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moderated Re: Categories for groups -- idea suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 07:11 am, Gerald Boutin wrote:
I would think that limits the usage to a very limited audience. Why not spend the effort putting together keywords in the group descriptions and let Google have at it? 
I think that might justifiably be called "Mission Creep". On a potentially epic scale.

Chris


moderated Re: Categories for groups -- idea suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

What is the intended audience for this categorization? Is it intended for only current groups.io subscribers?

I would think that limits the usage to a very limited audience. Why not spend the effort putting together keywords in the group descriptions and let Google have at it? 

--
Gerald


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Bruce Bowman
 

On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 09:28 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
NEW: When attempting to change your email address to an address that already has an account, and that isn't just subscribed to updates@, we now offer the ability to merge the two accounts automatically. An email is sent to the to account and that account has to accept it.
Mark -- Don't forget to update the Help to reflect this. https://groups.io/static/help#changeemail

Bruce


moderated Re: Categories for groups -- idea suggestion

Sharon Villines
 

On Apr 6, 2018, at 8:27 AM, Susanne <sjlloyd@telus.net> wrote:

I don't think anyone has suggested using Yahoo's hierarchy. In fact, people have expressed decidedly negative views of it.
I find it a nightmare. And as someone who is interested in subjects and their relationships, I go nuts reading it. It’s based on marketing and what publishers think people will buy if the books appear in the same section.

I do want to observe, though, that my book group discusses books, not literature.
But would they recognize “Literature” as a subject. There is probably another category for clubs.

Sharon
----
Sharon Villines
TakomaDC@Groups.io


moderated Re: RSVP request

Southenders Admin
 

This is what we have now
main@SouthendersLakeNorman.groups.io Calendar <main@SouthendersLakeNorman.groups.io>
Mar 27   

#DiningOut Dining Out at La Unica

When:
Wednesday, 25 April 2018
4:30pm to 7:00pm
(GMT-04:00) America/New York

Where:
La Unica Restaurant-Huntersville

Organizer:xyz@...

An RSVP is requested. Are you going?

Description:

Change the AN RSVP IS REQUESTED TO BOLD
turn the ARE YOU GOING INTO A BUTTON
 PUT SOME EXPLANATION REGARDING INCLUDING GUESTS. THE DROPDOWN BOX FOR +1, +2, NEEDS A LINE 
ARE YOU BRINGING GUESTS?
HOW MANY

Thanks Mark


locked Re: EU General Data Protection Regulation

Chris Jones
 

Victoria has raised an important issue; the Groups of which I am a member do not store (in any form) anything beyond members' Display Names and email addresses, and of course that storage is actually at Groups.io.

From reading posts on this and the GMF it is apparent that some Groups hold other much more personal information about their members, and if those members (and / or the Group Owners) are in the EU then the GDPR is something they (the Owners) really need to consider.

IANAL so I am not in a position to speculate on how much responsibility rests with individual Owners and how much with Groups.io as a corporate entity.

Chris.


locked EU General Data Protection Regulation

 

On May 25th 2018 a new privacy policy regulation is becoming valid and will be applicable in all member states to harmonize data privacy laws across Europe:

 

https://gdpr-info.eu/

 

This concerns every platform which is used by Eu-citizens, commercial and private. Since these regulations are substantially stricter than the ones I used to have on my sites so far, modifications to already existing private policy terms became necessary. Everyone who´s got homepages is obliged to adjust their private policy terms according to the new regulations, visible to everybody from the outside. High fines are waiting, and no need to say that lawyers are in the starting gates to search sites and send admonitions.

 

If mailing lists are concerned I do not know for they are not specified in the new regulations. Neither do I know if the private policy terms as they are laid out in groups.io meet the requirements.

 

Just to inform you ..

 

Victoria


moderated Re: Categories for groups -- idea suggestion

Susanne
 


At 2018-04-06 03:52 AM, David P. Dillard wrote:
Unfortunately there is nothing simple about subject classification

Amen.

and a simplistic list will have very little value for finding discussion groups with specific topics of coverage such as diabetes or the war of 1812 as with the growth of GroupsIO there may be many medical and history groups here and these topics may have a huge body or lists under each of these categories for a potential member to wade through to find the list subject they desire.

Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University Libraries

Do you see a problem with having relatively few broad categories and achieving specificity with tags?

To use your example, have a category for Historical Events and tag it for the War of 1812.  "History" could also be used as a tag for other categories.  For example, if you have a group for your SCA chapter or historical re-enactment association, one of its categories could be Culture and Community (to use Al's list),  with a tag of History.  "Diabetes" would be a tag under Medicine, Health, and Wellness. 

