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moderated Re: Default hashtag for groups with mandatory hashtag requirement #suggestion

 

Sure, but the question really is your interpretation of the word "required." You want a group to be able to implement "hashtags required" as "all TOPICS must have hashtags" rather than "all USERS must add hashtags to their posts." You want a requirement on topics, not on group members.

With that interpretation - which is a valid one in English but not one usually meant in user interfaces - members can, and probably will, simply skip putting hashtags on their posts completely. You could easily end up with nothing but the hashtag #other on all posts, which could just as easily be named #nohashtag.

I think most people are aware of how hashtags work.
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moderated Re: Default hashtag for groups with mandatory hashtag requirement #suggestion

Drew
 

Well, it's your analogy. Since you've determined that it isn't apt I guess we can skip it.

Perhaps some are not familiar with the way hashtags are utilized by those who browse the message archive on the group page...

You click on the "Hashtags" category; then click on a particular hashtag. That will filter your view to only those message posts having the selected hashtag. In this way you can view all the various categories of hashtagged message posts.

You can't however selectively view posts that have no hashtags. Unlike email users, subscribers who view message posts on the group page have no option to mute hashtagged messages and browse the remainder.

The solution is to require that *all* message posts have a hashtag (the "Hashtags Required" option in the group settings). Then every message will be filterable into some hashtag category.

But we don't necessarily want to burden our subscribers by forcing them to invent new hashtags, or make them sort through a list of predefined hashtags, because the things we discuss sometimes do not fall into definite categories. So let's just permit these subscribers to use the hashtag category called #other.

And let's make it even easier for them by not rejecting their emails for lack of a hashtag, or forcing them to choose the #other hashtag from a dropdown list every time they post online. Let's just assume that if the user provides no hashtag the message post is by default of the "other" category and the #other hashtag should be applied automatically.

Therefore: "mandatory" hashtags for all message posts, with an automatically applied "default" hashtag if none is provided by the user.

This feature would make particular sense in a group where use of hashtags is restricted to moderator/owner for various official posts, notices and announcements. Subscriber posts would automatically fall in the #other hashtag category with zero effort on subscribers' part.

Another way to accomplish this goal would be to provide the ability for online users to mute those hashtags they are not interested in wading through. Until we have that capability the default hashtag idea would be easy to implement: hashtags on all message posts, whether provided by moderator, subscriber or automatically by default.

Drew

On 03/06/18 15:08, J_Catlady wrote:
p.s. Maybe you want to be kind to them, like in restaurants where a tie is required and if somebody doesn't wear one, you lend them one? But that's not an apt analogy because hashtags are supposed to be informative.
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moderated Re: Location of replies - Top or bottom

Sharon Villines
 

On Mar 6, 2018, at 9:32 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

My question was I thought I had seen some messages on groups.io where the reply was at the top instead of the bottom of the message. I have always replied at the top of a message, but I can't find any option to change it so that always happens. All I wanted was an answer where to look or how to make my reply appear at the top.
This is an option in your email program. People can choose one or the other.


Sharon
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moderated Re: Location of replies - Top or bottom

kr402
 

Judy, replying via group or email?

Sending this via group as test where my reply goes, top or bottom.
I normally reply via email where it is easy to choose top or bottom.


moderated Re: Location of replies - Top or bottom

Judy F.
 

I'm not sure how my question asking how to make sure my reply is at the top and not the bottom, got misread to a general discussion about  replies appearing at the top or bottom of the message. 

My question was I thought I had seen some messages on groups.io where the reply was at the top instead of the bottom of the message.  I have always replied at the top of a message, but I can't find any option to change it so that always happens.  All I wanted was an answer where to look or how to make my reply appear at the top. 

Thank you,
Judy F.
SW Florida - USA


moderated Re: Default hashtag for groups with mandatory hashtag requirement #suggestion

 

p.s. Maybe you want to be kind to them, like in restaurants where a tie is required and if somebody doesn't wear one, you lend them one? But that's not an apt analogy because hashtags are supposed to be informative. 
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moderated Re: Default hashtag for groups with mandatory hashtag requirement #suggestion

 

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 11:49 am, Drew AF2Z wrote:
on those posts for which users elected not to include a hashtag:
If you want to allow users to elect not to include a hashtag, why set your group to "hashtags required"?  Otherwise you're saying, "Hashtags are required, except when they're not (wink, wink). If you don't include one we'll automatically add one for you that basically says 'no hashtag'."

If you want to encourage members to include a hashtag, you can do that. But to require them and then not require them does not make sense to me and I doubt it will make sense to your group members. Or, it will make sense. They'll quickly realize that hashtags are NOT really required.

