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moderated Re: Adding Hashtags to old postings

 

You might want to ask these questions about how to use groups.io in the GMF group. This beta group is only for suggestions about features, not about basics of use. I, and many people, can answer all of these basic questions in the GMF group, including how to add hashtags, how to lock topics, the fact that you *can* edit "old messages,"etc. See you there!
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moderated Re: Adding Hashtags to old postings

 

No, Topics is not locked at all and main screen is always set to Messages when accessing the old messages for editing, and not Topics. After editing I have to change the setting back to Messages before opening another old message. So that it not it at all sorry! Least not on my screen. :)
 
By the way, how do you LOCK Topics on, or Messages for that matter please? This might be a useful tip for some group owners and moderators.
 
Kindest Regards
Tina Barnes

"Helping Those Most in Need Within Our Communities and Beyond "

"Failure is knowing that you can make a difference in someone's life but You CHOOSE not to David L Hill"

 
 
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2017 at 2:02 PM
From: J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...>
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Adding Hashtags to old postings #hashtag #hashtags
I can’t think of why that would be, except for the possibility that you’ve set your group to lock topics (meaning, the messages within them) after a certain length of time? Otherwise, it’s generally possible to edit messages (as well as topics), no matter how old they are.
 
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 25, 2017, at 1:59 AM, Tina <homesteading@...> wrote:
 
Thank you Catlady. As there is only one option to "Edit", that being of 'Edit Topic', when you open an old message I didn't think to mention it, sorry. My bad! I will be more clear next time. :)
 
Kindest Regards
Tina Barnes

"Helping Those Most in Need Within Our Communities and Beyond "

"Failure is knowing that you can make a difference in someone's life but You CHOOSE not to David L Hill"
 
 
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2017 at 5:28 PM
From: J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...>
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Adding Hashtags to old postings #hashtag #hashtags
That’s mostly correct but you have to choose ‘Edit topic,’ not ‘Edit message.’
 
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 25, 2017, at 1:14 AM, Tina <homesteading@...> wrote:
 
Hi Eric,
 
Just click on the message/post to open it, then click 'edit' post. Once you have done that, then you can add the hashtags you need to do just as you do with a new message/post. I am just working my way through our older messages/posts and doing this. It is laborious but well worth the effort put in.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Kindest Regards
Tina Barnes

"Helping Those Most in Need Within Our Communities and Beyond "

"Failure is knowing that you can make a difference in someone's life but You CHOOSE not to David L Hill"
 
 
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 at 10:41 PM
From: "Eric Snyder" <egsnyder@...>
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: [beta] Adding Hashtags to old postings #hashtag #hashtags
I can't figure out how to add new hashtag to old posts.  Any hints?  Or is it not possible?
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I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Adding Hashtags to old postings

 

I can’t think of why that would be, except for the possibility that you’ve set your group to lock topics (meaning, the messages within them) after a certain length of time? Otherwise, it’s generally possible to edit messages (as well as topics), no matter how old they are.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 25, 2017, at 1:59 AM, Tina <homesteading@...> wrote:

Thank you Catlady. As there is only one option to "Edit", that being of 'Edit Topic', when you open an old message I didn't think to mention it, sorry. My bad! I will be more clear next time. :)
 
Kindest Regards
Tina Barnes

"Helping Those Most in Need Within Our Communities and Beyond "

"Failure is knowing that you can make a difference in someone's life but You CHOOSE not to David L Hill"
 
 
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2017 at 5:28 PM
From: J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...>
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Adding Hashtags to old postings #hashtag #hashtags
That’s mostly correct but you have to choose ‘Edit topic,’ not ‘Edit message.’
 
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 25, 2017, at 1:14 AM, Tina <homesteading@...> wrote:
 
Hi Eric,
 
Just click on the message/post to open it, then click 'edit' post. Once you have done that, then you can add the hashtags you need to do just as you do with a new message/post. I am just working my way through our older messages/posts and doing this. It is laborious but well worth the effort put in.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Kindest Regards
Tina Barnes

"Helping Those Most in Need Within Our Communities and Beyond "

"Failure is knowing that you can make a difference in someone's life but You CHOOSE not to David L Hill"
 
 
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 at 10:41 PM
From: "Eric Snyder" <egsnyder@...>
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: [beta] Adding Hashtags to old postings #hashtag #hashtags
I can't figure out how to add new hashtag to old posts.  Any hints?  Or is it not possible?
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--
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Adding Hashtags to old postings

 

Thank you Catlady. As there is only one option to "Edit", that being of 'Edit Topic', when you open an old message I didn't think to mention it, sorry. My bad! I will be more clear next time. :)
 
Kindest Regards
Tina Barnes

"Helping Those Most in Need Within Our Communities and Beyond "

"Failure is knowing that you can make a difference in someone's life but You CHOOSE not to David L Hill"

 
 
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2017 at 5:28 PM
From: J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...>
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Adding Hashtags to old postings #hashtag #hashtags
That’s mostly correct but you have to choose ‘Edit topic,’ not ‘Edit message.’
 
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 25, 2017, at 1:14 AM, Tina <homesteading@...> wrote:
 
Hi Eric,
 
Just click on the message/post to open it, then click 'edit' post. Once you have done that, then you can add the hashtags you need to do just as you do with a new message/post. I am just working my way through our older messages/posts and doing this. It is laborious but well worth the effort put in.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Kindest Regards
Tina Barnes

"Helping Those Most in Need Within Our Communities and Beyond "

"Failure is knowing that you can make a difference in someone's life but You CHOOSE not to David L Hill"
 
 
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 at 10:41 PM
From: "Eric Snyder" <egsnyder@...>
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: [beta] Adding Hashtags to old postings #hashtag #hashtags
I can't figure out how to add new hashtag to old posts.  Any hints?  Or is it not possible?
--
 
Eric Snyder
recessions.worth.airstrikes
p: (613) 656-4111  m: (613) 862-4111
w: snyderthorn.com  e: Eric@...
   

--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Adding Hashtags to old postings

 

That’s mostly correct but you have to choose ‘Edit topic,’ not ‘Edit message.’

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 25, 2017, at 1:14 AM, Tina <homesteading@...> wrote:

Hi Eric,
 
Just click on the message/post to open it, then click 'edit' post. Once you have done that, then you can add the hashtags you need to do just as you do with a new message/post. I am just working my way through our older messages/posts and doing this. It is laborious but well worth the effort put in.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Kindest Regards
Tina Barnes

"Helping Those Most in Need Within Our Communities and Beyond "

"Failure is knowing that you can make a difference in someone's life but You CHOOSE not to David L Hill"
 
 
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 at 10:41 PM
From: "Eric Snyder" <egsnyder@...>
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: [beta] Adding Hashtags to old postings #hashtag #hashtags
I can't figure out how to add new hashtag to old posts.  Any hints?  Or is it not possible?
--
 
Eric Snyder
recessions.worth.airstrikes
p: (613) 656-4111  m: (613) 862-4111
w: snyderthorn.com  e: Eric@...
   

--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Adding Hashtags to old postings

 

Hi Eric,
 
Just click on the message/post to open it, then click 'edit' post. Once you have done that, then you can add the hashtags you need to do just as you do with a new message/post. I am just working my way through our older messages/posts and doing this. It is laborious but well worth the effort put in.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Kindest Regards
Tina Barnes

"Helping Those Most in Need Within Our Communities and Beyond "

"Failure is knowing that you can make a difference in someone's life but You CHOOSE not to David L Hill"

 
 
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 at 10:41 PM
From: "Eric Snyder" <egsnyder@...>
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: [beta] Adding Hashtags to old postings #hashtag #hashtags
I can't figure out how to add new hashtag to old posts.  Any hints?  Or is it not possible?
--
 
Eric Snyder
recessions.worth.airstrikes
p: (613) 656-4111  m: (613) 862-4111
w: snyderthorn.com  e: Eric@...
   


moderated Re: Images in message signatures

Donald Hellen
 

Mark,

This might have an added benefit for your servers, reducing needed
storage. If it did, it would keep costs down for the platform.

Donald

On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 13:31:38 -0800, "Shal Farley" <shals2nd@gmail.com>
wrote:

Mark,

A couple group admins in GMF have noticed that their groups' Emailed
Photos albums have become stuffed with multiple copies of images from
members' email signatures - over 670 in one case, over 36,000 in another!
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/7704553

The fact that the images are shown in the Emailed Photos album is a
problem in that it clutters that album to the point that it is useless
for finding other photos.

Another concern is the storage used. My belief is that having them
listed in the Emailed Photos album does not itself consume any extra of
the group's storage quota. That is, the storage was allocated to
preserve the image as seen in the message in the Messages archive;
showing it also in Emailed Photos album did not require an additional
copy of the image. That said, and even given that images in signatures
tend to be small files, if a group accumulates many thousands of them
the storage cost could add up beyond insignificance and might eventually
risk putting the group over its quota.

The first response was a wish that bulk delete had already been
implemented. cf:
https://trello.com/c/DtJTcUrg/233-better-way-of-bulk-deletion-of-photos-both-of-emailed-photos-and-regular-photos

However, in the face of 36,000 copies even that would be insufficient
unless it has an automatic way of selecting just the photos matching one
of them.

*1) Remediation. *Provide a means to manually select one photo in an
album and have the system find and select all matching photos as targets
of a subsequent a bulk action.  Note, for this purpose I believe an
exact match of the image file to be sufficient - it isn't necessary, or
even desirable, to have a perceptual (or "looks like") match.

