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moderated Re: #transfer

Southenders Admin
 

Thanks, Shal

Message problem solved, in a way.

I changed all my members to default Message Policy, and my message with attachment went through. I guess I must have misunderstood the Overides.

But even so, after I approved the earlier  messages, they did not go through after moderation.

I have created a PDF for event creation, but it's pretty rudimentary. I also have one explaining hashtags to new members.

The message to my members about hashtag was regarding color coding.  Here's the wording:
***************************************************************************************************************************

The new website has a very important feature. These are Hashtags that allow you to focus in on a particular Interest Group, and its activities.

Hashtags are color coded:

Red are for general membership and board business
Blue represents Outdoor activities
Gold represents Indoor activities
Green represents...eating activities
Attached is a copy of part of the web page showing how these look. 

 

 
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When you're old and retired like my group, you can move down to Lake Norman NC, and join!


moderated Re: search function

 

J,

I agree with Walter. I'd rather have it this way than the other way.

Ideal, I think, would be the third way: partial but not stemming.

I still think it should be possible to use an asterisk to indicate "contains this string." No?

No.

I'd much rather have partial matches without needing a "syntax" element like an asterisk to mark it. That is, I'd like to have a search for "driver" match "drivers", which would be a match on part of the word, but not "driving", which would be a match based on word stems.

Partial matching would solve Nancy's case of Holbrook versus Holbrooks, and it would allow one to do "psuedo-stemming". For example, searching for "driv" if one wanted to match both "drivers" and "driving". Note the "psuedo", as that would also match "drivel", which a true stemming search would not.

Shal


moderated Re: #transfer

Bob Bellizzi
 

Wow Sharon!  I love it!
It's everything I've thought also.  
Rah, Rah, Mark!  And I really mean that.
--

Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: #transfer

 

Southenders Admin,

Since the attachment is a description of my hashtag color coding, I'd be happy to post it here to see if anyone gets it in this group, as opposed to what is happening on my created site.

I don't think we should use beta for tests. But you're welcome to join shalstest, or in this case since the content might be useful to other moderators, post it in GMF.
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum

In GMF the Attachments option is set to "Allow", so it should go through. I'm not certain of beta's setting, so it may not be a valid test.

Shal
 _.


moderated Re: search function

 

I agree with Walter. I'd rather have it this way than the other way. I still think it should be possible to use an asterisk to indicate "contains this string." No?

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 4:07 PM, Walter Underwood <wunder@...> wrote:
I’ve been working in search for over twenty years and you really, really cannot get 100% specific and 100% sensitive. In search evaluation, those are called “precision” and “recall”. You are lucky to get to 50% on either one. I got the Netflix search working better than that, but that was in a very specific domain, just movies and TV.

The most common solution is to try and get the first few result to be very specific (high precision), matching the customer’s query. Weaker matches are farther down and on later pages of results.

I’ll go look over the previous discussion to see if there is anything I can add.

wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder@...
http://observer.wunderwood.org/  (my blog)

On Feb 12, 2018, at 4:02 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

There were some long debates about the search function in the past. This is one side of the issue. Before the newest version, the search function would return too much (it was over-sensitive) - for example, if you searched on "diagnosis," it would return diagnosis, diagnostics, diagnosed, etc. etc. etc. It was a big argument to get it to be more specific. I wanted it to be both 100% sensitive and 100% specific but it seems you can't have both given the search software that Mark is using. I agree that it would be better if you could also do the kind of partial search you are asking for here, perhaps by using an asterisk at the end of the search term. But if I had to pick one way (sensitivity or specificity) I'd pick the latter, i.e., the way it is now. It was useless for me, and some others, to have too much returned every time.
--
J
 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu




--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: #transfer

Southenders Admin
 

Thanks for shooting me, Shal, I needed that. I can put the hashtag in the event name, but my 30 Group Directors, aged 65+, probably will forget to do this. I set message to only allow New Messages with a hashtag, so the drop down list comes down.

But unfortunately, larger issue is that even on a message I created with only a 77KB attachment half an hour ago has not been received.Messages with attachments don't seem to go out, or at least I am not getting a copy of them.

Since the attachment is a description of my hashtag color coding, I'd be happy to post it here to see if anyone gets it in this group, as opposed to what is happening on my created site.


moderated Re: search function

Walter Underwood
 

I’ve been working in search for over twenty years and you really, really cannot get 100% specific and 100% sensitive. In search evaluation, those are called “precision” and “recall”. You are lucky to get to 50% on either one. I got the Netflix search working better than that, but that was in a very specific domain, just movies and TV.

The most common solution is to try and get the first few result to be very specific (high precision), matching the customer’s query. Weaker matches are farther down and on later pages of results.