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moderated Re: Default hashtag for groups with mandatory hashtag requirement #suggestion

Drew
 

Which purpose in particular are you referring to?

The purpose I intend is to have a default hashtag on those posts for which users elected not to include a hashtag: call it the #no-hashtag hashtag, or #miscellaneous, or #everythingelse, or #unknown, or #other.

A #other hashtag offers message filtering options that are not currently available to users who access the group online. Online users do not have the ability to mute hashtags as the email subscribers do. They aren't able to ignore all the "official" notices and announcements that we post in our group and just see the #other stuff. A default #other hashtag would allow them to do that but would not burden posters with a requirement to always include it in their posts.

Drew

On 03/06/18 12:01, David Grimm wrote:
Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of mandatory hashtags?
Dave


moderated Re: Default hashtag for groups with mandatory hashtag requirement #suggestion

 

LOL it certainly does. "You must include a hashtag, but if you don't, no problem, we've got you covered!"😁

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 9:01 AM, David Grimm <engrdave325@...> wrote:
Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of mandatory hashtags?

Dave



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moderated Re: Default hashtag for groups with mandatory hashtag requirement #suggestion

David Grimm
 

Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of mandatory hashtags?

Dave


moderated Re: Attachment thumbnails in topic listing #suggestion

Drew
 

Attached is a better mockup jpeg illustrating my proposal.

Message attachments are shown as thumbnails in the Topics listing. Users would be able to browse the topics in a compact display and get an idea of the attached images without having to tediously click in and out of individual message posts.

This would be ideal for image-oriented groups. It combines the best feature of Facebook (i.e., the "up front" images) with the ordered display of a structured discussion group.

I suggest this feature as a subscriber option: user would be able to collapse or expand the image sections of the Topics listing by clicking on a Thumbnails box on the Topics/Search bar at top.

Drew


moderated Re: Location of replies - Top or bottom

ro-esp
 

On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 04:31 pm, Arno Martens wrote:

Bottom quoting has only been around since Microsoft started the non Standard Outlook Express.
???? When was that? Interspersing has been around since usenet, or so I'm told


In the days of yore when we paid my the minute for dial up internet with slow modems, everyone top quoted
I'm not a fan of that expression, and shouldn't it have a hyphen, logically?

and deleted EVERYTHING that was not essential to the reply.
good habit

Also, eMail clients would add a chevron each time a line was quoted so one
and the good ones still do (although they may show it as something else, like coloured vertical lines). Yahoogroups used to do it too, but doesn't anymore

I always intersperse ( http://www.learn.to/quote ), so people know exactly which answer goes with which question. People who always toppost (TOFU) often reply to what they believe was said, instead of what actually was said. Interspersing forces you to reread what was actually said...

Unfortunately the business-community seems to prefer top-posting

groetjes, Ronaldo


moderated Re: Calendar issue

toki
 

On 03/06/2018 04:40 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Walker Blue for blends
Imitation Whiskey.

Please don't confuse it with real whisky.
Nor with whiskey.

jonathon


moderated Re: Calendar issue

 

On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:20 PM, Bob Bellizzi <cdfexec@...> wrote:
whiskey (Rye - Irish) is not as highbrow as whisky (Scotch)
Whiskey is just whiskey but Whisky is an acquired taste.

Splurge:
Macallan 18 Year for single malts
Walker Blue for blends

Normal:
Walker Black or Macallan 12 year


Mark


moderated Re: Calendar issue

Bob Bellizzi
 

whiskey (Rye - Irish) is not as highbrow as whisky (Scotch)
Whiskey is just whiskey but Whisky is an acquired taste.
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Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: see past activity from "removed" as well as "banned" members (premium groups) #suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

thank you!!!
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Bob Bellizzi

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Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: see past activity from "removed" as well as "banned" members (premium groups) #suggestion

 

On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 7:40 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Oops, except "notes" takes you into the list of groups you're in rather than to the member's notes page....

Fixed.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: see past activity from "removed" as well as "banned" members (premium groups) #suggestion

 

Oops, except "notes" takes you into the list of groups you're in rather than to the member's notes page....
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moderated Re: see past activity from "removed" as well as "banned" members (premium groups) #suggestion

 

Yay! Thanks!!!
💗

On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 7:29 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
Hi J,

I have fixed up the Past Members display. It now links to the member activity page for that past member, and you can also view any moderator notes.

Thanks,
Mark



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moderated option to delete (rather than reject) pending member

 

Sometimes someone applies to my group under the wrong email address. In that case I would like to be able to simply delete the pending member request, rather than send a rejection. To do that currently I have to go in and deactivate my rejected subscription notice. Could there be a way, as with pending messages, to simply delete the request rather than reject it?
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu