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Re: On language and date localization
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 06:10 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I agree that localizing Groups.io into different languages would be great,Thank you for considering our request. I do appreciate it. I'll be glad to help with the Italian translation, whenever you decide to go ahead with the project. As for date localization, I am not sure what we're talking about, but the date format we're familiar with over here is definitively day-month-year. All the best, Marina
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Re: #transfer
Southenders Admin
Thanks, Shal, I appreciate your interest in getting to the bottom of this.
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 01:04 am, Shal Farley wrote: Um...But the message never made it to the group, with or without the attachment. So, something else must have happened.The message posted with the attachment, but was never emailed to memebers. This is the sort of Q&A that is more appropriate to GroupManagersForumYou're right. But at this point, I will only go back to this issue if it happens going forward. Thanks again!
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Re: Date format settings
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Dear kr402, I live in France and run Yahoo groups in English and in French. In messages the English groups use the format from the RFC headers, viz. 24 January 2018 The French groups translate the month, viz. 24 janvier 2018 (note the lower case initial letter for the month). The short-form versions used by Yahoo for notifications are 24 Jan, 2017 or 24 janv. 2017. There is a European Norm which invokes ISO 8601 - it's referred to as "EN ISO 8601" - which is a pan-European standard and thus should apply to the UK and France - although what happens after Brexit is anyone's guess! It uses only numerals which avoids the translation and usage problems for the months. Common usage in the UK is dd/mm/yyyy, as it is in France. However the clumsy, confusing and illogical 12-hour system with am and pm is used for time in the UK and the 24-hour system in Europe. Ideally Groups IO should make the date and time format settable to suit local preferences, but if this is "too hard" then yyyy/mm/dd is IMHO the most logical choice. -- ______________________________________ Ian Gillis C Eng MIET
On 12 February 2018 at 23:43, kr402 via Groups.Io <kr402@...> wrote:
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On language and date localization
Thanks, Mark, I was very happy to read your reply to the language issue. As I wrote before I gladly offer my services translating functional terms and other texts into German. Regards Victoria
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Re: On language and date localization
Tony Moody
Hallo Mark,
Two ideas on date localisation
either
1. Use 'my' system date settings to set how Groups.io serves mail to my account. My pc OS
is set to yyyy-mm-dd. I prefer this and find it most useful and least brain taxing.
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2. Use the date form which shows month as mmm : Feb or mmmm ; February . That will
remove some of the confusion. But will not help the sorting.
Thank you so very much for what you do.
OK,
Tony
On 12 Feb 2018 at 18:10, Mark Fletcher wrote about
Subject : [beta] On language and date localiz
Hi All,
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Date localization is a little easier, as it's a lot more limited in
scope. The outstanding problem with getting that done right now
(besides time) is that it's unclear if the library I use for the date
picker on the add event page supports different date formats. That's
on me to spend the time to figure out; I just haven't been able to
yet.
Thanks,
Mark
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Re: Repeating Events in Calendar Bug
I wonder if the same is happening to you. Due to a glitch in my
browswer (Palemoon) the popup window to choose whether you want it to apply to the current event or all events doesn't immediately appear - I have to switch to another tab and back to get it. I had previously tried to edit an event to remove the alert when it happened and assumed it had saved but had not as I had not seen the popup. Now gone back and made sure I ticked the box on the popup as well and it seems to have updated correctly. This glitch with not seeing the popup happens in a few other areas of groups.io, very annoying but nothing to do with groups.io. Dave On 12 Feb 2018 at 15:22, Scott Myers wrote: I've noted that once a repeating event is added to the calendar, it will http://davesergeant.com
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Re: #transfer
Southenders Admin,
I changed all my members to *default Message Policy*, and my messageUm... Firstly, only the Posting Privileges for the member sending the message would have any effect on the message. Secondly, those have nothing to do with attachments. So, something else must have happened. But even so, after I approved the earlier messages, they did not goOk, this tells us that the address sending the attachments was being moderated, so that's why those messages didn't post. Still, that has nothing to do with the attachments. What do you mean by "did not go through"? Do you mean that the message posted without the attachments, or do you mean the message didn't post? And if the latter, where did you look? This is the sort of Q&A that is more appropriate to GroupManagersForum than to beta. Perhaps we should continue over there. https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum Shal
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question about language template
hi, everyone,
I saw groups.io uses templates, CSS and java scripts. My question is: Can text fields of xml templates be exported, the texts be transformed into a different language and then be reimported afterwards? If so, I would gladly be helpful with the translation from English into German language. I´d be very happy to get an answer to my question. Regards Victoria from Cologne, Germany
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Re: Repeating Events in Calendar Bug
Hi Scott, On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:22 PM, Scott Myers <ac8de@...> wrote:
I'm not able to duplicate this. Can you send an email to support@groups.io with some additional information: - which group - which event in the group - what specific fields did you try to change - when you updated the event, did you select just that event or all events to be updated Thanks, Mark
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Re: Editing or updating files transferred from YahooGroups
Hi Paula, On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:36 PM, Paula <disi@...> wrote: I cannot edit or update any of the 1,890 files that got transferred from my old YahooGroup yesterday. I can update the brief file description that appears just under the file heading, but nothing from the body of the file itself. Almost all of our files are plain text. Yes, that is not currently a supported feature. On the TODO list, but I don't know when it will happen. I can open the files in Opera, but many of them have been replaced with a single line instead. Here is an example (see below) of the one line that appears instead of the plain text. Ugh. I think that's an unfortunate effect from Yahoo's problems. Thanks, Mark
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Re: search function
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 06:30 pm, Walter Underwood wrote:
Because the search includes date sorting, precision becomes really important. When sorting by relevance, it is OK to have lots of poor matches as long as they are on page 10 of the results. But when sorted by date, all those bad matches are mixed in, with no way to ignore them.Exactly! -- J
Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones. I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu
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Re: search function
I do agree that it's odd not to return the partial matches that originally are claimed in this thread are missing. If I search on "cat," I would also expect to get back "cats." I know that doesn't happen now and it does seem unexpected. But that's for exact matches. I would not want to get back instances of every word related to cat - just words that contain the exact match.
