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moderated Re: Icon upgrades

Lena
 

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 10:21 am, Mark Fletcher wrote:


If you're having problems with icons not showing up, please do a hard
reload: hold down the shift key while clicking the reload button in your
browser.
After a hard reload, today in Messages - Single - Reply in the HTML editor there is blank space instead of the first icon "Quote Whole Post". Browsers Firefox 59, Chromium 65, Palemoon 27.8.3 under FreeBSD. The icon does show in the plain text editor.
moderated Re: BCC All Moderators does not work #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 03:13 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
It works, but... It was not sending the message to any moderator that didn't have the Pending Messages notification enabled.
It was my understanding the Pending Messages notification setting is for purpose of moderating incoming messages. Requiring the same setting for sending of Member Notices is not intuitive and is by far the more egregious bug.

Much obliged on this end for fixing that, Mark!

Bruce
moderated Site updates #changelog

Mark Fletcher
 

Changes to the site this week:

  • CHANGE: When sending a message to a member and BCC All is checked, we previously would not send the message to a moderator that didn't have the pending message notification enabled. We now always send the message to all moderators.
  • CHANGE: Wording tweaks on event notification emails re: RSVPs.
  • SYSADMIN: Upgraded Elasticsearch software.
  • SYSADMIN: Reconfigured some machines to avoid future downtime.
  • BUGFIX: #cal-invite messages to all day events had the end date be one day earlier in the attached ICS file.
  • CHANGE: The message sent to members after a group is moved from Yahoo is now from the +owner address, instead of the group address, to prevent inadvertent group replies.

The next #changelog email will be on Friday, May 4th.

Have a good weekend everybody.

Mark
moderated Re: Invitation Message

Sharon Villines
 

[Name] and [Invite Email Address]

If they are in the boilerplate, can’t be deleted, and aren’t filled in when the invite is sent, why are they there if they don’t fill in? I copied into my initial query an invitation that was sent to one of my test email addresses.

The one difference between the invite email and the other member notices is that we have a link in there that is custom to each invite to accept the invite. Where would that go if I eliminated the boilerplate?
Could the link be the only thing that is entered when a custom invite is used?

Sharon
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Sharon Villines, Historic Takoma Park
In Washington DC, Where all roads lead to Casablanca
moderated Re: Invitation Message

Mark Fletcher
 

Hi Sharon,

On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Sharon Villines <sharon@...> wrote:
Another loud voice for a completely customizable invitation letter. The current one is redundant and makes no sense to many people I invite. Most of them are people who have been unsubscribed for spam. They pay no attention to the  message because they know they haven’t unsubscribed. They consider the message to be spam!

This is what the letter that just went out with my letter in the middle instead of replacing the default. [Name] [Invitee Email Address] are also not filling in. I highlighted my invitation.

The [Name] and [Invite Email Address] were never meant to symbolize variables that someone could use; they're just placeholders for the boilerplate that gets sent.

The one difference between the invite email and the other member notices is that we have a link in there that is custom to each invite to accept the invite. Where would that go if I eliminated the boilerplate?


Mark 
moderated Re: BCC All Moderators does not work #bug

Mark Fletcher
 

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 4:07 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
Mark -- One of the other subscribers to GMF reported that her Moderators were not being copied when she checked "BCC: All Moderators." I've been following up on that and it doesn't seem to work in my group, either.


It works, but... It was not sending the message to any moderator that didn't have the Pending Messages notification enabled. I've removed that check and it now sends the message to all mods, regardless of their notification setting.

Thanks,
Mark 
moderated Re: BCC All Moderators does not work #bug

Chris Jones
 

I tried Bcc Moderators when I rejected a posting that had no content earlier this evening (UK time)... and the others did receive it.

Having said that one occurrence isn't necessarily statistically significant. Time will tell if it's repeatable.

Chris
moderated Invitation Message

Sharon Villines
 

Another loud voice for a completely customizable invitation letter. The current one is redundant and makes no sense to many people I invite. Most of them are people who have been unsubscribed for spam. They pay no attention to the message because they know they haven’t unsubscribed. They consider the message to be spam!

This is what the letter that just went out with my letter in the middle instead of replacing the default. [Name] [Invitee Email Address] are also not filling in. I highlighted my invitation.


Hello,

You have been invited by Sharon Villines to join the Groups.io group Members@TVC.groups.io.

The following message was included by Sharon Villines:

Hello [Name],

This is an invitation to join members@tvc.groups.io, the principal communications channel for Takoma Village announcements, questions, information, posting of agendas, minutes, notes, security and emergency warnings, etc. This is a restricted list for members and residents.

To accept the invitation, please reply to this email, or you may accept the invitation by going to the Group Home page. If you accept using the Group Home page, you will also be able to set up a password and set your preferences for message delivery.

If you are not interested, or if [Invitee Email Address] is not your email address, please ignore this email. If you have questions about this invitation, send them to sharon@sharonvillines.com
If you have questions about this invitation, send them to Members+owner@TVC.groups.io.

To accept the invitation, please reply to this email, or you may accept the invitation on the website.

If you are not interested, or if yahoo@sharonvillines.com is not your email address, please ignore this email.

