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moderated Re: Migration from

toki
 

On 02/14/2018 04:54 PM, Tom H wrote:

an ''Easy migration from Wikispaces"?
Subtract 90 days from the date that Wikispaces shuts down:
* If everything has been transferred from Wikispaces to your new site,
you have an easy migration;
* If nothing has been transferred from Wikispaces, you have an uphill
battle;

More seriously, how easy the migration process is, depends upon how easy
it is to backup the data on WikiSpaces, onto physical hardware that you
control.

Has anyone done a satisfactory non-easy migration?
"Non-easy" and "satisfactory" are mutually exclusive terms.

jonathon


moderated Re: web-based questionnaire for restricted groups a pressing issue #suggestion

 

Most of our members subscribe via the web.

On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:37 AM, Drew AF2Z <@af2z> wrote:

I don't mean to hijack this thread about web-based questionnaires but it seems appropriate to mention that a simpler solution for obtaining info from potential subscribers would be to allow comments to be passed to owners via the +subscribe email address. That is how YG worked. I suspect some former yahoo users do include comments in their subscribe email but there is no indication to them that their comments go nowhere.

Lacking comments in the subscribe email we have to resort to overly complicated instructions on our group page to obtain required info. Example:

"Send an empty email to the +subscribe address and we will contact you with a request for the required info. Alternatively, send the required info to +owners address and we will send you an invitation which you will then need to respond to in order to become a subscriber."

It would be so much easier to simply state:

"Send required info to XXX+subscribe@groups.io."

I realize the premium account allows direct add but that still leaves the problem of comments in subscribe emails being ignored and having to engage in multiple email exchanges in order to process required info.

Drew




On 02/14/18 12:40, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Hi J,
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:41 AM, J_Catlady <@J_Catlady <mailto:@J_Catlady>> wrote:
I think this is on the todo list but I am pushing for a bump in
priority: GMF is virtually *swamped* with new group owners flummoxed
and dismayed by not having the same kind of web-based questionnaire
for prospective membersthat they had in Y!G. Can you refresh my memory? I thought Y! Groups only had a single text box where you could enter a reason for joining, and that you couldn't specify the question. And that reason was just emailed to the owners and not stored anywhere. Is that true?
What my vision has been is to use the database feature to be able to define a proper questionnaire. The results would be stored with the member and could be referenced/searched on. Some/all of those answers could also be made visible to the other group members. Also, I want to be able to use the database to define extra fields for each member, so that moderators can track information. But I haven't been able to properly map all this out in my head and figure out how it should work. And I was thinking it'd be a premium group feature.
Thanks,
Mark


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moderated Re: web-based questionnaire for restricted groups a pressing issue #suggestion

Drew
 

I don't mean to hijack this thread about web-based questionnaires but it seems appropriate to mention that a simpler solution for obtaining info from potential subscribers would be to allow comments to be passed to owners via the +subscribe email address. That is how YG worked. I suspect some former yahoo users do include comments in their subscribe email but there is no indication to them that their comments go nowhere.

Lacking comments in the subscribe email we have to resort to overly complicated instructions on our group page to obtain required info. Example:

"Send an empty email to the +subscribe address and we will contact you with a request for the required info. Alternatively, send the required info to +owners address and we will send you an invitation which you will then need to respond to in order to become a subscriber."

It would be so much easier to simply state:

"Send required info to XXX+subscribe@groups.io."

I realize the premium account allows direct add but that still leaves the problem of comments in subscribe emails being ignored and having to engage in multiple email exchanges in order to process required info.