I’ll go look over the previous discussion to see if there is anything I can add.

wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder@...
http://observer.wunderwood.org/  (my blog)

On Feb 12, 2018, at 4:02 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

There were some long debates about the search function in the past. This is one side of the issue. Before the newest version, the search function would return too much (it was over-sensitive) - for example, if you searched on "diagnosis," it would return diagnosis, diagnostics, diagnosed, etc. etc. etc. It was a big argument to get it to be more specific. I wanted it to be both 100% sensitive and 100% specific but it seems you can't have both given the search software that Mark is using. I agree that it would be better if you could also do the kind of partial search you are asking for here, perhaps by using an asterisk at the end of the search term. But if I had to pick one way (sensitivity or specificity) I'd pick the latter, i.e., the way it is now. It was useless for me, and some others, to have too much returned every time.
--
J
 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu



moderated Re: search function

 

There were some long debates about the search function in the past. This is one side of the issue. Before the newest version, the search function would return too much (it was over-sensitive) - for example, if you searched on "diagnosis," it would return diagnosis, diagnostics, diagnosed, etc. etc. etc. It was a big argument to get it to be more specific. I wanted it to be both 100% sensitive and 100% specific but it seems you can't have both given the search software that Mark is using. I agree that it would be better if you could also do the kind of partial search you are asking for here, perhaps by using an asterisk at the end of the search term. But if I had to pick one way (sensitivity or specificity) I'd pick the latter, i.e., the way it is now. It was useless for me, and some others, to have too much returned every time.
--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated search function

Nancy P
 

I'd posted this earlier in the group managers forum and it was suggested that I try it here as well as it was apparently a subject for discussion a few months ago - any chance the search function will be expanded to include partial words?

" We've just started transferring our groups from yahoo and have been very pleased so far with both the results and Mark's support.  However, I discovered something a bit puzzling today.  I was searching for a person whose last name was Holbrooks and, when I enter that entire name, all his records came up.  However, if I just enter Holbrook (without the "s" at the end), it doesn't find any of his records.  That seems very peculiar to me!   What am I missing?  Or perhaps I was spoiled in yahoo where I could enter a truncated version of a name and it would find all entries containing that sequence of letters?"


moderated Re: Date format settings #suggestion

kr402
 


On Feb 12, 2018, at 2:01 PM, Ian Gillis <tessel.bas@...> wrote:

About the only criticism of my transferred former Yahoo group of retired Marconi (UK) engineers was the date format. Absolutely no-one likes mm-dd-yyyy, everyone would be happy with the European dd-mm-yyyy but a fair few would be prepared to accept the ISO 8601 yyyy-mm-dd. I understand that to a US developer mm-dd-yyyy is familiar and doesn't yell "Change Me!" - but to a retired UK engineer it's very irritating and a potential source of schedule errors…

hmmm, what do you propose different for each region?
EG: Ygroups has U.K. groups.
Is the date there 
European dd-mm-yyyy ?


moderated Re: Date format settings #suggestion

 

About the only criticism of my transferred former Yahoo group of retired Marconi (UK) engineers was the date format. Absolutely no-one likes mm-dd-yyyy, everyone would be happy with the European dd-mm-yyyy but a fair few would be prepared to accept the ISO 8601 yyyy-mm-dd. I understand that to a US developer mm-dd-yyyy is familiar and doesn't yell "Change Me!" - but to a retired UK engineer it's very irritating and a potential source of schedule errors…
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______________________________________
 Ian Gillis C Eng MIET


moderated Re: #transfer

 

Southenders Admin

(Please put a ‘Add Hashtag’ drop down in the calendar.  ...)

In the mean time I think you can just add the hashtag(s) you want to the event name.

(Please, the rest of you, don’t shoot me!)

Bang!
Wait, why would I do that?

Shal


moderated Re: #transfer

 

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:30 pm, Southenders Admin wrote:
I really want this to wok, and I think it will.
It's not only going to wok. It's going to wok and roll! 
 
--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: foreign versions of groups.io

 

Thanks, Marina,

You wrote: "There is an invite message in English which, apparently, you can customize.
I thought that I could replace it with a text in Italian, but found out that you can't delete the English text and replace it with another one.
The customized/optional message is inserted automatically in the middle of the original English text, which makes it more confusing."

This of course will not solve the problem. Only the admin could change it then, if I consider this correctly.. All standard (fixed) texts should be replaced; otherwise it really is confusing.

Regards
Victoria

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Marina
Gesendet: Montag, 12. Februar 2018 19:41
An: main@beta.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [beta] foreign versions of groups.io

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 03:13 am, Victoria Caesar wrote:

But I don´t know if there aren´t specially prepared standard texts
(f.e. invitations to old group members), which automatically are sent
by groups.io and therefore are in English? These should definitely be
translated into their mother tongue. Or do I - being the owner -
create these standard texts myself anyway?

Marina


moderated Re: #transfer

Southenders Admin
 

Thanks all, for the helpful advice. 

i have invested many hours to create my test site. I really want this to wok, and I think it will.

and yes, Mark, you have underpriced your service.  And I’m going to take a paid subscription. But I’m going to have to tell my membership that they need the RSVP ‘module’ to explain the cost. (Please put a ‘Add Hashtag’ drop down in the calendar. And add default notification times.)