Of course keywords from a group's description are also in play in a search.

-- Susanne



moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • NEW: When attempting to change your email address to an address that already has an account, and that isn't just subscribed to updates@, we now offer the ability to merge the two accounts automatically. An email is sent to the to account and that account has to accept it.
  • NEW: From the directory, you can send an email to another member. Limited to 2 per day to a specific person, 10 per day total per group.
  • NEW: We now keep and display the response from the email server on successful deliveries, in the Email Delivery History pages.
  • CHANGE: The group home page month view now takes into account a user's timezone.
  • BUGFIX: When editing a poll, the message that gets sent out now starts "A poll has been updated"....
  • BUGFIX: Plain text messages had emails obscured even when the group was set to show them.
  • CHANGE: Allow padding-left style, to fix indented HTML.
  • BUGFIX: Fix page back in group directory.
  • BUGFIX: Honor group aliases when processing emails.

Have a good weekend everybody.

Mark


moderated Re: Members emailing other members via the directory

 

Hi All,

Sorry I wasn't as clear as I could have been. This is to send an email to someone, without you seeing their email address. If that person then chooses to respond to the email, it goes right to you. We do not handle the responses.

If you're an owner/moderator, you're given the opportunity to send the message as from +owner, but otherwise the message comes from your email address.

Thanks,
Mark

On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 7:52 PM, Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:

On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 05:25 pm, JohnF wrote:
1. What does the "From" look like on the received email? Does it show the sender's address, or some groups.io sender?
I've only tested initiating a DM from an owner account. A group+owner@groups.io email address is used. The reply-to also replies to that email address.
On the other hand, in my test, the group owner sees the member email address when composing the message. But that was already available to the owner.

2. What happens if the mail bounces?

3. If you can only mail someone twice in 24 hours, that's not much of a DM capability. If responses also go through groups.io, maybe it can reset that counter when there's a reply.
Only the initial DM is counted. Replies in the conversation do not increment the counter.

4. If the recipient sends a message back like "STOP" or clicks a link, can it stop that sender from sending direct mails to that recipient? If this feature isn't there, the recipient might start marking the messages as spam, and you know where that leads.

5. I'm sure someone will want the ability to send a message to multiple people. Is that a good feature, or should they just create a group for that sort of thing
Just typing things off the top of my head.

JohnF



moderated show "Likes" in search results #suggestion

 

It would be nice to see "Likes" in search results, just as they do in the complete message list.
--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Members emailing other members via the directory

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 


On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 05:25 pm, JohnF wrote:
1. What does the "From" look like on the received email? Does it show the sender's address, or some groups.io sender?
I've only tested initiating a DM from an owner account. A group+owner@groups.io email address is used. The reply-to also replies to that email address.
On the other hand, in my test, the group owner sees the member email address when composing the message. But that was already available to the owner.

2. What happens if the mail bounces?

3. If you can only mail someone twice in 24 hours, that's not much of a DM capability. If responses also go through groups.io, maybe it can reset that counter when there's a reply.
Only the initial DM is counted. Replies in the conversation do not increment the counter.

4. If the recipient sends a message back like "STOP" or clicks a link, can it stop that sender from sending direct mails to that recipient? If this feature isn't there, the recipient might start marking the messages as spam, and you know where that leads.

5. I'm sure someone will want the ability to send a message to multiple people. Is that a good feature, or should they just create a group for that sort of thing
Just typing things off the top of my head.

JohnF


moderated Re: Members emailing other members via the directory

Bruce Bowman
 

On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 05:25 pm, JohnF wrote:
1. What does the "From" look like on the received email? Does it show the sender's address, or some groups.io sender?
My test message displayed my email address. But then again, so does every other group email.

2. What happens if the mail bounces?
I would assume these emails will be exempt from the group bouncing protocols, but I really don't know. 

3. If you can only mail someone twice in 24 hours, that's not much of a DM capability. If responses also go through groups.io, maybe it can reset that counter when there's a reply.
I suspect these limits are for spam avoidance. Do you really want someone sending you emails repeatedly? If so, after the first exchange or two you can take the conversation offline and simply not use the GIO interface. 

4. If the recipient sends a message back like "STOP" or clicks a link, can it stop that sender from sending direct mails to that recipient? If this feature isn't there, the recipient might start marking the messages as spam, and you know where that leads.
Both the sender and the recipient must have their profile visible to other group members. So there is already a mechanism to stop someone...changing your profile back to private.

5. I'm sure someone will want the ability to send a message to multiple people. Is that a good feature, or should they just create a group for that sort of thing?
We now have the ability to send to individuals or to the whole group. There will always be other possible features but let's not look a gift horse in the mouth.

