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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

Thanks for shooting me, Shal, I needed that. I can put the hashtag in the event name, but my 30 Group Directors, aged 65+, probably will forget to do this. I set message to only allow New Messages with a hashtag, so the drop down list comes down.

But unfortunately, larger issue is that even on a message I created with only a 77KB attachment half an hour ago has not been received.Messages with attachments don't seem to go out, or at least I am not getting a copy of them.

Since the attachment is a description of my hashtag color coding, I'd be happy to post it here to see if anyone gets it in this group, as opposed to what is happening on my created site.

I’ve been working in search for over twenty years and you really, really cannot get 100% specific and 100% sensitive. In search evaluation, those are called “precision” and “recall”. You are lucky to get to 50% on either one. I got the Netflix search working better than that, but that was in a very specific domain, just movies and TV.

There were some long debates about the search function in the past. This is one side of the issue. Before the newest version, the search function would return too much (it was over-sensitive) - for example, if you searched on "diagnosis," it would return diagnosis, diagnostics, diagnosed, etc. etc. etc. It was a big argument to get it to be more specific. I wanted it to be both 100% sensitive and 100% specific but it seems you can't have both given the search software that Mark is using. I agree that it would be better if you could also do the kind of partial search you are asking for here, perhaps by using an asterisk at the end of the search term. But if I had to pick one way (sensitivity or specificity) I'd pick the latter, i.e., the way it is now. It was useless for me, and some others, to have too much returned every time.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

About the only criticism of my transferred former Yahoo group of retired Marconi (UK) engineers was the date format. Absolutely no-one likes mm-dd-yyyy, everyone would be happy with the European dd-mm-yyyy but a fair few would be prepared to accept the ISO 8601 yyyy-mm-dd. I understand that to a US developer mm-dd-yyyy is familiar and doesn't yell "Change Me!" - but to a retired UK engineer it's very irritating and a potential source of schedule errors…
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On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:30 pm, Southenders Admin wrote:

I really want this to wok, and I think it will.

It's not only going to wok. It's going to wok and roll! 
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

Thanks, Marina,

You wrote: "There is an invite message in English which, apparently, you can customize.
I thought that I could replace it with a text in Italian, but found out that you can't delete the English text and replace it with another one.
The customized/optional message is inserted automatically in the middle of the original English text, which makes it more confusing."

This of course will not solve the problem. Only the admin could change it then, if I consider this correctly.. All standard (fixed) texts should be replaced; otherwise it really is confusing.

Regards
Victoria

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Marina
Gesendet: Montag, 12. Februar 2018 19:41
An: main@beta.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [beta] foreign versions of groups.io

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 03:13 am, Victoria Caesar wrote:

But I don´t know if there aren´t specially prepared standard texts
(f.e. invitations to old group members), which automatically are sent
by groups.io and therefore are in English? These should definitely be
translated into their mother tongue. Or do I - being the owner -
create these standard texts myself anyway?

Marina

Thanks all, for the helpful advice. 

i have invested many hours to create my test site. I really want this to wok, and I think it will.

and yes, Mark, you have underpriced your service.  And I’m going to take a paid subscription. But I’m going to have to tell my membership that they need the RSVP ‘module’ to explain the cost. (Please put a ‘Add Hashtag’ drop down in the calendar. And add default notification times.)

(Please, the rest of you, don’t shoot me!)

On Feb 12, 2018, at 7:58 AM, Southenders Admin <nnnlriep6@gmail.com> wrote:

So I'm nervous. Perhaps I've missed something in the presentation that will allow me to worry less.

This is my response to this problem—I posted it a week or so ago on the GroupManagersForum:

I also went through this when I transferred several groups and am confronting it again as I’m proposing moving a main group and about 10 subgroups. Is this trustworthy?

It’s more than a wing and prayer. Mark Fletcher has a long professional career both in running groups and in other software companies. He has a lifetime of contacts as well was experience in the industry. He has made the judgement that he can and wants to do this. If he finds that he can’t or doesn’t want to, there must be some people who would love to take over, and/or someone else, like GoogleGroups will take over the groups on Groups.io.

The business model is excellent and is in use by many businesses based on open source software. The features that Mark has designed are far superior to any of the other free email services and I have to believe even superior to anything that companies have created for themselves. Big companies are only interested in the basic level of service and features that bring in the most revenue. And the revenue is totally independent of the core of the service — email discussion groups. The company could care less as long as the groups are large enough to produce data they can sell or the number of ads they can attach.

The scaled model of services allows people to try the service and develop their group, then upgrade when they need more. It would be very hard if not impossible to find another service with so many possibilities. When I can, I use services, plugins, etc, that have both free and paid levels. The paid levels not only support the free services but they guarantee that the base is well designed and will be updated regularly. The paid services are added onto the free service so it isn’t a different inferior and neglected service.

Email lists provide many more options that forums, message boards, etc. They are more adaptable to individual needs. Some people have a problem understanding asynchronous communications, but with threaded messages and hashtags, all the messages on one topic are easy to read in chronological order. And as long as the speed is fast, searching in one place for a topic is much easier than searching several forums to find responses to questions that might be posted under one or more subjects. Searching “Lemons” will bring up all the mentions of lemons and the messages excerpts can be easily scanned in order for relevance.

A major plus is the open development model. This is incredibly smart and forward looking. It’s the way software development is moving. Think about big company services. They are closed and unresponsive. It is hard to get any information about how they function that isn’t in the help files — and if you can find where it is located in the help files. The chances of any suggestion being implemented are nil. Open development taps into the best programmers and user interface people out there.

AND, perhaps best of all, Groups.io is about discussion groups exclusively. Groups are not in the position of fighting for time and money with other services. Groups are the focus.

Sharon
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TakomaDC@Groups.io

On 12 Feb 2018 at 14:50, Scott Myers wrote:

It is a much more complex beast and of course, at a much higher
cost.  When it was implemented, we were comparing it to several other
similar systems that compete with Wild Apricot.  It really is an apples
and oranges when comparing to groups.io.

I agree completely. And Wild Apricot is not designed for interactive
discussion groups. It's much more suited for one-way communications,
i.e. broadcast.

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Jim
Poston@vch-nv.us

<< Mars ain't the kind of place to raise the kids >>

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 03:13 am, Victoria Caesar wrote:

But I don´t know if there aren´t specially prepared
standard texts (f.e. invitations to old group members), which automatically
are sent by groups.io and therefore are in English? These should definitely be
translated into their mother tongue. Or do I - being the owner - create these
standard texts myself anyway?

There is an invite message in English which, apparently, you can customize.
I thought that I could replace it with a text in Italian, but found out that you can't delete the English text and replace it with another one.
The customized/optional message is inserted automatically in the middle of the original English text, which makes it more confusing.

Marina