*1a) Action: delete.* I'm imagining that this action must not only
remove the image files, but also their slots in the Emailed Photos album
and do something with each source message to avoid leaving a broken
reference.

*1b) Action: consolidate.* This would be more subtle. This would leave
behind a single copy of the image file, deleting the rest. I imagine
that the source messages would have to be updated to point to this
single copy in place of the deleted copies.

Handling this case in the Emailed Photos album is a bit trickier.

Where does the one remaining album entry sort? For Posted date the
obvious choices are: at the date of the manually selected target, at the
date of the oldest copy, at the date of the newest copy. I'm inclined to
take the oldest copy as the best of those choices. For sort by Taken
date they copies would perforce all have the same Taken date - or more
likely no such date at all (no EXIF data). Name sort is trickier, as the
names may be somewhat arbitrary, but again I think the name of the
oldest copy is likely a good enough answer.

Also, what of the Message button? Would it in any scenario be useful for
that to invoke an advanced message search for all the messages that
contain the consolidated image?
I can almost imagine a group admin wanting a way to find them all. If
not that, then I imagine having it bring you to the oldest message would
be the best answer.

*2) On-going maintenance.* Whatever remediation (1) is taken, the group
admins still face an on-going chore of repeating the consolidation or
deletion on a regular basis; as fresh messages cause the images to build
up again.

To avoid this, it would be desirable for the system to compare the
images in incoming messages against those which have been consolidated
(1b) and consolidate the new image as well. If the action taken was
deletion (1a) there isn't a remaining copy to compare against the
incoming images, and it isn't clear that the group managers would want
to set up an automatic deletion in any case.

*3) Fully automatic.* As an alternative to (1), it would be possible to
automatically detect a repeated image file as each new message is
received. This, combined with a one-time pass over the existing message
archives, would make the consolidation feature completely automatic,
requiring no effort from the group admins.

The matching could be restricted to messages from this member, to reduce
the search space and keep the added processing time to a minimum.

Shal
The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who
speak it. --George Orwell


moderated Images in message signatures

 

Mark,

A couple group admins in GMF have noticed that their groups' Emailed Photos albums have become stuffed with multiple copies of images from members' email signatures - over 670 in one case, over 36,000 in another!
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/7704553

The fact that the images are shown in the Emailed Photos album is a problem in that it clutters that album to the point that it is useless for finding other photos.

Another concern is the storage used. My belief is that having them listed in the Emailed Photos album does not itself consume any extra of the group's storage quota. That is, the storage was allocated to preserve the image as seen in the message in the Messages archive; showing it also in Emailed Photos album did not require an additional copy of the image. That said, and even given that images in signatures tend to be small files, if a group accumulates many thousands of them the storage cost could add up beyond insignificance and might eventually risk putting the group over its quota.

The first response was a wish that bulk delete had already been implemented. cf:
https://trello.com/c/DtJTcUrg/233-better-way-of-bulk-deletion-of-photos-both-of-emailed-photos-and-regular-photos

However, in the face of 36,000 copies even that would be insufficient unless it has an automatic way of selecting just the photos matching one of them.

1) Remediation. Provide a means to manually select one photo in an album and have the system find and select all matching photos as targets of a subsequent a bulk action.  Note, for this purpose I believe an exact match of the image file to be sufficient - it isn't necessary, or even desirable, to have a perceptual (or "looks like") match.

1a) Action: delete. I'm imagining that this action must not only remove the image files, but also their slots in the Emailed Photos album and do something with each source message to avoid leaving a broken reference.

1b) Action: consolidate. This would be more subtle. This would leave behind a single copy of the image file, deleting the rest. I imagine that the source messages would have to be updated to point to this single copy in place of the deleted copies.

Handling this case in the Emailed Photos album is a bit trickier.

Where does the one remaining album entry sort? For Posted date the obvious choices are: at the date of the manually selected target, at the date of the oldest copy, at the date of the newest copy. I'm inclined to take the oldest copy as the best of those choices. For sort by Taken date they copies would perforce all have the same Taken date - or more likely no such date at all (no EXIF data). Name sort is trickier, as the names may be somewhat arbitrary, but again I think the name of the oldest copy is likely a good enough answer.

Also, what of the Message button? Would it in any scenario be useful for that to invoke an advanced message search for all the messages that contain the consolidated image?
I can almost imagine a group admin wanting a way to find them all. If not that, then I imagine having it bring you to the oldest message would be the best answer.

2) On-going maintenance. Whatever remediation (1) is taken, the group admins still face an on-going chore of repeating the consolidation or deletion on a regular basis; as fresh messages cause the images to build up again.

