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moderated Re: Email address privacy - wishlist #suggestion

 

Dave

That's why the word optional appears in my proposals! I'm not suggesting
that every user in every group is forced to be anonymous. I'd just like the
capability to be there for those who want or need it.

As for contacting people off the list, I thought item 3 covered that pretty
adequately.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Sergeant
Sent: 21 November 2017 18:43
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] #suggestion Email address privacy - wishlist

I have seen these arguments developing on the GMF list. I strongly oppose
any such suggestions. For those members who largely use groups via email
knowing the email of the sender is absolutely necessary so that others can
contact them off list. One of my Yahoogroups is specifically set for default
replies to go directly to the sender (which is something you can define in
Yahoogroups). In particular your proposal that even moderators cannot see
emails is a non starter - in our private group we need to associate their
email address with their club membership email before we allow them to join.
Moderators absolutely need to know the email address of all members.

I can see the reason in hiding addresses via the web access - that is so
that spam robots do not find them. But for all other purposes a working and
known email is essential for all my groups.

Dave

On 21 Nov 2017 at 17:37, Richard L King wrote:

Following on from a discussion on the GMF, I'd like to make some
suggestions that in my opinion would improve users' privacy with
regard to their email addresses.



What follows is a simple list of requirements that I feel groups.io
could comply with. I'm not proposing any particular means of
implementing them, though I'm happy to contribute to assessing the
best way to do so.



1. Members to be able to declare that they wish to remain anonymous,
meaning that other members (even moderators and owners) cannot
discover their email address by any means. [I realise of course that
there will always be some people who have complete access to
everything, particularly those who run and maintain the databases, but
they are not normal members and one has to presume that they are
trustworthy.]



2. A group-level policy option that all members are to remain
anonymous in this way.



3. A means for members to contact other members privately without
needing to know their email address.



4. A means for members to declare that they do not want to be
contacted privately under any circumstances.



5. Overriding 4, a means for moderators to contact members regardless
of their preference, again without needing to know the member's email
address.



Richard


http://davesergeant.com


moderated Re: Email address privacy - wishlist #suggestion

 

That’s exactly why item 5. is there. I too have suffered this problem with unruly anonymous members when my group was on Yahoo, and there was no way to quietly rap them over the knuckles without doing it publicly, which I very much don’t like to do.

 

 

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 21 November 2017 18:34
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] #suggestion Email address privacy - wishlist

 

 



On Nov 21, 2017, at 9:37 AM, Richard L King <rlking@...> wrote:

 

1. Members to be able to declare that they wish to remain anonymous, meaning that other members (even moderators and owners) cannot discover their email address by any means. [

I disagree with this 100 percent. I think the mods and owners should have access to *all* members info, or at least email addresses. This way if they are braking any list policies and guidelines they should be notified as such. As a list owner I find I need to sometimes contact people if they are straying too off topic or just beeing nasty on my lists, which is rare, still though.

 

Take care


moderated Re: Email address privacy - wishlist #suggestion

Dave Sergeant
 

I have seen these arguments developing on the GMF list. I strongly
oppose any such suggestions. For those members who largely use groups
via email knowing the email of the sender is absolutely necessary so
that others can contact them off list. One of my Yahoogroups is
specifically set for default replies to go directly to the sender
(which is something you can define in Yahoogroups). In particular your
proposal that even moderators cannot see emails is a non starter - in
our private group we need to associate their email address with their
club membership email before we allow them to join. Moderators
absolutely need to know the email address of all members.

I can see the reason in hiding addresses via the web access - that is
so that spam robots do not find them. But for all other purposes a
working and known email is essential for all my groups.

Dave

On 21 Nov 2017 at 17:37, Richard L King wrote:

Following on from a discussion on the GMF, I'd like to make some
suggestions that in my opinion would improve users' privacy with regard
to their email addresses.



