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moderated Re: Categories for groups -- idea suggestion

Sharon Villines
 

I would suggest keywords. Maybe a narrow list of keywords. Will the search search descriptions?

I found Yahoo’s categories impossible and limiting— maybe it was just having to manipulate the hierarchy but I dreaded it. And often used a category that had nothing to do with anything just to pass that step.

Sharon

On Apr 2, 2018, at 1:56 PM, Jim Fisher <@jimella> wrote:

If the Dewey system were used all Mark would need to do to implement it would
be to add a field to the public list of groups to hold the code, and then sort
on it, leaving group owners/moderators to fill in the field as appropriate. A
list of codes could be on a publicly available database for reference. Two
digits would probably be plenty for this purpose.

Jim Fisher

On 1 Apr 2018 at 12:38, Jujube wrote:

We could use the lists you mentioned. I didn't know of them, so
I thought we might have to make up one, though it's always good
to find some inspiration. My personal favourite is Yahoo Groups
categorization because it's very specific, though we don't have
to be nearly as fanciful. The nice thing with Yahoo
categorization is that there's various levels of categorization.
I'm not saying that we have to use Yahoo Groups categorization
method. Even a few caffdhories would help a lot.

----- Original Message -----
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Date sent: Sun, 1 Apr 2018 17:38:03 +0000
Subject: Re: [beta] Categories for groups -- idea suggestion

On 04/01/2018 04:59 PM, Jujube wrote:

We'll have to decide on a list, though.

What is wrong with using either Dewey Decimal or LCC categories?

jonathon






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moderated Re: Categories for groups -- idea suggestion

Linda
 

Travel or Travel & Lifestyle or Travel & Leisure should be a top level category, not buried in Recreation & Sports.

Medical,
Health, Wellness is better for rare disease support groups.

Linda


moderated Re: Categories for groups -- idea suggestion

 

For search purposes I find broad categories a good idea. At the moment it´s only possible to search alphabetically or by tag or name – if you know it.

Victoria

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Yahoo has 17 very broad categories - "Business & Finance, Computers & Internet, Cultures & Community, Entertainment & Arts, Family & Home, Games, Government & Politics, Health & Wellness, Hobbies & Crafts, Music, Recreation & Sports, Regional, Religion & Beliefs, Romance & Relationships, Schools & Education, Science, Adult" - the last one of which we can drop.
I would suggest each group have a category from the above list plus a set of tags/keywords to further refine the interests of the group.  The category can be used for filtering when searching for a group to set the "playing field" if you will.  (search for groups inside Family&Home with the following keywords...)
Thanks
Toby
PS I would resist having an "Other" category as it tends to become a catchall.


moderated Re: Categories for groups -- idea suggestion

 

If the Dewey system were used all Mark would need to do to implement it would
be to add a field to the public list of groups to hold the code, and then sort
on it, leaving group owners/moderators to fill in the field as appropriate. A
list of codes could be on a publicly available database for reference. Two
digits would probably be plenty for this purpose.

Jim Fisher

On 1 Apr 2018 at 12:38, Jujube wrote:

We could use the lists you mentioned. I didn't know of them, so
I thought we might have to make up one, though it's always good
to find some inspiration. My personal favourite is Yahoo Groups
categorization because it's very specific, though we don't have
to be nearly as fanciful. The nice thing with Yahoo
categorization is that there's various levels of categorization.
I'm not saying that we have to use Yahoo Groups categorization
method. Even a few caffdhories would help a lot.

----- Original Message -----
From: "toki" <toki.kantoor@...
To: main@beta.groups.io
Date sent: Sun, 1 Apr 2018 17:38:03 +0000
Subject: Re: [beta] Categories for groups -- idea suggestion

On 04/01/2018 04:59 PM, Jujube wrote:

We'll have to decide on a list, though.

What is wrong with using either Dewey Decimal or LCC categories?

jonathon






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http://jimella.livejournal.com - misc. snippets, some political, some not
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moderated Re: Out sick

 

Hi All,

Thanks for the well wishes. I am (almost) back to normal, and am working through the backlog of support messages.

Thanks, Mark


moderated Re: Categories for groups -- idea suggestion

Toby Kraft
 

My take on this is - I mostly agree with Mark's comment from 2014 - "In terms of categorizing groups, that opens a big can of worms. Perhaps instead, we could have group owners themselves create a set of tags for their groups. I'm much more a fan of bottom-up organizational structures than top-down taxonomies. They scale better and, I think, can be more accurate." 
And then he asks  "What do you think about this?" - so we're still discussing it.
Yahoo has 17 very broad categories - "Business & Finance, Computers & Internet, Cultures & Community, Entertainment & Arts, Family & Home, Games, Government & Politics, Health & Wellness, Hobbies & Crafts, Music, Recreation & Sports, Regional, Religion & Beliefs, Romance & Relationships, Schools & Education, Science, Adult" - the last one of which we can drop.
I would suggest each group have a category from the above list plus a set of tags/keywords to further refine the interests of the group.  The category can be used for filtering when searching for a group to set the "playing field" if you will.  (search for groups inside Family&Home with the following keywords...)
Thanks
Toby
PS I would resist having an "Other" category as it tends to become a catchall.


moderated Re: Edit indicator #suggestion

 

I could live with member edits bumping up (especially since my group has disabled those;) but I still think it would be a mistake. I even don't like the fact that the "edited" date is displayed instead of the original date.
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moderated Fieles Directory Map for Users

Chuck Scott
 

Question / Suggestion:

Is there currently a way for a user to display a full map of the files areas? I like the map that displays when you click the "scissors" icon to move a file. I was looking for something similar that a user could click to see the full list of directories/sub-directories couldn't find it. That would make it much easier for someone to find the specific sub-directory they want with one click. A directory map icon of some sort on the bread-crumb line might be a good way to do it, or perhaps display it when you click the top level "Files" link on the bread-crumb line.

