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moderated Re: Repeating Events in Calendar Bug

Bob Bellizzi
 

I couldn't make it fail on one of my groups
I tried it with one of my  groups and had no problem.  Added a notification and saved it for all repeats and it shows up woth my change when I open one of the  later ones and also the original that I updated.
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moderated Re: Repeating Events in Calendar Bug

Scott Myers
 

No problems with the pop-up. I've tried it with both IE and Chrome,
although I primarily use Chrome. I've tried it several different ways and
had another owner try it as well. He too had the problem.

So let's say I make an event that repeats and I want it to repeat weekly in
Thursday 4 times. Then later I decide I want to change it to 6 times. I go
into edit, change it from 4 to 6 times, the hit the green update event
button. I get the popup asking me if I want to do it to all events or just
this one. I select all and it acts like it works, but when I'm thrown back
to the calendar, it hasn't changed. I go back into the event and nothing is
changed. It is still at 4 times, not 6. I just tried this exact scenario
before sending this to insure I'm describing it correctly. I did it with
Chrome.

Scott Myers

-----Original Message-----
From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Sergeant
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 4:28 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Repeating Events in Calendar Bug

I wonder if the same is happening to you. Due to a glitch in my browswer
(Palemoon) the popup window to choose whether you want it to apply to the
current event or all events doesn't immediately appear - I have to switch to
another tab and back to get it. I had previously tried to edit an event to
remove the alert when it happened and assumed it had saved but had not as I
had not seen the popup. Now gone back and made sure I ticked the box on the
popup as well and it seems to have updated correctly.

This glitch with not seeing the popup happens in a few other areas of
groups.io, very annoying but nothing to do with groups.io.

Dave

On 12 Feb 2018 at 15:22, Scott Myers wrote:

I've noted that once a repeating event is added to the calendar, it
will not accept a change. It must be deleted and you have to reenter
to correct the repeating event.

http://davesergeant.com


moderated Re: On language and date localization

Andre Polykanine <andre@...>
 

Hi Mark,
Unfortunately, I don't know your stack, but basically if you use GNU
GetText for localization, the curve won't be too large: you just wrap
every text string in _() call, then you give the localizers a POT
file, and you receive from them PO/MO files. Then, if something is
changed on your side, it just is displayed in English, no errors, no
"unknown variable" or some stuff like that.
Again, I would be glad to help if needed. I've been working in
localization for six years now, so I believe I could be of some help.


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------------ Original message ------------
From: Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io>
To: main@beta.groups.io
Date created: , 4:10:30 AM
Subject: [beta] On language and date localization


Hi All,


I agree that localizing Groups.io into different languages would be great, and it's on the TODO list. Unfortunately I can't dedicate the time to make it happen right now. One of the reasons is that once a site is localized, it's more difficult to add/change features. It slows development down a bit, for the rest of time. Also, no paid groups have asked for it (but have asked for other features not yet supported). Again, I think it's absolutely worthwhile. But I can't do it right now.


Date localization is a little easier, as it's a lot more limited in scope. The outstanding problem with getting that done right now (besides time) is that it's unclear if the library I use for the date picker on the add event page supports different date formats. That's on me to spend the time to figure out; I just haven't been able to yet.


Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: search function

 

I agree that precision is more important than sensitivity. However I've noticed that diacritical marks are discriminators, so that (say) "fevrier" will not return results including only "février". This is not usual - most search engines ignore accents - and will lead to some gritting of teeth in areas that use characters defined by more than 7-bit ASCII…
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moderated Re: Date format settings #suggestion

Jean Bennett
 

If the date format cannot be set as a local preference, then our US-based group prefers it stay just as it is now rather than confuse our members (who have been with Groups.io for over two years).

Jean

#OrlandoStrong


moderated Re: On language and date localization

Marina
 

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 06:10 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:

I agree that localizing Groups.io into different languages would be great,
and it's on the TODO list. Unfortunately I can't dedicate the time to make
it happen right now. One of the reasons is that once a site is localized,
it's more difficult to add/change features. It slows development down a
bit, for the rest of time. Also, no paid groups have asked for it (but have
asked for other features not yet supported). Again, I think it's absolutely
worthwhile. But I can't do it right now.
Thank you for considering our request. I do appreciate it.
I'll be glad to help with the Italian translation, whenever you decide to go ahead with the project.
As for date localization, I am not sure what we're talking about, but the date format we're familiar with over here is definitively day-month-year.

All the best,
Marina


moderated Re: #transfer

Southenders Admin
 

Thanks, Shal, I appreciate your interest in getting to the bottom of this.

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 01:04 am, Shal Farley wrote:
Um...

Firstly, only the Posting Privileges for the member sending the message
would have any effect on the message.
But the message never made it to the group, with or without the attachment.
So, something else must have happened.