What follows is a simple list of requirements that I feel groups.io
could comply with. I'm not proposing any particular means of
implementing them, though I'm happy to contribute to assessing the best
way to do so.



1. Members to be able to declare that they wish to remain anonymous,
meaning that other members (even moderators and owners) cannot discover
their email address by any means. [I realise of course that there will
always be some people who have complete access to everything,
particularly those who run and maintain the databases, but they are not
normal members and one has to presume that they are trustworthy.]



2. A group-level policy option that all members are to remain anonymous
in this way.



3. A means for members to contact other members privately without
needing to know their email address.



4. A means for members to declare that they do not want to be contacted
privately under any circumstances.



5. Overriding 4, a means for moderators to contact members regardless of
their preference, again without needing to know the member's email
address.



Richard


http://davesergeant.com


moderated Re: Email address privacy - wishlist #suggestion

Sarah k Alawami
 



On Nov 21, 2017, at 9:37 AM, Richard L King <rlking@...> wrote:

1. Members to be able to declare that they wish to remain anonymous, meaning that other members (even moderators and owners) cannot discover their email address by any means. [
I disagree with this 100 percent. I think the mods and owners should have access to *all* members info, or at least email addresses. This way if they are braking any list policies and guidelines they should be notified as such. As a list owner I find I need to sometimes contact people if they are straying too off topic or just beeing nasty on my lists, which is rare, still though.

Take care


moderated Re: Email address privacy - wishlist #suggestion

Jujube <ellaxyu@...>
 

The only problem is that your email address can only be hidden on the website.

On 11/21/17, Ella Yu <ellaxyu@gmail.com> wrote:
I love this proposal.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard L King" <rlking@aultan.com
To: main@beta.groups.io
Date sent: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:37:25 -0000
Subject: [beta] #suggestion Email address privacy - wishlist

Following on from a discussion on the GMF, I'd like to make some
suggestions
that in my opinion would improve users' privacy with regard to
their email
addresses.



What follows is a simple list of requirements that I feel
groups.io could
comply with. I'm not proposing any particular means of
implementing them,
though I'm happy to contribute to assessing the best way to do
so.



1. Members to be able to declare that they wish to remain
anonymous, meaning
that other members (even moderators and owners) cannot discover
their email
address by any means. [I realise of course that there will
always be some
people who have complete access to everything, particularly those
who run
and maintain the databases, but they are not normal members and
one has to
presume that they are trustworthy.]



2. A group-level policy option that all members are to remain
anonymous in
this way.



3. A means for members to contact other members privately
without needing to
know their email address.



4. A means for members to declare that they do not want to be
contacted
privately under any circumstances.



5. Overriding 4, a means for moderators to contact members
regardless of
their preference, again without needing to know the member's
email address.



Richard



moderated Re: Email address privacy - wishlist #suggestion

Jujube <ellaxyu@...>
 

I love this proposal.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard L King" <rlking@aultan.com
To: main@beta.groups.io
Date sent: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:37:25 -0000
Subject: [beta] #suggestion Email address privacy - wishlist

Following on from a discussion on the GMF, I'd like to make some suggestions
that in my opinion would improve users' privacy with regard to their email
addresses.



What follows is a simple list of requirements that I feel groups.io could
comply with. I'm not proposing any particular means of implementing them,
though I'm happy to contribute to assessing the best way to do so.



1. Members to be able to declare that they wish to remain anonymous, meaning
that other members (even moderators and owners) cannot discover their email
address by any means. [I realise of course that there will always be some
people who have complete access to everything, particularly those who run
and maintain the databases, but they are not normal members and one has to
presume that they are trustworthy.]



2. A group-level policy option that all members are to remain anonymous in
this way.



3. A means for members to contact other members privately without needing to
know their email address.



4. A means for members to declare that they do not want to be contacted
privately under any circumstances.



5. Overriding 4, a means for moderators to contact members regardless of
their preference, again without needing to know the member's email address.



