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moderated Re: Trimming long threads

ro-esp
 

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 02:17 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
There was a lot of discussion here in beta, way back when, about
auto-trimming of bottom quote tails. That led to the current handling:

- hidden under a button when viewed in the group's Messages pages,
- trimmed entirely from digests, but
- left intact in individual messages.
Back then I said I would prefer to have it (=everything under the last unindented line) trimmed from individual messages too.
But then I like the "old-fashioned" clarity of the http://www.learn.to/quote style (interspersing) , and think top-posting (TOFU) should be banned....

groetjes, Ronaldo


moderated Re: Trimming long threads

 

Martyn,

Is it possible (or could it be made possible) to provide an optional group facility to admins that will automatically trim all replies to, say the first five lines?

There was a lot of discussion here in beta, way back when, about auto-trimming of bottom quote tails. That led to the current handling:
  • hidden under a button when viewed in the group's Messages pages,
  • trimmed entirely from digests, but
  • left intact in individual messages.

I don't recall if trimming to a particular length (characters or lines) was ever discussed, but could be a useful compromise between no context and arbitrary long trailing quotes. If the count is to be in lines one will have to decide what a "line" is - in email paragraphs are often allowed word-wrap to whatever the recipient's current display width is.
 
I have in the past tried trimming posts manually in moderated, but frankly, life is really too short!
 
I feel your pain.

Shal


moderated Trimming long threads

 

One problem with forum and group posts (Yahoo as well as groups.io) is the reluctance of posters replying to a post to delete or at least trim the original. Further replies are often the same, leading to much more data traffic than needed, and some difficulty in following threads consecutively. Is it possible (or could it be made possible) to provide an optional group facility to admins that will automatically trim all replies to, say the first five lines?

I have in the past tried trimming posts manually in moderated, but frankly, life is really too short!

Just a thought...
Martyn
 


moderated Re: FTP interface to Files, Photos? #suggestion

Tom H
 

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 01:54 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
an unscrupulous group owner leveraging Groups.io as generic web file storage - for free.
Is that not possible now? Regardless,  how would FTP  make it worse?


moderated Re: FTP interface to Files, Photos? #suggestion

Mark Irving
 

I like the idea of FTP access to Files and Photos. A speed limit could be applied to uploads and downloads, such as a 10 files/minute maximum, and it would still be a valuable additional management tool in addition to the current individual-files-only user interface.

It might be a good idea to add a sentence to the group owners' terms and conditions, to make it clear that misuse of Groups.io as a file server for things not related to the group and to being a mailing list is not welcome. Rewrite that a little less politely and provide some sort of enforcement, perhaps.

Mark


moderated Re: Filename sort order is odd

Tom H
 

alphabetization has become largely irrelevant in the retrieval of search result lists of library holdings for decades
Your example of the list of types of search results belies your conclusion from a tangential argument. Alphabetically sorted lists are essential to and are the foundation of information management. The sorting algorithm for human use should be easily recognized. This one in G.io is not.


moderated Re: Filename sort order is odd

David P. Dillard
 

I have been a librarian for 47 years with an MLS and I am unfamiliar with the card files of old, entirely gone in our library in the early 1990's, being alphabetically arranged word by word and have never used such a system. Now these tools have morphed to discovery services, we have used Summon from Proquest in past years and now are using Proquest's Primo temporariy until Summer when we will use Black Light to search the Primo database. These permit combining words in searches much as one would do in using Google. This does not imply that the files are arranged in alphabetical order by word or letter, but rather that the search engine
can find co-incidence of multiple words in records as a set of results for searches for word combinations, but inside the computer the arrangement may be entirely different.

Penn State Summon

Summon

https://libraries.psu.edu/


Temple Primo

https://tinyurl.com/tgxwxsn


Results from searches in these tools are, I believe relevancy ranked and not alphaetized as in this example of search results for the phrase "discussion groups".

https://tinyurl.com/y87axx2s

These results also merge these types of materials for Summon records in all Summon libraries.

