17 Group members) of a small (currently under
50
members) non-profit with a very low budget, if I had had to pay to move
to
Groups.io, I would probably have just toughed it out with Yahoo, or
possibly
shifted to Google. I appreciate having had the opportunity to move to
Groups, and will likely make a small personal donation, but I wouldn't
ask
the group to budget it. Many internet services provide free assistance to
501(c)3's (US non-profit tax designation). For example, VerticalResponse,
which we use for eblasts to the total membership, allows non-profits 5000
free emails/month. We don't come close to that limit.

If our organization had five hundred dues paying members, then, I'm sure
all
of the above would change.

Randy T

-----Original Message-----
From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:49 AM
To: Groups.Io Beta List <main@beta.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [beta] Make Basic level accounts paid

Personally I don't think this is a good idea. I'm one of the ones who
can't
pay $30 a year which is why I went with groups.io when making my switch
from mail man..


moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

jamie <jaimemcgill27@...>
 

hi all

i do agree with this last message all of my groups are for people with disabilities and any future groups i may do will be the same and this service is easyer to use and i hope mark carrys on his free basic accounts for us who can not pay the cost

jamie

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Barbara Byers
Sent: 24 April 2018 20:40
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Make Basic level accounts paid

 

I agree.  My groups have a zero budget.  They are for 1) families of individuals with autism, and then a larger group for families of special needs students in our school district.  So folks are not going to pay.  I would do the same, maybe make a couple of small donations in gratitude for being rescued from the Yahoogroups meltdown, but if we had to pay I would also probably just go back and muddle along with Yahoogroups or Googlegroups.

Looks like it is very easy for someone to pay if they want to, so go right ahead if that is what you prefer.  As long as Mark is committed to maintaining some level of basic free service, I am very grateful for that.  Also, I would say that if push came to shove, I would rather see ads than have to pay.

Barb B

 

 

On 2018-04-24 02:37 PM, Randy Thomson via Groups.Io wrote:

As the volunteer owner of a Group that serves as a communications channel
for the board of directors (17 Group members) of a small (currently under 50
members) non-profit with a very low budget, if I had had to pay to move to
Groups.io, I would probably have just toughed it out with Yahoo, or possibly
shifted to Google. I appreciate having had the opportunity to move to
Groups, and will likely make a small personal donation, but I wouldn't ask
the group to budget it. Many internet services provide free assistance to
501(c)3's (US non-profit tax designation). For example, VerticalResponse,
which we use for eblasts to the total membership, allows non-profits 5000
free emails/month. We don't come close to that limit.

If our organization had five hundred dues paying members, then, I'm sure all
of the above would change.

Randy T

-----Original Message-----
From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:49 AM
To: Groups.Io Beta List <main@beta.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [beta] Make Basic level accounts paid

Personally  I don't think this is a good idea. I'm one of the ones who can't
pay $30 a year which is why I went with groups.io when making my switch
from mail man..






moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

Barbara Byers
 

I agree.  My groups have a zero budget.  They are for 1) families of individuals with autism, and then a larger group for families of special needs students in our school district.  So folks are not going to pay.  I would do the same, maybe make a couple of small donations in gratitude for being rescued from the Yahoogroups meltdown, but if we had to pay I would also probably just go back and muddle along with Yahoogroups or Googlegroups.

Looks like it is very easy for someone to pay if they want to, so go right ahead if that is what you prefer.  As long as Mark is committed to maintaining some level of basic free service, I am very grateful for that.  Also, I would say that if push came to shove, I would rather see ads than have to pay.

Barb B

 


On 2018-04-24 02:37 PM, Randy Thomson via Groups.Io wrote:

As the volunteer owner of a Group that serves as a communications channel
for the board of directors (17 Group members) of a small (currently under 50
members) non-profit with a very low budget, if I had had to pay to move to
Groups.io, I would probably have just toughed it out with Yahoo, or possibly
shifted to Google. I appreciate having had the opportunity to move to
Groups, and will likely make a small personal donation, but I wouldn't ask
the group to budget it. Many internet services provide free assistance to
501(c)3's (US non-profit tax designation). For example, VerticalResponse,
which we use for eblasts to the total membership, allows non-profits 5000
free emails/month. We don't come close to that limit.