Bruce


moderated Re: Members emailing other members via the directory

 

1. What does the "From" look like on the received email? Does it show the sender's address, or some groups.io sender?

2. What happens if the mail bounces?

3. If you can only mail someone twice in 24 hours, that's not much of a DM capability. If responses also go through groups.io, maybe it can reset that counter when there's a reply.

4. If the recipient sends a message back like "STOP" or clicks a link, can it stop that sender from sending direct mails to that recipient? If this feature isn't there, the recipient might start marking the messages as spam, and you know where that leads.

5. I'm sure someone will want the ability to send a message to multiple people. Is that a good feature, or should they just create a group for that sort of thing?

Just typing things off the top of my head.

JohnF


moderated Re: RSVP request

 

Hello,

On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Southenders Admin <nnnlriep6@...> wrote:
It would be great if the RSVP feature had a larger, more prominent text for the RSVP request.
_._,_._,_
Can you give me an example of what you'd like to see?

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Members emailing other members via the directory

 

Hi All,

I just added a feature to the directory. Members can now email other members, as a first step towards a DM system. Here is how it works:

- Under each member in the directory is an Email button, which takes you to a page to compose your email. 
- You can only email someone who has opted into the directory (obviously), and their email address is not exposed to you during the process.
- The email subject has [DM] and the group subject tag prepended to it.
- You can only email a particular person in a group 2 times in 24 hours.
- You can only send 10 emails total per group per 24 hours.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Suggestion - Access to databases be set at the database level

Ford Amateur Astronomy Club
 

I have a group that has multiple databases and it would be beneficial to allow role based access at the database level so some will be allowed to all members others can be restricted to Moderators or Owners as needed


moderated RSVP request

Southenders Admin
 

It would be great if the RSVP feature had a larger, more prominent text for the RSVP request.


moderated Automatic Deletion of Members / Spam Messages... More #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

Mark; I apologise for reverting to this subject but I realised this morning that the way the new "Notification to Member" finished up has resulted in something of an anomaly.

My original suggestion was as follows:

Because your Email Service Provider reported to us that one or more messages from [GroupName]@groups.io has been marked as spam you have been automatically removed from the group.  Please note that this "marking as spam" may have been done by your Email Service Provider and not by you. We suggest that you check your spam box as soon as possible to see if your Email Service Provider has diverted legitimate messages into it. (Your Email Service Provider may not be the same as your Internet Service Provider.)

However, the sentence underlined above was not included, possibly as a result of a comment from Shal, so that the paragraph now reads:

Because your Email Service Provider reported to us that one or more messages sent to you from GROUPNAME has been marked as spam you have been automatically removed from the group. We suggest that you check your spam box as soon as possible to see if your Email Service Provider has diverted legitimate messages into it.

The Notification to Owners retained the sentence about the MSP perhaps being responsible, meaning that the Owner is actually better informed than the unfortunate member. 

Can I please ask that the "missing sentence" is restored to its suggested location between ...from the group. and We suggest... It might even be worth keeping the underlining in place.

Next... from the same Notification to Member

The purpose of the sentence Groups.io groups offer several options for controlling how much and what types of emails to receive. See this Help Center article for more information:

https://groupsio.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202739445

has also resulted in a little confusion, because as another (GMF) member commented it didn't seem to "lead anywhere", and I rather thought that as well. Would a better suggestion be to refer members to
Wikipedia: Feedback loop (email) which might explain things rather more?

Again I am sorry to raise this just after you thought the matter was over and done with, but I simply want to ensure that affected members are as well informed as is reasonably practicable. A large part of my concern is that there is sort of concensus that the "average member" may not actually be all that "IT - savvy".

REgards,

Chris.



moderated Re: Categories for groups -- idea suggestion

Susanne
 

Apologies for this message appearing twice.  It was a manifestation of email problems I've been having.

-- Susanne

At 2018-04-06 05:14 AM, Susanne wrote:
To: main@beta.groups.io
From: "Susanne" <sjlloyd@...>
Subject: Re: [beta] Categories for groups -- idea suggestion

Jonathon,

At 2018-04-03 10:29 AM, toki wrote:
On 04/03/2018 10:37 AM, Susanne wrote:

> The goal of all search systems is to get an appropriate number of
> results that are highly relevant to the search query, without missing any.

That is precisely why I advocate either Dewey Decimal or Library of
Congress Classification Headings.  In both instances you're looking at
more than a century of determining where, and how to classify something.

Designed and applied by library professionals to books and similar materials.

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