Richard


moderated Email address privacy - wishlist #suggestion

 

Following on from a discussion on the GMF, I’d like to make some suggestions that in my opinion would improve users’ privacy with regard to their email addresses.

 

What follows is a simple list of requirements that I feel groups.io could comply with. I’m not proposing any particular means of implementing them, though I’m happy to contribute to assessing the best way to do so.

 

1. Members to be able to declare that they wish to remain anonymous, meaning that other members (even moderators and owners) cannot discover their email address by any means. [I realise of course that there will always be some people who have complete access to everything, particularly those who run and maintain the databases, but they are not normal members and one has to presume that they are trustworthy.]

 

2. A group-level policy option that all members are to remain anonymous in this way.

 

3. A means for members to contact other members privately without needing to know their email address.

 

4. A means for members to declare that they do not want to be contacted privately under any circumstances.

 

5. Overriding 4, a means for moderators to contact members regardless of their preference, again without needing to know the member's email address.

 

Richard


moderated Beta team!

Bob Edenhofer <bob.edenhofer@...>
 

Hi Mike! I love being on the beta team so I can help you guys out with accessibility for screenreaders, I’ll have my skype up, if you want to call me.


moderated Re: Accessibility with screenreaders

Sarah k Alawami
 

I agree. And any accessibility issues I have reported  have ben fixed with in hours. I'm not joking. The staff are wonderful over at groups.io and I really applaud them for making such a wonderful service. I run two lists on there and no user complaints or problems so far.. Thanks for a wonderful service and wonderful customer service.

Take care all and have a happy Saturday.

For an android list in the making where android apps, accessibility, phones and development can be discussed  subscribe send a blank email to
and follow the prompts.
to visit the subgroups  and subscribe (note you must be subscribed to the main group as well) visit the following URL:

On Nov 18, 2017, at 8:24 PM, Bob Bellizzi <cdfexec@...> wrote:

I moved our group from Yahoo about 18 months ago and groups.io is probably the most accessible special purpose operation I have found for windows.
I've not had to make any accomodations.
--

Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation



moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • BUGFIX: Fixed email subscription process for some Enterprise sub groups.
  • SYSADMIN: Changed the messages and activities tables autovaccuum scale factor to 0.00.
  • CHANGE: When visiting a /leave link for someone else, display an error message and an option to log out.
  • NEW: Added 'Member Page' option to 'More' menu and dropdown when viewing messages.
  • BUGFIX: Fixed subjects for new member notices to match new terminology.
  • BUGFIX: For member notices with HTML links that have text that is the same as the link itself, don't display it double when converting it to plain text.
  • NEW: Generate name tags for people who have RSVPed Yes to an event.

Due to the holiday, there will be no #changelog next week.

Have a good weekend everybody.

Mark


moderated Re: Beta team

Michael Capelle <mcapelle@...>
 

i do remeember you and i will be more than happy to help allof you make this site a bigger and much better one.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Armando" <armando.elevatorfan@icloud.com>
To: <main@beta.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Beta team


Hello and welcome to the group. You probably remember me.

--
"Advocating for the sighted to understand blindness."
Website: https://blindnessawarenessandmore.wordpress.com
Like my page on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/blindnessawarenessandmore
My Facebook Page: www.facebook.com/armando.vias
Armando
Google Voice: (478) 569-7111
Email: armando.l.vias@gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone 6s

On Nov 18, 2017, at 7:49 AM, Bob Edenhofer <bob.edenhofer@gmail.com> wrote:

Mike Capelle! I’m on the beta team with you now! now I can help make certain parts of the website accessible with screanreaders!


moderated Re: Accessibility with screenreaders

Bob Bellizzi
 

I moved our group from Yahoo about 18 months ago and groups.io is probably the most accessible special purpose operation I have found for windows.
I've not had to make any accomodations.
--

Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Beta team

Armando <armando.elevatorfan@...>
 

Hello and welcome to the group. You probably remember me.