If our organization had five hundred dues paying members, then, I'm sure all
of the above would change.

Randy T

-----Original Message-----
From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:49 AM
To: Groups.Io Beta List <main@beta.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [beta] Make Basic level accounts paid

Personally  I don't think this is a good idea. I'm one of the ones who can't
pay $30 a year which is why I went with groups.io when making my switch
from mail man..







moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

Armando <a.vias@...>
 

I totally disagree with paying $1 a month on the basic groups.io service. This is because this service always receive updates and is always maintenanced, while other services such as Google Groups/Yahoo Groups are sooooooooooooooooo outdated. Without the advantages of the Groups.io services, such as RSS Feed integration, I would have to manually send out my newsletter to my group. I agree on the donation part though.

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On Apr 24, 2018, at 8:54 AM, Paul W. Rankin <paul@bydasein.com> wrote:

HI Mark,

I'm a big believer in paying for the web services I use. I tend to agree with this (archived) post from the Pinboard blog: https://web.archive.org/web/20120921032442/https://blog.pinboard.in/2011/12/don_t_be_a_free_user/ and related Hacker News: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13449875. And there's evidence that paying users appreciate the product they pay for more than free users.

Looking at the plans, the Basic level offers so much that I'm really surprised it's offered for free, but then looking at the Premium feature set, there's nothing there that I really want. I'd like to use my own domain, but mostly out of vanity, which is not enough to prompt me to go Enterprise (which is actually far too expensive for me). I'd like to pay for Groups.io but at the current pricing levels I don't have much motivation to do so.

I saw your note regarding increasing revenue: https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/16791. IMHO the most obvious and easiest way to do this is to charge for Basic level accounts. If the Basic level cost something like $3/month or $30/year this would be an easy decision, and I'd be very skeptical of anyone who says they couldn't/wouldn't pay that to maintain their group.

(This said, I also understand that people do run open source projects or volunteer groups where any expenditure becomes a sticking point, so I'd suggest there's still a space for a public-only free accounts that lack some/most of the features in Basic.)

Paul



moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

Randy Thomson
 

As the volunteer owner of a Group that serves as a communications channel
for the board of directors (17 Group members) of a small (currently under 50
members) non-profit with a very low budget, if I had had to pay to move to
Groups.io, I would probably have just toughed it out with Yahoo, or possibly
shifted to Google. I appreciate having had the opportunity to move to
Groups, and will likely make a small personal donation, but I wouldn't ask
the group to budget it. Many internet services provide free assistance to
501(c)3's (US non-profit tax designation). For example, VerticalResponse,
which we use for eblasts to the total membership, allows non-profits 5000
free emails/month. We don't come close to that limit.

If our organization had five hundred dues paying members, then, I'm sure all
of the above would change.

Randy T

-----Original Message-----
From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:49 AM
To: Groups.Io Beta List <main@beta.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [beta] Make Basic level accounts paid

Personally I don't think this is a good idea. I'm one of the ones who can't
pay $30 a year which is why I went with groups.io when making my switch
from mail man..


moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

Barbara Byers
 

I just checked this out, that is great that there actually is an option to change to premium for one month!  I was thinking I would have to toggle back and forth from Basic to Premium.  Basically the same as a one time $10 donation.  Thanks!

Barb B

 


On 2018-04-24 11:27 AM, Lena wrote:

I do totally support the idea of making it really easy to make a
"suggested" donation though.  I would definitely do that every once in a
while.

If you want to donate then you can use
Admin - Upgrade - View/Change Plan - Premiun For One Month
as many times as you want.




moderated Re: Make Basic level accounts paid

 

Changes in moderator functions, storage space, etc would be mostly transparent to non-moderators.

On Apr 24, 2018, at 11:06 AM, Sharon Villines <sharon@sharonvillines.com> wrote:

On Apr 24, 2018, at 1:19 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@gmail.com> wrote:

Since the changes would only apply to group owners, rather than all members of groups, I don't think it would be overly confusing.
How could changes only affect the group owners?

Sharon
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