-- J
Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones. I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu
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Re: search function
Whatever happens, *please* let's not go back to the days of stemming, if "stemming" means returning all words having the same root. That's what Search used to do here and it was unacceptable, useless, and a huge PITA!
-- J
Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones. I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu
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Re: search function
Linguistically, there are derivational and inflectional stemmers. Derivational stemmers are more aggressive and can reduce “conduction” to “conduct” and “catty” to “cat". Some even remove prefixes, so “superconductor” becomes “conduct”. They are allowed to change between parts of speech, like noun to verb. Inflectional stemmers do not change the part of speech. They might remove endings (“cars” to “car”) or make internal changes (“women” to “woman”). Some handle irregular plurals, like “people” to “person”.
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In Solr, Lucene, and ElasticSearch, the KStem analyzer is the least aggressive. I’m not a fan of stemming proper nouns like “Holbrooks”. “Steve Jobs” and “Bill Gates” are not a job or a gate. Because the search includes date sorting, precision becomes really important. When sorting by relevance, it is OK to have lots of poor matches as long as they are on page 10 of the results. But when sorted by date, all those bad matches are mixed in, with no way to ignore them. Wildcards, like asterisks, usually put a huge load on the search engine. First it must scan all the terms to get matches, then search with the hundreds or thousands of terms that match.
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Re: #transfer
Southenders Admin
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:37 pm, J_Catlady wrote:
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:30 pm, Southenders Admin wrote:Oh, the humanity! (where's my spell checker?)
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On language and date localization
Hi All, I agree that localizing Groups.io into different languages would be great, and it's on the TODO list. Unfortunately I can't dedicate the time to make it happen right now. One of the reasons is that once a site is localized, it's more difficult to add/change features. It slows development down a bit, for the rest of time. Also, no paid groups have asked for it (but have asked for other features not yet supported). Again, I think it's absolutely worthwhile. But I can't do it right now. Date localization is a little easier, as it's a lot more limited in scope. The outstanding problem with getting that done right now (besides time) is that it's unclear if the library I use for the date picker on the add event page supports different date formats. That's on me to spend the time to figure out; I just haven't been able to yet. Thanks, Mark
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Re: #transfer
Southenders Admin
Thanks, Shal
Message problem solved, in a way. I changed all my members to default Message Policy, and my message with attachment went through. I guess I must have misunderstood the Overides. But even so, after I approved the earlier messages, they did not go through after moderation. I have created a PDF for event creation, but it's pretty rudimentary. I also have one explaining hashtags to new members. The message to my members about hashtag was regarding color coding. Here's the wording: *************************************************************************************************************************** The new website has a very important feature. These are Hashtags that allow you to focus in on a particular Interest Group, and its activities.
When you're old and retired like my group, you can move down to Lake Norman NC, and join!
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Re: search function
J,
Ideal, I think, would be the third way: partial but not stemming.
No. I'd much rather have partial matches without needing a "syntax" element like an asterisk to mark it. That is, I'd like to have a search for "driver" match "drivers", which would be a match on part of the word, but not "driving", which would be a match based on word stems. Partial matching would solve Nancy's case of Holbrook versus Holbrooks, and it would allow one to do "psuedo-stemming". For example, searching for "driv" if one wanted to match both "drivers" and "driving". Note the "psuedo", as that would also match "drivel", which a true stemming search would not. Shal
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Re: #transfer
Bob Bellizzi
Wow Sharon! I love it!
It's everything I've thought also. Rah, Rah, Mark! And I really mean that. -- Bob Bellizzi Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
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Re: #transfer
Southenders Admin, Since the attachment is a description of my hashtag color coding, I'd be happy to post it here to see if anyone gets it in this group, as opposed to what is happening on my created site. I don't think we should use beta for tests. But you're welcome to join shalstest, or in this case since the content might be useful to other moderators, post it in GMF. https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum In GMF the Attachments option is set to "Allow", so it should go through. I'm not certain of beta's setting, so it may not be a valid test. Shal _.
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