To avoid this, it would be desirable for the system to compare the images in incoming messages against those which have been consolidated (1b) and consolidate the new image as well. If the action taken was deletion (1a) there isn't a remaining copy to compare against the incoming images, and it isn't clear that the group managers would want to set up an automatic deletion in any case.

3) Fully automatic. As an alternative to (1), it would be possible to automatically detect a repeated image file as each new message is received. This, combined with a one-time pass over the existing message archives, would make the consolidation feature completely automatic, requiring no effort from the group admins.

The matching could be restricted to messages from this member, to reduce the search space and keep the added processing time to a minimum.

Shal


moderated Re: Adding Hashtags to old postings

 

p.s. Use "More" and then "Edit Topic" at the bottom.

On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 8:44 AM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
You can only add it to a topic, not an individual message, because a hashtag belongs to the topic as a whole. You would do it by changing the subject line, either by hand or by using the "add tag" dropdown. You can't add a hashtag by changing the subject line of an email. It has to be done on the web.

On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 6:41 AM, Eric Snyder <egsnyder@...> wrote:
I can't figure out how to add new hashtag to old posts.  Any hints?  Or is it not possible?
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu



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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Adding Hashtags to old postings

 

You can only add it to a topic, not an individual message, because a hashtag belongs to the topic as a whole. You would do it by changing the subject line, either by hand or by using the "add tag" dropdown. You can't add a hashtag by changing the subject line of an email. It has to be done on the web.

On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 6:41 AM, Eric Snyder <egsnyder@...> wrote:
I can't figure out how to add new hashtag to old posts.  Any hints?  Or is it not possible?
--



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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Adding Hashtags to old postings

 

I can't figure out how to add new hashtag to old posts.  Any hints?  Or is it not possible?
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moderated Re: Suggestion: Variations in livery colours between Main and Sub groups

Matty Smith <mattysmith.smith@...>
 

Hi
@ Duane - yes, being able to change that light grey bar colour would be a good solution.
@Bob - yes, I can see that the light grey bar carries a clear text statement of location (Main or SubGroup). However, given the power of colour over straight text, having a variable in the Admin that not only allows different banners for Mains or Sub Groups, but also allows for the colour of either the top blue bar or the lower light grey bar to be changed, would be an added, and I think, more powerful, indicator of location.
Thanks
Matty


moderated Re: Suggestion: Variations in livery colours between Main and Sub groups

Bob Bellizzi
 

I'm at a loss to understand why the need to change the color per group, sub group, etc.
Immediately below the blue stripe, very clearly, on both mobile small screen and desktop screens is the group identity.
In the current case both screens on my devices it says "main at beta.groups.io" followed by "Messages"
The only time it goes away is when one scrolls down the content.
Our's is a group with a high percentage of low vision, but not completely blind people, among our almost 3500 members.
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Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: link to member page from a pending message @suggestion

 

Either this was there before or Mark has added it at a speed faster than light. :) I just noticed it this morning. Either way, thanks, Mark!
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I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Suggestion: Variations in livery colours between Main and Sub groups

Duane
 

Since the blue bar is basically a site summary for you, maybe allow changing the color of the light gray bar, just below it on most pages, that contains the group name?

Duane


moderated Suggestion: Variations in livery colours between Main and Sub groups

Matty Smith <mattysmith.smith@...>
 

I belive this has been discussed already but I am nit sure what the outcome has been.
In exploring possible adoption of Groups.io as an alternative to Yahoo! we are struck by how difficult it is to maintain awareness of which Groups.io we are in - the Main or the SubGroup - because they both have an identical interface.
The facility to change the blue highlight colour to a different one for sub groups would be really helpful, Is this being worked on as a possible future update?
Thanks
Matty


moderated Images to pictures

Marv Waschke
 

I don’t really have a group with grio yet, but I’ve been following the discussion on mass deletes from Photos. It appears that the underlying problem is that placing all images in posts in the Photos folder is not desirable for some groups. I think my group would prefer not to have images automatically added to Photos. I can see this becoming an issue. Could automatic inclusion in Photos of images from posts be made an opt out setting? Thanks, Marv Waschke


moderated Re: link to member page from a pending message @suggestion

 


moderated Re: link to member page from a pending message @suggestion

Jujube <ellaxyu@...>
 

I think this should be doable. Great idea!

On 12/21/17, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@gmail.com> wrote:
It's great that we can now go directly to the member page (via "more") from
a posted message. I don't know how hard this would be to do, but if simple,
it would be super convenient to also be able to go to the member page from a
pending message.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated link to member page from a pending message @suggestion

 

It's great that we can now go directly to the member page (via "more") from a posted message. I don't know how hard this would be to do, but if simple, it would be super convenient to also be able to go to the member page from a pending message.
--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

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