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moderated Re: Date format settings #suggestion

Mark Fletcher
 

Jean, et al,

I think I've said this before, but if not, let me be clear, any date format changes will be user specifiable. 

I will make this change, but I don't know when it will happen.

Topic has been beaten, I will not approve any more messages on it.

Thanks,
Mark

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Jean Bennett via Groups.Io <jcbennett@...> wrote:
I feel just as strongly that it should remain as is if it cannot be set optionally at the group or individual level. We do not believe our members should be subjected to confusion to accommodate newcomers.

Jean

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moderated Re: Date format settings #suggestion

Jim Fisher
 

I don't know what you mean by "newcomers". Some of us have been on Groups.io
almost from the beginning, and find the illogical MMDDYY format confusing. If
there is no choice, it should be the logical international format that should
confuse nobody. Failing that DDMMYY is used by most of the world and therefore
a better choice than MMDDYY (and more logical). Another alternative that should
be universally acceptable is to put the month in words (or three letter
abbreviations), although this is not as easily used for sorting as the
international format is..

Jim Fisher

On 25 Feb 2018 at 14:38, Jean Bennett via Groups.Io wrote:

I feel just as strongly that it should remain as is if it cannot be set
optionally at the group or individual level. We do not believe our members
should be subjected to confusion to accommodate newcomers.

Jean

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Mark Irving
 

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moderated Re: Date format settings #suggestion

Shal Farley
 

Sue,

However I would happily accept yyyy/mm/dd as a universal compromise,
ISO standard 8601 would be YYYY-MM-DD (hyphens, not slashes). Be that as it may...

not least because my group does have members from various countries
including the USA.
A date/time format selection, like the timezone selection, I imagine will end up being a personal selection in one's account. With a default set by the first group you join, if you join one before setting the option in your account (e.g. you accept an email invitation, or are transferred in from Yahoo, etc.).

I don't know, but I wouldn't expect a site-wide change of format before the account option.

Shal
moderated Re: Date format settings #suggestion

Jean Bennett
 

Not to belabor the issue, but, as you said, we want to see and understand that with which we have been familiar all our lives. That is why I feel strongly that the date format should be set optionally at the user or group level or, if that is not feasible, be left as it currently is to avoid confusing our members.

Jean



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moderated Re: Date format settings #suggestion

Sue
 

Jean,

I am in the UK and therefore, obviously, would prefer the date to be
dd/mm/yyyy. Equally I understand that those in the USA would prefer
mm/dd/yyyy. And of course, Mark being American would naturally create the
date format that he is familiar with. That is fully understood. However
Groups io is growing and becoming international and so I think it is not
surprising that people are asking the question about other date formats.
It is not a question of seniority at Groups io (my group has also been here
for two years), I think that is irrelevant. It is a question of being able
to see and instantly understand something we have known all our lives.
However I would happily accept yyyy/mm/dd as a universal compromise, not
least because my group does have members from various countries including
the USA.

Sue

I feel just as strongly that it should remain as is if it cannot be set
optionally at the group or individual level. We do not believe our members
should be subjected to confusion to accommodate newcomers.
moderated Re: Left-hand Menu Request

Sue
 

>Is there anything in the Admin menu that has a number beside it?  That will cause the Admin menu to expand automatically.  Once all those are taken care of, it should always start collapsed.

Duane, thank you, that does explain it. However what we have pending is applications from members who haven’t yet responded to our information request. They could sit there for two weeks which is the time we tend to wait for a response before deleting their request. Therefore during that time, which of course could be ongoing depending on how many requests we get, I still have the issue of the menu being open. The number at the top is sufficient for me to know there is something to look at, I don’t need the menu fully open.

I would still prefer a setting so I could keep the menu closed up.

 

Sue
moderated Re: Date format settings #suggestion

J_Catlady
 

I have no opinion on this except to say that the issue is not whether or not to accommodate ‘newcomers.’ I think the desires and needs of all members are important, newcomers or not. (Please note: I am not a ‘newcomer.’)

On Feb 25, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Jean Bennett via Groups.Io <jcbennett=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

I feel just as strongly that it should remain as is if it cannot be set optionally at the group or individual level. We do not believe our members should be subjected to confusion to accommodate newcomers.

Jean

#OrlandoStrong


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moderated Re: Date format settings #suggestion

Jean Bennett
 

I feel just as strongly that it should remain as is if it cannot be set optionally at the group or individual level. We do not believe our members should be subjected to confusion to accommodate newcomers.

Jean

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moderated Re: Left-hand Menu Request

Duane
 

Is there anything in the Admin menu that has a number beside it?  That will cause the Admin menu to expand automatically.  Once all those are taken care of, it should always start collapsed.