Thanks,

Chuck


moderated Embedded groups.io photo gallery

Benoît Dumeaux
 

When you past a link to a groups.io gallery maybe it's possible to have a proposition to embedded the photo of the gallery to the message.


moderated Re: Edit indicator #suggestion

Duane
 

I could understand that for a moderator edit, to some extent, but not for a member edit.  I wouldn't want folks to depend on bad information.  That's one of the reasons that member edits are resent to email users and I always send moderator edits.

Duane


moderated Re: Categories for groups -- idea suggestion

Al Ludwick / NN4ZZ
 

Hi Chris,
I also agree that Amateur Radio is a better term but Ham Radio is so widely used that I think it would be good to use both for searching purposes.  

Anyway I took a quick pass at making a short list limited to 20 items, sorted alphabetically.  And I included an "other" category for completeness and for those that prefer not to categorize.  I'm sure I missed a few but if Mark decides to pursue this idea, it probably wouldn't be hard to get more input and perhaps generalize or modify a few of the items to be more inclusive and sill keep the list short.

Regards,  Al / NN4ZZ  
al (at) nn4zz (dot) com



moderated Re: Edit indicator #suggestion

 

I would be against that. Usually (in our group) an edit is something like fixing a typo or redacting disallowed information, such as personal info or s veterinarian name. I would be actually strongly opposed to calling attention to it.


On Apr 2, 2018, at 4:14 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

When reading online, there's currently no notification when a message is edited, other than the badge.  I'd like to see an edit cause the topic to be bumped to the top of the list as if a new message had been posted so that it's more apt to be noticed.

Thanks,
Duane

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moderated Edit indicator #suggestion

Duane
 

When reading online, there's currently no notification when a message is edited, other than the badge.  I'd like to see an edit cause the topic to be bumped to the top of the list as if a new message had been posted so that it's more apt to be noticed.

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: Categories for groups -- idea suggestion

Duane
 

There are a few topics about this, but the one at https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/193280 has links to a couple of the others, so serves as a good summary.

Duane


moderated Re: Categories for groups -- idea suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 11:06 am, Al Ludwick / NN4ZZ wrote:
So that does means someone has to come up with a list of broad categories but I don't think it would really be that hard.  (famous last words, lol)
How about making a start on it yourself?

You suggested a list of about 20 or 30 broad categories; I wonder... if (say) 10 people were to do that without any collaberation between them how much overlap would there be, or would they finish up with 10 significantly different lists?

Another idea, although a rather "complicating" one  - would be the ability to apply geographic filters so that people searching for a specific interest in their own country might be able to find one without having to trawl through others on the other side of the globe.

Regards

Chris

PS: I loathe the term "ham radio" with a passion; amateur radio fine (I am one) but IMHO the expression "ham" serves to degrade our knowledge and experience.


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Ginny T.
 

I echo the sentiments - Hope that you are feeling better, Mark.
Ginny
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moderated Re: Categories for groups -- idea suggestion

Duane
 

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 11:06 am, Al Ludwick / NN4ZZ wrote:
never got any traction
I suspect it's been more of a priority type decision.  Now that there is more interest, maybe it will move up the list a bit.

Duane


moderated Re: Categories for groups -- idea suggestion

Jujube <ellaxyu@...>
 

We could use the lists you mentioned. I didn't know of them, so I thought we might have to make up one, though it's always good to find some inspiration. My personal favourite is Yahoo Groups categorization because it's very specific, though we don't have to be nearly as fanciful. The nice thing with Yahoo categorization is that there's various levels of categorization. I'm not saying that we have to use Yahoo Groups categorization method. Even a few caffdhories would help a lot.

----- Original Message -----
From: "toki" <toki.kantoor@...
To: main@beta.groups.io
Date sent: Sun, 1 Apr 2018 17:38:03 +0000
Subject: Re: [beta] Categories for groups -- idea suggestion

On 04/01/2018 04:59 PM, Jujube wrote:

We'll have to decide on a list, though.

What is wrong with using either Dewey Decimal or LCC categories?

jonathon


moderated Re: Categories for groups -- idea suggestion

Al Ludwick / NN4ZZ
 

Hi Duane,
Thanks for that, I don't think I would have ever found it.   So the idea has been around for about 3 years and it sounds like it never got any traction.  Mark suggested that the Yahoo lists were too detailed and hard to find a category.  And that is exactly why I like  the idea of just having 20-30 broad categories.  That would accomplish several goals.
- make it easy to find one to assign to your groups
- make it easy to browse groups of interest instead of looking through essentially all categories like today. 
- limit the complexity and don't allow users to create their own cryptic categories that would defeat the purpose.

So that does means someone has to come up with a list of broad categories but I don't think it would really be that hard.  (famous last words, lol)

Regards,  Al / NN4ZZ  
al (at) nn4zz (dot) com


 


moderated Re: Categories for groups -- idea suggestion

Duane
 

This was discussed about 3 years ago and there's an item on the TODO list for it, https://trello.com/c/oo1m94cl/122-tags-for-group-categorization-discovery

Duane