Album (10) Include Exclude
Archival Material (1,052) Include Exclude
Article (1) Include Exclude
Audio Recording (177) Include Exclude
Book / eBook (108,178) Include Exclude
Book Chapter (6,964) Include Exclude
Book Review (5,837) Include Exclude
Conference Proceeding (1,798) Include Exclude
Data Set (25) Include Exclude
Database (1) Include Exclude
Dissertation/Thesis (15,346) Include Exclude
Electronic Resource (13) Include Exclude
Film (7) Include Exclude
Government Document (1,860) Include Exclude
Image (48) Include Exclude
Journal / eJournal (92) Include Exclude
Journal Article (76,662) Include Exclude
Library Holding (5) Include Exclude
Magazine (9) Include Exclude
Magazine Article (18,210) Include Exclude
Manuscript (872) Include Exclude
Market Research (57) Include Exclude
Microform (14) Include Exclude
Newsletter (3,273) Include Exclude
Newspaper (565) Include Exclude
Newspaper Article (277,924) Include Exclude
Painting (1) Include Exclude
Pamphlet (41) Include Exclude
Paper (101) Include Exclude
Patent (157) Include Exclude
Personal Narrative (1) Include Exclude
Photograph (12) Include Exclude
Poem (4) Include Exclude
Postcard (1) Include Exclude
Poster (6) Include Exclude
Presentation (13) Include Exclude
Publication (299) Include Exclude
Publication Article (7) Include Exclude
Reference (5,780) Include Exclude
Report (1,341) Include Exclude
Research Guide (319) Include Exclude
Research Publication (1) Include Exclude
Sound Recording (2) Include Exclude
Special Collection (5) Include Exclude
Spoken Word Recording (6) Include Exclude
Standard (10) Include Exclude
Streaming Audio (8) Include Exclude
Streaming Video (259) Include Exclude
Student Thesis (27) Include Exclude
Technical Report (111) Include Exclude
Trade Publication Article (3,515) Include Exclude
Transcript (713) Include Exclude
Video Recording (50) Include Exclude
Web Resource (904) Include Exclude


In short, alphabetization has become largely irrelevant in the retrieval of search result lists of library holdings for decades as far as I know.




Sincerely,

David Dillard

Temple University

(215) 204 - 4584

jwne@temple.edu

On Tue, 13 Mar 2018, Marv Waschke wrote:

Generally, dictionaries alphabetize letter-by-letter, libraries catalogs are
alphabetized word-by-word. Which is right? Depends on whether you are a
lexicographer or a librarian, I guess.
Marv _._,_._,_


moderated Re: FTP interface to Files, Photos? #suggestion

 

Tom,

Has there been any discussion about allowing Owners, Moderators to have FTP interaction with Files and/or Photos? 

Interesting idea. Tools like FileZilla make it pretty easy to keep a mirror copy of the files on your local drive in sync with the FTP site.
 
While the best solution is to support the needs in the Groups.io user interface, this may be a case where the cost of development is way more than that of the workaround and is of direct benefit to few.

That's about the only knock I can think of against FTP access: it might not be that easy for the less technically inclined group moderators to deal with. Well, there may also be a somewhat increased risk of abuse by way of an unscrupulous group owner leveraging Groups.io as generic web file storage - for free.

Shal


moderated Re: Filename sort order is odd

Tom H
 

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 02:07 pm, Duane wrote:

... Yes, I see how it could be stripping out spaces for sorting. I was thinking that maybe spaces were being represented by "%20".


moderated FTP interface to Files, Photos? #suggestion

Tom H
 

Has there been any discussion about allowing Owners, Moderators to have FTP interaction with Files and/or Photos? 

I see there have been requests for bulk download and other operations such as moving files. The current UI for uploads sucks when the number of files is large because the UI generates a thumbnail for each file and you cannot start the upload process until it is finished.

Both of those issues could become non-issues if there were FTP access to those areas. It's of primary interest to group founders and organisers while subscribers would have little or no direct interest. While the best solution is to support the needs in the Groups.io user interface, this may be a case where the cost of development is way more than that of the workaround and is of direct benefit to few. Of course, one would think the subscribers will benefit from a better organised group site if the organisers have better tools.


moderated Re: Wish-list: When "off-line" #suggestion

rickglaz4742435@...
 