Drew

On 02/14/18 12:40, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Hi J,
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:41 AM, J_Catlady <@J_Catlady <mailto:@J_Catlady>> wrote:
I think this is on the todo list but I am pushing for a bump in
priority: GMF is virtually *swamped* with new group owners flummoxed
and dismayed by not having the same kind of web-based questionnaire
for prospective membersthat they had in Y!G. Can you refresh my memory? I thought Y! Groups only had a single text box where you could enter a reason for joining, and that you couldn't specify the question. And that reason was just emailed to the owners and not stored anywhere. Is that true?
What my vision has been is to use the database feature to be able to define a proper questionnaire. The results would be stored with the member and could be referenced/searched on. Some/all of those answers could also be made visible to the other group members. Also, I want to be able to use the database to define extra fields for each member, so that moderators can track information. But I haven't been able to properly map all this out in my head and figure out how it should work. And I was thinking it'd be a premium group feature.
Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: web-based questionnaire for restricted groups a pressing issue #suggestion

 

Mark,

Yes, that was sloppy language on my part. Y!G only has the textbox, but at this point, even that would be better than nothing. I do remember your plan for the questionnaire and having it go directly into a database. I don't care at this point whether or not it goes directly into a database - although that would be really nice  - and I don't think anybody else does either, at this point. They are all just clamoring for a way to get some information from a prospective member besides having to do sit and wait for an emailed questionnaire that possibly never arrives (and you never know whether it does or not). 

I think making the fancy implementation (database, etc.) could be a premium feature, but I think it's not a good idea to make at least some form of this a basic feature. Maybe just the textbox. Of course I haven't thought it through either, but I would be - as always lol - willing to lend my opinion if you sketch something out. :)

I feel like there is urgency here, just to get *something*. 
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moderated Re: web-based questionnaire for restricted groups a pressing issue #suggestion

 

Hi J,

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:41 AM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

I think this is on the todo list but I am pushing for a bump in priority: GMF is virtually *swamped* with new group owners flummoxed and dismayed by not having the same kind of web-based questionnaire for prospective membersthat they had in Y!G. 

Can you refresh my memory? I thought Y! Groups only had a single text box where you could enter a reason for joining, and that you couldn't specify the question. And that reason was just emailed to the owners and not stored anywhere. Is that true?

What my vision has been is to use the database feature to be able to define a proper questionnaire. The results would be stored with the member and could be referenced/searched on. Some/all of those answers could also be made visible to the other group members. Also, I want to be able to use the database to define extra fields for each member, so that moderators can track information. But I haven't been able to properly map all this out in my head and figure out how it should work. And I was thinking it'd be a premium group feature.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Migration from

Tom H
 

Wikispaces has announced its demise so organizers are hunting for alternatives. I'm one of them. Is there any prospect of an ''Easy migration from Wikispaces"? Has anyone done a satisfactory non-easy migration?


moderated web-based questionnaire for restricted groups a pressing issue #suggestion

 

Hi Mark,

I think this is on the todo list but I am pushing for a bump in priority: GMF is virtually *swamped* with new group owners flummoxed and dismayed by not having the same kind of web-based questionnaire for prospective membersthat they had in Y!G. They are being advised to use the pending member notice to send an email questionnaire, but, as in my group, these get lost a significant percentage of the time in at least one other group; and even when they're received, having an email-based questionnaire can be a significant disincentive to join a group, compared, say, to FB groups, and sometimes people are just put off by them. (I won't compare it to Y!G because of all the problems there, including with the CAPTCHA (sp?), but that's what it's being compare to over and over again in GMF by new members.)

Hoping this can happen sooner rather than later.

J

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moderated Re: guidelines

 

Thanks!

 

Von: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] Im Auftrag von J_Catlady
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:58
An: main@beta.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [beta] guidelines

 

Settings —> Member notices —> create new notice —> (select type ‘guidelines’)


On Feb 14, 2018, at 5:38 AM, Victoria Caesar <victoria.caesar@...> wrote:

I just created a new group and I´d like to provide guidelines for members. I´ve seen that some groups have - among the other icons on the left side - one that is called guidelines. 

Where do I find this?
Regards
Victoria


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moderated Re: guidelines

 

Settings —> Member notices —> create new notice —> (select type ‘guidelines’)


On Feb 14, 2018, at 5:38 AM, Victoria Caesar <victoria.caesar@...> wrote:

I just created a new group and I´d like to provide guidelines for members. I´ve seen that some groups have - among the other icons on the left side - one that is called guidelines. 