(Please, the rest of you, don’t shoot me!)


moderated Repeating Events in Calendar Bug

Scott Myers
 

I've noted that once a repeating event is added to the calendar, it will not accept a change.  It must be deleted and you have to reenter to correct the repeating event.


moderated Re: #transfer

Sharon Villines
 

On Feb 12, 2018, at 7:58 AM, Southenders Admin <nnnlriep6@...> wrote:

So I'm nervous. Perhaps I've missed something in the presentation that will allow me to worry less.
This is my response to this problem—I posted it a week or so ago on the GroupManagersForum:

I also went through this when I transferred several groups and am confronting it again as I’m proposing moving a main group and about 10 subgroups. Is this trustworthy?

It’s more than a wing and prayer. Mark Fletcher has a long professional career both in running groups and in other software companies. He has a lifetime of contacts as well was experience in the industry. He has made the judgement that he can and wants to do this. If he finds that he can’t or doesn’t want to, there must be some people who would love to take over, and/or someone else, like GoogleGroups will take over the groups on Groups.io.

The business model is excellent and is in use by many businesses based on open source software. The features that Mark has designed are far superior to any of the other free email services and I have to believe even superior to anything that companies have created for themselves. Big companies are only interested in the basic level of service and features that bring in the most revenue. And the revenue is totally independent of the core of the service — email discussion groups. The company could care less as long as the groups are large enough to produce data they can sell or the number of ads they can attach.

The scaled model of services allows people to try the service and develop their group, then upgrade when they need more. It would be very hard if not impossible to find another service with so many possibilities. When I can, I use services, plugins, etc, that have both free and paid levels. The paid levels not only support the free services but they guarantee that the base is well designed and will be updated regularly. The paid services are added onto the free service so it isn’t a different inferior and neglected service.

Email lists provide many more options that forums, message boards, etc. They are more adaptable to individual needs. Some people have a problem understanding asynchronous communications, but with threaded messages and hashtags, all the messages on one topic are easy to read in chronological order. And as long as the speed is fast, searching in one place for a topic is much easier than searching several forums to find responses to questions that might be posted under one or more subjects. Searching “Lemons” will bring up all the mentions of lemons and the messages excerpts can be easily scanned in order for relevance.

A major plus is the open development model. This is incredibly smart and forward looking. It’s the way software development is moving. Think about big company services. They are closed and unresponsive. It is hard to get any information about how they function that isn’t in the help files — and if you can find where it is located in the help files. The chances of any suggestion being implemented are nil. Open development taps into the best programmers and user interface people out there.

AND, perhaps best of all, Groups.io is about discussion groups exclusively. Groups are not in the position of fighting for time and money with other services. Groups are the focus.

Sharon
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Sharon Villines
TakomaDC@Groups.io


moderated Re: #transfer

 

On 12 Feb 2018 at 14:50, Scott Myers wrote:

It is a much more complex beast and of course, at a much higher
cost.  When it was implemented, we were comparing it to several other
similar systems that compete with Wild Apricot.  It really is an apples
and oranges when comparing to groups.io.
I agree completely. And Wild Apricot is not designed for interactive
discussion groups. It's much more suited for one-way communications,
i.e. broadcast.

--
Jim
Poston@...

<< Mars ain't the kind of place to raise the kids >>


moderated Re: #transfer

Scott Myers
 

I've implemented Wild Apricot with a large club I belong to.  It is really a point of sale system meant for managing memberships, trainings, etc.  It is a much more complex beast and of course, at a much higher cost.  When it was implemented, we were comparing it to several other similar systems that compete with Wild Apricot.  It really is an apples and oranges when comparing to groups.io.

 

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walter Underwood
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 1:51 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] #transfer

 

On Feb 12, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

 

My group wants me to look at wildapricot and a few other pay groups, but I know the Groups has the capability to be all that we need.

I hadn't heard of wild apricot, thanks for the pointer. Looks like Groups.io is underpriced.

 

Wild Apricot provides payments, so that is a different level of features. I looked at it a few years ago for our Boy Scout troop, to handle dues, paying for outings, etc.

 

On the other hand, groups.io provides more features than FastMail and WordPress, the other services I pay for.

 

wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder@...
http://observer.wunderwood.org/  (my blog)

 


moderated Re: #transfer

Walter Underwood
 

On Feb 12, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

My group wants me to look at wildapricot and a few other pay groups, but I know the Groups has the capability to be all that we need.

I hadn't heard of wild apricot, thanks for the pointer. Looks like Groups.io is underpriced.

Wild Apricot provides payments, so that is a different level of features. I looked at it a few years ago for our Boy Scout troop, to handle dues, paying for outings, etc.

On the other hand, groups.io provides more features than FastMail and WordPress, the other services I pay for.

wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder@...
http://observer.wunderwood.org/  (my blog)