The "lost message" was found in the Drafts folder much later so no harm was done.
I might have set to save drafts frequently. Having connection detection "built-in" would
still be better. The(Yahoo) might be doing a pre-fetch check before actually trying the send...
(I only did FortranIV so can't be sure about new stuff...)
Thanks. Rick


moderated Re: Filename sort order is odd

Marv Waschke
 

Generally, dictionaries alphabetize letter-by-letter, libraries catalogs are alphabetized word-by-word. Which is right? Depends on whether you are a lexicographer or a librarian, I guess.
Marv


moderated Re: Filename sort order is odd

rickglaz4742435@...
 

I've seen (older) stuff that used the 8.3 filenames (SFN) to sort.
Not enough in the sample to see if that is happening here...
Rick


moderated Wish-list: When "off-line" #suggestion

rickglaz4742435@...
 

When writing a message at the .io WEB site (browser) interface my computer might (and has) disconnected
because I use the "Internet Off" timer program to auto disconnect the machine at the end of "every" hour.
(I seldom "lock" it on permanently with that same program.)

Other services (Yahoo Groups WEB site) notice the Internet is disconnected and warn you after hitting send.
The message is still on screen and "protected" so to speak.

When using .io WEB site my (Google Chrome) Browser tries to send the message and it disappears
and fails. Somehow Yahoo Groups WEB detects and handles what is obviously "operator error".
Please add to wish list. Thanks. (Been a member 2 days.) Rick


moderated Re: Serve HTML files so browser opens them #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

It isn't just html files. The same behaviour occurs for all types of files in the Files section. It seems there is no way to view a file. A user can only download files. I've tried jpg images and txt text files and all that happens is that they download. The Edit icon doesn't actually edit any files, so it was no help for viewing a file. Perhaps the hover text on the icon should be "Properties" instead of "Edit".

On the other hand, the Upload procedure is much more user friendly and includes a nice mini-previewer for the text and image files I used to test the upload process.
I should add that it is not all file types as pdf files are opened when clicking on them. I should have also added that I am using Chrome as a browser. It also now occurs to me that this is not an uncommon method with dealing with files. Sorry for jumping in without really thinking this all the way through.

--
Gerald


moderated Re: Serve HTML files so browser opens them #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

It isn't just html files. The same behaviour occurs for all types of files in the Files section. It seems there is no way to view a file. A user can only download files. I've tried jpg images and txt text files and all that happens is that they download. The Edit icon doesn't actually edit any files, so it was no help for viewing a file. Perhaps the hover text on the icon should be "Properties" instead of "Edit".

On the other hand, the Upload procedure is much more user friendly and includes a nice mini-previewer for the text and image files I used to test the upload process.

-- 
Gerald


On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 12:46 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Hello,

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 12:44 PM, Tom H <ve3meo@...> wrote:
HTML files in the Files section merely download when clicked on in a browser. That is really inconvenient. Could the MIME be issued to cause the browser to render the file?
 
 
I believe that would be a security issue. Someone could mock up a page that looked like a Groups.io page, asking for your email/password. Someone clicking on the file would think there was a glitch causing them to be logged out and requiring them to log in again. I could put a header around it, I suppose.
 
What kind of HTML files are you looking to serve?
 
 
Mark


moderated Add Photos and Add Attachments #suggestion

Michael Rickey (AF6FB) <michael.rickey@...>
 

When composing a message there are toolbar buttons to add a photo and to add an attachment. Both of these options allow me to select a local file on my computer and upload it for use in my message.

This is good, but, what if I want to add an image or a file from the group's Photos or Files sections? I think this would be a great way to answer common questions.

Easy links to other group elements would be nice as well, for example, sub-groups, calendar items, databases, wiki pages, etc.

Maybe it could be a toolbar icon to "Add Internal Link", from there you would select the type of item you want to link to and you'd get a list of items.

What are your thoughts?

Michael


moderated Re: Filename sort order is odd

Duane
 

It's correct for Groups.io, just different from some other sorts. ;>)  In your example, it looks to me like it ignores spaces, which I actually prefer.  I believe it also ignores character case.

Duane


moderated Re: Filename sort order is odd

Tom H
 

No, it does not alter the order other than reverse what is the unexpected|incorrect order to an equally unexpected|incorrect one.


moderated Re: Filename sort order is odd

Bob Bellizzi
 

Just above the  first file name is "Namew" followed by a up or down caret.
Click on the caret to change the sort  order to descenting or ascending and see if it resorts correctly
--

Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation

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