Where do I find this?
Regards
Victoria

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moderated guidelines

 

I just created a new group and I´d like to provide guidelines for members. I´ve seen that some groups have - among the other icons on the left side - one that is called guidelines. 

Where do I find this?
Regards
Victoria


moderated Re: login suggestion for new refugees from YahooGroups

 

HI Sharon,

Thanks for the great feedback. I have incorporated your feedback into the join screen, the confirmation email and the welcome page. The welcome page (what you get when you click the Confirm link in the email) now lets you set a password directly on that page without having to go to your account. I've tweaked the account pages a little, but I need to go over that a lot more. But hopefully this will help your new members.

Thanks,
Mark

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Sharon Villines <sharon@...> wrote:
I set up a new account in order to test this process. Now I’m even more confused. Nowhere does it mention setting up a password.

This was so much easier 2 years ago.

After I signed up with a new email address I saw this:

> An email has been sent to you with a link to log into your account and confirm your email address. Look for a message from Groups.io with the Subject: "Confirm Your Groups.io Account".
>
> If you don't want to log in to Groups.io, you may reply to that email instead and that will confirm your email address without logging you on.
>
> When you confirm your email address your membership will be completed. The group may send you further information about the group.
>
> Here is some information that may be helpful when you have confirmed your email address:
>
>       • All messages posted in this group will be sent to you at yahoo@....
>       • To post to the group, send an email to TakomaDC@TakomaDC.groups.io or visit the Post page.
>
> To change your delivery and subscription options, or to unsubscribe, click the Subscription Options bar below.

50% too many words. I suggest:

> An email has been sent from Groups.io to confirm your email address and activate your membership.

To say where messages will be received and sent, and to set delivery options before confirming email address and activating the membership seems out of order.  I would put this somewhere else

> To change your delivery and subscription options, or to unsubscribe, click the Subscription Options bar below.


The email to confirm my subscription seems too long. When readers see lots of words, they expect lots of information. Anyone who has signed up for any email group or website has done this confirmation process so they know the routine. And everyone over 5 or at least 10 our under 80 has done this.

I think this is all you need:

> Thank you for your interest in joining the TakomaDC group at Groups.io. If you did not request or do not want to join TakomaDC@groups.io, please ignore this message.
>
> If you only want to send and receive messages from TakomaDC@groups.io, reply to this email to confirm your email address and activate your membership.
>       • Messages will be sent to you at yahoo@....
>       • Send messages to TakomaDC@TakomaDC.groups.io

> If you want to use the resources and read messages on the TakomaDC Groups.io website, please click on the link below to confirm your email address, set up a password, and choose other subscription settings:

> Confirm Membership


So I click on the "confirm membership” then I see a page that says:

> Your Account Has Been Confirmed! Here are your next steps.
>
> Visit Your Groups!
> Here are the groups you are subscribed to. Check them out:
>       • TakomaDC
>       • updates
> Set Up Your Profile
>       Edit your identity information to add your full name, user name, and a profile photo.
> Find Groups
>       Find groups to join. Joining and participating in groups is completely free.
> Create Your Own Groups
>       Create a public group. Public groups are completely free. Interested in private groups? See which plan is best for you.

Even if I had seen “password" on the confirmation email message, I would still be trying to find where to set up a password. Finally I explore "Set Up Your Profile”, (a page I would never visit) and find “Edit your identity information to add your full name, user name, and profile photo.”

Still no mention of passwords.

“Identity information” is an uncommon use of words. Usually don’t sites say Membership Information unless it is a commercial site? Identity as in war games?

Is a “profile" different than an “identity”? The instructions use both words. Why?

Then when I go to “Set up your Profile,” it doesn’t ask for "full name, user name, and a profile photo" — it asks for password and sign-in information, which is what I was looking for in the first place. No mention of it anywhere else.