> But even so, after I approved the earlier messages, they did not go
> through after moderation.

Ok, this tells us that the address sending the attachments was being
moderated, so that's why those messages didn't post. Still, that has
nothing to do with the attachments.

What do you mean by "did not go through"? Do you mean that the message
posted without the attachments, or do you mean the message didn't post?
And if the latter, where did you look?
The message posted with the attachment, but was never emailed to memebers.
This is the sort of Q&A that is more appropriate to GroupManagersForum
than to beta. Perhaps we should continue over there.
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum
You're right. But at this point, I will only go back to this issue if it happens going forward. Thanks again!


moderated Re: Date format settings #suggestion

 

Dear kr402,

I live in France and run Yahoo groups in English and in French.

In messages the English groups use the format from the RFC headers, viz. 24 January 2018
The French groups translate the month, viz. 24 janvier 2018 (note the lower case initial letter for the month).

The short-form versions used by Yahoo for notifications are 24 Jan, 2017 or 24 janv. 2017.

There is a European Norm which invokes ISO 8601 - it's referred to as "EN ISO 8601" - which is a pan-European standard and thus should apply to the UK and France - although what happens after Brexit is anyone's guess! It uses only numerals which avoids the translation and usage problems for the months.

Common usage in the UK is dd/mm/yyyy, as it is in France. However the clumsy, confusing and illogical 12-hour system with am and pm is used for time in the UK and the 24-hour system in Europe.

Ideally Groups IO should make the date and time format settable to suit local preferences, but if this is "too hard" then yyyy/mm/dd is IMHO the most logical choice.

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On 12 February 2018 at 23:43, kr402 via Groups.Io <kr402@...> wrote:

On Feb 12, 2018, at 2:01 PM, Ian Gillis <tessel.bas@...> wrote:

About the only criticism of my transferred former Yahoo group of retired Marconi (UK) engineers was the date format. Absolutely no-one likes mm-dd-yyyy, everyone would be happy with the European dd-mm-yyyy but a fair few would be prepared to accept the ISO 8601 yyyy-mm-dd. I understand that to a US developer mm-dd-yyyy is familiar and doesn't yell "Change Me!" - but to a retired UK engineer it's very irritating and a potential source of schedule errors…

hmmm, what do you propose different for each region?
EG: Ygroups has U.K. groups.
Is the date there 
European dd-mm-yyyy ?



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moderated On language and date localization

 

Thanks, Mark,

I was very happy to read your reply to the language issue.

As I wrote before I gladly offer my services translating functional terms and other texts into German.

Regards

Victoria


moderated Re: On language and date localization

Tony Moody
 

Hallo Mark,

Two ideas on date localisation
either
1. Use 'my' system date settings to set how Groups.io serves mail to my account. My pc OS is set to yyyy-mm-dd. I prefer this and find it most useful and least brain taxing.   

or
2. Use the date form which shows month as mmm : Feb or mmmm ; February . That will remove some of the confusion. But will not help the sorting.

Thank you so very much for what you do.

OK,
Tony


On 12 Feb 2018 at 18:10, Mark Fletcher wrote about
 Subject : [beta] On language and date localiz

Hi All,

<snip>

Date localization is a little easier, as it's a lot more limited in
scope. The outstanding problem with getting that done right now
(besides time) is that it's unclear if the library I use for the date
picker on the add event page supports different date formats. That's
on me to spend the time to figure out; I just haven't been able to
yet.

Thanks,
Mark
  


moderated Re: Repeating Events in Calendar Bug

Dave Sergeant
 

I wonder if the same is happening to you. Due to a glitch in my
browswer (Palemoon) the popup window to choose whether you want it to
apply to the current event or all events doesn't immediately appear - I
have to switch to another tab and back to get it. I had previously
tried to edit an event to remove the alert when it happened and assumed
it had saved but had not as I had not seen the popup. Now gone back and
made sure I ticked the box on the popup as well and it seems to have
updated correctly.

This glitch with not seeing the popup happens in a few other areas of
groups.io, very annoying but nothing to do with groups.io.

Dave

On 12 Feb 2018 at 15:22, Scott Myers wrote:

I've noted that once a repeating event is added to the calendar, it will
not accept a change. It must be deleted and you have to reenter to
correct the repeating event.

http://davesergeant.com


moderated Re: #transfer

 

Southenders Admin,

I changed all my members to *default Message Policy*, and my message
with attachment went through. I guess I must have misunderstood the
Overides.
Um...

Firstly, only the Posting Privileges for the member sending the message would have any effect on the message.

Secondly, those have nothing to do with attachments.

So, something else must have happened.

But even so, after I approved the earlier messages, they did not go
through after moderation.
Ok, this tells us that the address sending the attachments was being moderated, so that's why those messages didn't post. Still, that has nothing to do with the attachments.