Cheers,
The Groups.io Team
moderated BCC All Moderators does not work #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

Mark -- One of the other subscribers to GMF reported that her Moderators were not being copied when she checked "BCC: All Moderators." I've been following up on that and it doesn't seem to work in my group, either.

I made my test account at GMail a Moderator and gave "him" all mail notifications. I then sent a Member Notice to myself and checked the "BCC All" box. It did not arrive...but I did get a second copy in my own mailbox. I even made "him" an Owner and "he" still didn't get the message. In fact the "BCC: All Moderators" checkbox seems to behave exactly like "BCC: Me."

I subsequently put my test account on moderation and sent a note to the group from there to test the checkbox in the message rejection dialog. I asked all owners and moderators to report back on what happened. Same story...I got a copy but none of the other Owners or Moderators did.

I could be missing something and perhaps others should also try this and report back. But at this point it sure seems like a bug.

Thanks,
Bruce
moderated Re: List of invites sent

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:54 pm, Duane wrote:
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:23 pm, Frances wrote:
Perhaps: Cancel or Remove Accepted Invites.
To avoid any ambiguity, it should probably be "Cancel Pending or Remove Accepted Invites"

Duane

Should it be "and" instead of "or"?

For that matter, why even bother to try to describe two functions when something like "Delete selected" would be simpler.

--
Gerald
moderated Re: List of invites sent

Duane
 

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:23 pm, Frances wrote:
Perhaps: Cancel or Remove Accepted Invites.
To avoid any ambiguity, it should probably be "Cancel Pending or Remove Accepted Invites"

Duane
moderated Re: List of invites sent

Frances
 

The only thing I wish were clarified is Cancel/Remove Invite - that can mean remove an invitation, but it also means "clean up your list by removing those that have accepted".
Perhaps: Cancel or Remove Accepted Invites.
I would love this wording to be changed for clarity.

Frances
moderated Re: List of invites sent

Duane
 

You can sort by clicking on the Status column.

Duane
moderated Re: List of invites sent

William Finn
 

That was my initial option 2 :)


On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 1:10 PM Toby Kraft <toby@...> wrote:
Or a drop down list (similar to the way Members works) that shows All, Sent, Accepted, Failed.  The statuses are already there, just add a filter.
Toby

moderated Re: List of invites sent

Toby Kraft
 

Or a drop down list (similar to the way Members works) that shows All, Sent, Accepted, Failed.  The statuses are already there, just add a filter.
Toby
moderated Re: List of invites sent

William Finn
 

I had not seen that, thanks.

My idea was the list changes as people accept so instead of the invite list as it is today maybe as people accept the invitee list diminishes leaving only the pending.

 

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:56 PM Frances <frances@...> wrote:

Liam, are you looking for more than the list of invites sent?
If you click on Admin, Invites, Sent Invitations, you can see who you have sent an invitation to and who has accepted or not.
The only thing I wish were clarified is Cancel/Remove Invite - that can mean remove an invitation, but it also means "clean up your list by removing those that have accepted.
Perhaps: Cancel or Remove Accepted Invites.

Frances
moderated Re: List of invites sent

Frances
 

Liam, are you looking for more than the list of invites sent?
If you click on Admin, Invites, Sent Invitations, you can see who you have sent an invitation to and who has accepted or not.
The only thing I wish were clarified is Cancel/Remove Invite - that can mean remove an invitation, but it also means "clean up your list by removing those that have accepted.
Perhaps: Cancel or Remove Accepted Invites.

Frances
moderated List of invites sent

William Finn
 

A suggested list of invites sent.

As invites are sent the user list can have an icon to identify they have been invited but not yet accepted. This may be a little messy.

OR

This option I prefer
Have an option under the members drop down to show invited members.
As users accept the invite they are removed from the invited list and added to the standard members listing.


This makes management if users and new invitees easier for admins.

Liam
Re: Email address in footer proposal

Dave Sergeant
 

Actually the header contains an Emvelope-to: line which has my email
address. But point taken.

Dave

On 17 Apr 2018 at 16:31, Mark Fletcher wrote:

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:45 PM Dave Sergeant <dave@davesergeant.com>
wrote:

If it is only in outgoing emails to the sender then indeed it is OK
and won't appear in the archives. But I am puzzled why it is needed
anyway as your email appears in the 'from' line, admittedly munged in
some cases to get round the DMARC issues - but that surely isn't an
issue for recognizing your own email..
Your email address doesn´t appear anywhere for list messages that you
didn´t send. That can be a problem for people with multiple email
addresses and who don´t know which address they´re subscribed with.
That´s the problem I´m trying to address.

Mark

http://davesergeant.com
Re: Email address in footer proposal

Mark Fletcher
 


On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:45 PM Dave Sergeant <dave@...> wrote:
If it is only in outgoing emails to the sender then indeed it is OK and
won't appear in the archives. But I am puzzled why it is needed anyway
as your email appears in the 'from' line, admittedly munged in some
cases to get round the DMARC issues - but that surely isn't an issue
for recognizing your own email..

Your email address doesn’t appear anywhere for list messages that you didn’t send. That can be a problem for people with multiple email addresses and who don’t know which address they’re subscribed with. That’s the problem I’m trying to address.

Mark
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