In the left hand menu, under "Other Services" I see "Oauth Logins” ? Are "other services" the same as “integrations”?

Under “preferences" people are able to make different choices than the list is set up for. Will members think they can post in HTML if they want to when the list is set to plain text? If the list was set to HTML and they choose to receive plain text, they would see gibberish, right?

I’ve noticed Billing and Payments appearing frequently. What would an individual account holder be paying for? Why ask for a credit card number? My people are going to freak. Many have already refused to subscribe to Yahoo by going to the website because Yahoo wants their phone number — I have to enroll them directly so no other information is recorded. I’m promising them no marketing on Groups.io and they see billing.

Detail people are weird and I don’t want to give them anything to be weirder about. Two words that mean the same thing is a lot of emails to explain.

I’m a writer and a former academic, so don’t take offense. I do this in my sleep.

Sharon
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"Focus means saying no to the 100 good ideas out there. Innovation is saying no to 1,000 things." Steve Jobs









moderated Re: Date format settings #suggestion

Sharon Villines
 

On Feb 13, 2018, at 5:21 AM, Ian Gillis <@Ian> wrote:
In messages the English groups use the format from the RFC headers, viz. 24 January 2018
I find this clearest — with the month spelled out. I started using this when my email groups and clients became international. It’s the clearest for everyone even if it is not conventional locally. My copy editor for my last book even allowed this format in the bibliography.

then yyyy/mm/dd is IMHO the most logical choice.
I use this on files when I want them to sort chronologically. Otherwise, I find people are confused by it. And the further we go into the 2000’s the more people will want to use only 2 numbers for the year. I’m already getting questions about this.

Sharon
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TakomaTime, a neighborhood timebank
takomatime.timebanks.org


moderated Re: Repeating Events in Calendar Bug

Scott Myers
 

OK, I've officially tried it in two of my groups on two different computers with both Chrome and IE on both machines.  The same bug exists on both groups and on both machines on both browsers.  I am pretty certain it is not me.

 

Bob-  This was not about adding a notification.  This was about adding additional events to an already repeating event.

 

Scott Myers

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Bellizzi
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 4:18 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Repeating Events in Calendar Bug

 

I couldn't make it fail on one of my groups
I tried it with one of my  groups and had no problem.  Added a notification and saved it for all repeats and it shows up woth my change when I open one of the  later ones and also the original that I updated.
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Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Repeating Events in Calendar Bug

Bob Bellizzi
 

I couldn't make it fail on one of my groups
I tried it with one of my  groups and had no problem.  Added a notification and saved it for all repeats and it shows up woth my change when I open one of the  later ones and also the original that I updated.
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Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Repeating Events in Calendar Bug

Scott Myers
 

No problems with the pop-up. I've tried it with both IE and Chrome,
although I primarily use Chrome. I've tried it several different ways and
had another owner try it as well. He too had the problem.

So let's say I make an event that repeats and I want it to repeat weekly in
Thursday 4 times. Then later I decide I want to change it to 6 times. I go
into edit, change it from 4 to 6 times, the hit the green update event
button. I get the popup asking me if I want to do it to all events or just
this one. I select all and it acts like it works, but when I'm thrown back
to the calendar, it hasn't changed. I go back into the event and nothing is
changed. It is still at 4 times, not 6. I just tried this exact scenario
before sending this to insure I'm describing it correctly. I did it with
Chrome.

Scott Myers

-----Original Message-----
From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Sergeant
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 4:28 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Repeating Events in Calendar Bug

I wonder if the same is happening to you. Due to a glitch in my browswer
(Palemoon) the popup window to choose whether you want it to apply to the
current event or all events doesn't immediately appear - I have to switch to
another tab and back to get it. I had previously tried to edit an event to
remove the alert when it happened and assumed it had saved but had not as I
had not seen the popup. Now gone back and made sure I ticked the box on the
popup as well and it seems to have updated correctly.