What do you mean by "did not go through"? Do you mean that the message posted without the attachments, or do you mean the message didn't post? And if the latter, where did you look?

This is the sort of Q&A that is more appropriate to GroupManagersForum than to beta. Perhaps we should continue over there.
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum

Shal


moderated question about language template

 

hi, everyone,

I saw groups.io uses templates, CSS and java scripts.

My question is: Can text fields of xml templates be exported, the texts be transformed into a different language and then be reimported afterwards?

If so, I would gladly be helpful with the translation from English into German language.

I´d be very happy to get an answer to my question.

Regards
Victoria from Cologne, Germany


moderated Re: Repeating Events in Calendar Bug

 

Hi Scott,

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:22 PM, Scott Myers <ac8de@...> wrote:

I've noted that once a repeating event is added to the calendar, it will not accept a change.  It must be deleted and you have to reenter to correct the repeating event.

_._,_._,_

I'm not able to duplicate this. Can you send an email to support@groups.io with some additional information:

- which group
- which event in the group
- what specific fields did you try to change
- when you updated the event, did you select just that event or all events to be updated

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Editing or updating files transferred from YahooGroups

 

Hi Paula,

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:36 PM, Paula <disi@...> wrote:
 
I cannot edit or update any of the 1,890 files that got transferred from my old YahooGroup yesterday.  I can update the brief file description that appears just under the file heading, but nothing from the body of the file itself.  Almost all of our files are plain text.

Yes, that is not currently a supported feature. On the TODO list, but I don't know when it will happen.

 
I can open the files in Opera, but many of them have been replaced with a single line instead.  Here is an example (see below) of the one line that appears instead of the plain text.

--Paula
<!-- neodl3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com Thu Feb  8 04:54:45 UTC 2018 -->
Ugh. I think that's an unfortunate effect from Yahoo's problems.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: search function

 

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 06:30 pm, Walter Underwood wrote:
Because the search includes date sorting, precision becomes really important. When sorting by relevance, it is OK to have lots of poor matches as long as they are on page 10 of the results. But when sorted by date, all those bad matches are mixed in, with no way to ignore them.
Exactly!
 
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moderated Re: search function

 

I do agree that it's odd not to return the partial matches that originally are claimed in this thread are missing. If I search on "cat," I would also expect to get back "cats." I know that doesn't happen now and it does seem unexpected. But that's for exact matches. I would not want to get back instances of every word related to cat - just words that contain the exact match.

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moderated Re: search function

 

Whatever happens, *please* let's not go back to the days of stemming, if "stemming" means returning all words having the same root. That's what Search used to do here and it was unacceptable, useless, and a huge PITA!
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moderated Re: search function

Walter Underwood
 

Linguistically, there are derivational and inflectional stemmers. Derivational stemmers are more aggressive and can reduce “conduction” to “conduct” and “catty” to “cat". Some even remove prefixes, so “superconductor” becomes “conduct”. They are allowed to change between parts of speech, like noun to verb. Inflectional stemmers do not change the part of speech. They might remove endings (“cars” to “car”) or make internal changes (“women” to “woman”). Some handle irregular plurals, like “people” to “person”.

In Solr, Lucene, and ElasticSearch, the KStem analyzer is the least aggressive.

I’m not a fan of stemming proper nouns like “Holbrooks”. “Steve Jobs” and “Bill Gates” are not a job or a gate.

Because the search includes date sorting, precision becomes really important. When sorting by relevance, it is OK to have lots of poor matches as long as they are on page 10 of the results. But when sorted by date, all those bad matches are mixed in, with no way to ignore them.

Wildcards, like asterisks, usually put a huge load on the search engine. First it must scan all the terms to get matches, then search with the hundreds or thousands of terms that match.

wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder@...
http://observer.wunderwood.org/  (my blog)

On Feb 12, 2018, at 5:14 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

J,

I agree with Walter. I'd rather have it this way than the other way.

Ideal, I think, would be the third way: partial but not stemming.

I still think it should be possible to use an asterisk to indicate "contains this string." No?

No.

I'd much rather have partial matches without needing a "syntax" element like an asterisk to mark it. That is, I'd like to have a search for "driver" match "drivers", which would be a match on part of the word, but not "driving", which would be a match based on word stems.

Partial matching would solve Nancy's case of Holbrook versus Holbrooks, and it would allow one to do "psuedo-stemming". For example, searching for "driv" if one wanted to match both "drivers" and "driving". Note the "psuedo", as that would also match "drivel", which a true stemming search would not.

Shal



moderated Re: #transfer

Southenders Admin
 

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:37 pm, J_Catlady wrote:
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:30 pm, Southenders Admin wrote:
I really want this to wok, and I think it will.
It's not only going to wok. It's going to wok and roll! 
 
Oh, the humanity!
(where's my spell checker?)

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