Duane
moderated Re: Left-hand Menu Request

Carol Good
 

I'm having exactly the same issue; it's not just Sue.

Carol
moderated Re: Database request

Duane
 

In your Account settings, under Preferences, you can select the number of Items Per Page - 20, 50, 100, or Infinite Scroll.  Infinite Scroll doesn't work in a database, but the others do.  This also changes what you see on the web site when looking at messages.

You can click on any column header and it will sort by that column.  At the moment, it's single column only, so no secondary sorting.

Duane
moderated Re: Left-hand Menu Request

Sue
 

Hi Bob,

 

I thought I must have missed something when I read your message so I’ve just tested it.

I opened my group, collapsed the menu, shut the window and reopened it. The menu was opened again so, for some reason, it doesn’t remember my choice. In fact, if I close up the menu and then go to some other place – directory or photos – the menu immediately reopens.

Interesting.

 

Sue

 
moderated Re: refinements to member notices #suggestion

J_Catlady
 

p.s. The Welcome Message does, of course, fall into case (1) for a non-restricted group. So there does need to be an "active" default in that case.
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moderated Re: Left-hand Menu Request

Bob Bellizzi
 

If there's nothing for the moderator/owner to do, and you had previously collapsed the Admin sub menu, 
when you return to groups.io, the Admin sub menu should still be collapsed.
It does for me on any of my groups that don't have Admn work to do.
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moderated Re: pending subscription process changed?

J_Catlady
 

p.s. re the member who already had an account yet was asked to confirm, is it possible some data got lost during the downtime and other recent problems?
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moderated pending subscription process changed?

J_Catlady
 

In doing some testing today, I noticed that I seem to no longer receive a pending subscription notification until the requesting member has confirmed. Is this new? I used to get members with NC.

(Mark, I can send you the details privately if need be. The pending member/email address in question actually has, and had, a groups.io account, yet received a confirmation email as if they had no account. Furthermore, I did not receive any notice of their subscription request, either in email or in the pending queue, until they had confirmed.)
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moderated refinements to member notices #suggestion

J_Catlady
 

My suggestion overall (details below) is separate out member notices into two cases:

(1) Notices which must be sent automatically (if sent at all), because the member or pending member, not the moderator initiates the action. These consist of only two cases: Good-bye and Pending Subscription.

(2) Notices that are sent at the time of a moderator-driven action. This is all the rest - rejected subscription, rejected message, removed, banned, etc.

In case (2), I would like to see the "active" designation removed because it is misleading and, in some cases, doesn't do anything. In some of these cases currently, the moderator chooses, at the time they initiate the action (e.g., rejecting a message), which notice goes out - thus making the "active" designation meaningless. In some of them, this real-time choice is not presented, and I think it should be (details below).

In case (1), I think the "active" choice needs to be there (because there is no possible way to make a choice of which notice goes out in real time, so you need a default). 

Here are my detailed suggestions, and the rationale:

1, Remove the “active” designation for rejected message. It's unnecessary and misleading (the mod chooses the message at the time of rejection). (The "active" designation could stay in case you want the mod not to have to actively choose at the time, but it is still misleading IMO.)

 

2. Similar to "rejected message" currently, allow multiple notices for “rejected subscription” and allow the mod to choose, at the time of rejecting the subscription, which one goes out. Similarly, the "active" designation could (and would preferably) be removed. 

 

3. Same for removed member and banned member - remove the "active" choice and pick which one goes out, if any, at the time of the removal or banning.

Here's the reason I would like these changes. I find myself, in each case, having to manually go in and pick the "active" notice before taking the action (rejecting the subscription or whatever), and then going back afterwards and putting back the "active" to the former one or to none of them. In other words, I am picking which message I want to go out, but instead of picking it in conjunction with the specific action I'm taking at the time, I'm forced to go into Member Notices and set the default ("active") notice to whatever I want it to be for that particular member, THEN reject the member, and THEN go BACK into Member Notices and set it back (in many cases).

Unlike "Pending Subscription" and "Good-bye," which are the only two *truly* automatic notices - because the action is initiated by the pending member, rather than the moderator - I don't think that any other notices require a default "active" choice, and I think that having one creates more problems than it solves.

Even the Welcome message could be choosable at the time the membership is approved, but this seems less useful and that one could be left alone, which an "active" default.

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moderated Re: Can Member Notices be personalised

J_Catlady
 

Sounds like overkill to me. :) All the notices are sent to the email address of the applicable member. And most of them (all except the automatically sent messages) already have a customizable "from" address, either +owner or the moderator sending the notice. 
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moderated Re: Left-hand Menu Request

Toby Kraft
 

Sue,
Um, but the Admin menu is only collapsed/expanded, all the menu items are always there, just scroll down...
Toby
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