This glitch with not seeing the popup happens in a few other areas of
groups.io, very annoying but nothing to do with groups.io.

Dave

On 12 Feb 2018 at 15:22, Scott Myers wrote:

I've noted that once a repeating event is added to the calendar, it
will not accept a change. It must be deleted and you have to reenter
to correct the repeating event.

http://davesergeant.com


moderated Re: On language and date localization

Andre Polykanine <andre@...>
 

Hi Mark,
Unfortunately, I don't know your stack, but basically if you use GNU
GetText for localization, the curve won't be too large: you just wrap
every text string in _() call, then you give the localizers a POT
file, and you receive from them PO/MO files. Then, if something is
changed on your side, it just is displayed in English, no errors, no
"unknown variable" or some stuff like that.
Again, I would be glad to help if needed. I've been working in
localization for six years now, so I believe I could be of some help.


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Andre
Skype: menelion_elensule
Twitter: @m_elensule; Facebook: menelion

------------ Original message ------------
From: Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io>
To: main@beta.groups.io
Date created: , 4:10:30 AM
Subject: [beta] On language and date localization


Hi All,


I agree that localizing Groups.io into different languages would be great, and it's on the TODO list. Unfortunately I can't dedicate the time to make it happen right now. One of the reasons is that once a site is localized, it's more difficult to add/change features. It slows development down a bit, for the rest of time. Also, no paid groups have asked for it (but have asked for other features not yet supported). Again, I think it's absolutely worthwhile. But I can't do it right now.


Date localization is a little easier, as it's a lot more limited in scope. The outstanding problem with getting that done right now (besides time) is that it's unclear if the library I use for the date picker on the add event page supports different date formats. That's on me to spend the time to figure out; I just haven't been able to yet.


Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: search function

 

I agree that precision is more important than sensitivity. However I've noticed that diacritical marks are discriminators, so that (say) "fevrier" will not return results including only "février". This is not usual - most search engines ignore accents - and will lead to some gritting of teeth in areas that use characters defined by more than 7-bit ASCII…
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moderated Re: Date format settings #suggestion

Jean Bennett
 

If the date format cannot be set as a local preference, then our US-based group prefers it stay just as it is now rather than confuse our members (who have been with Groups.io for over two years).

Jean

#OrlandoStrong


moderated Re: On language and date localization

Marina
 

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 06:10 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:

I agree that localizing Groups.io into different languages would be great,
and it's on the TODO list. Unfortunately I can't dedicate the time to make
it happen right now. One of the reasons is that once a site is localized,
it's more difficult to add/change features. It slows development down a
bit, for the rest of time. Also, no paid groups have asked for it (but have
asked for other features not yet supported). Again, I think it's absolutely
worthwhile. But I can't do it right now.
Thank you for considering our request. I do appreciate it.
I'll be glad to help with the Italian translation, whenever you decide to go ahead with the project.
As for date localization, I am not sure what we're talking about, but the date format we're familiar with over here is definitively day-month-year.

All the best,
Marina


moderated Re: #transfer

Southenders Admin
 

Thanks, Shal, I appreciate your interest in getting to the bottom of this.

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 01:04 am, Shal Farley wrote:
Um...

Firstly, only the Posting Privileges for the member sending the message
would have any effect on the message.
But the message never made it to the group, with or without the attachment.
So, something else must have happened.

> But even so, after I approved the earlier messages, they did not go
> through after moderation.

Ok, this tells us that the address sending the attachments was being
moderated, so that's why those messages didn't post. Still, that has
nothing to do with the attachments.

What do you mean by "did not go through"? Do you mean that the message
posted without the attachments, or do you mean the message didn't post?
And if the latter, where did you look?
The message posted with the attachment, but was never emailed to memebers.
This is the sort of Q&A that is more appropriate to GroupManagersForum
than to beta. Perhaps we should continue over there.
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum
You're right. But at this point, I will only go back to this issue if it happens going forward. Thanks again!