--
"Advocating for the sighted to understand blindness."
My Facebook Page: www.facebook.com/armando.vias
Armando
Google Voice: (478) 569-7111

Sent from my iPhone 6s

On Nov 18, 2017, at 7:49 AM, Bob Edenhofer <bob.edenhofer@...> wrote:

Mike Capelle! I’m on the beta team with you now! now I can help make certain parts of the website accessible with screanreaders!


moderated Re: find member activity by clicking on member link in post #suggestion

 

Mark,  

I can't begin to tell you how convenient this has made things. There are even some uses I hadn't thought of before. For example, I can now very easily go in and update the person's cat's diagnosis/progress with a short summary in their notes page as soon as they post a new message. I no longer have to slog back through dozens and dozens of threads and messages to find out the cat's status and the latest developments. So this is a huge win. Thanks.
--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Accessibility with screenreaders

Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

The site is very accessible using Windows as well.

On Nov 18, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually for me, most of the groups.io site is very much accessible using my mac and safari. I hope that accessibility can be brought to the same level using windows. I have not yet tested it under that OS as of yet. Iv'e only ben a groups.io mod for a few months now and I have to say I'm 100 percent hope with the accessibility.

On Nov 18, 2017, at 8:26 AM, Bob Edenhofer <bob.edenhofer@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Mike, I also have a suggestion for my team mates, I’ve noticed, that sometimes, we half to use NVDA, for certain checkboxes and radio buttons. For example, for the checkbox that says billing, jaws recognizes as notifications, and NVDA recognizes it as billing! so jaws is confused about the checkboxes and radio buttons, and it gets flaky with the roll combo box.


moderated Re: Accessibility with screenreaders

Michael Capelle <mcapelle@...>
 

yes, it is very accessible with both NVDA, my primary screen reader, and system access.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com>
To: <main@beta.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Accessibility with screenreaders


Actually for me, most of the groups.io site is very much accessible using my mac and safari. I hope that accessibility can be brought to the same level using windows. I have not yet tested it under that OS as of yet. Iv'e only ben a groups.io mod for a few months now and I have to say I'm 100 percent hope with the accessibility.

On Nov 18, 2017, at 8:26 AM, Bob Edenhofer <bob.edenhofer@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Mike, I also have a suggestion for my team mates, I’ve noticed, that sometimes, we half to use NVDA, for certain checkboxes and radio buttons. For example, for the checkbox that says billing, jaws recognizes as notifications, and NVDA recognizes it as billing! so jaws is confused about the checkboxes and radio buttons, and it gets flaky with the roll combo box.


moderated Re: Accessibility with screenreaders

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually for me, most of the groups.io site is very much accessible using my mac and safari. I hope that accessibility can be brought to the same level using windows. I have not yet tested it  under that OS as of yet. Iv'e only ben a groups.io  mod for a few months now and I have to say I'm 100 percent hope with the accessibility.

On Nov 18, 2017, at 8:26 AM, Bob Edenhofer <bob.edenhofer@...> wrote:

Hi Mike, I also have a suggestion for my team mates, I’ve noticed, that sometimes, we half to use NVDA, for certain checkboxes and radio buttons. For example, for the checkbox that says billing, jaws recognizes as notifications, and NVDA recognizes it as billing! so jaws is confused about the checkboxes and radio buttons, and it gets flaky with the roll combo box.


moderated Re: Beta team

Jujube <ellaxyu@...>
 

Great to hear.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Edenhofer" <bob.edenhofer@gmail.com
To: main@beta.groups.io
Date sent: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 07:49:35 -0500
Subject: [beta] Beta team

Mike Capelle! I�셫 on the beta team with you now! now I can help make certain parts of the website accessible with screanreaders!


moderated Accessibility with screenreaders

Bob Edenhofer <bob.edenhofer@...>
 

Hi Mike, I also have a suggestion for my team mates, I’ve noticed, that sometimes, we half to use NVDA, for certain checkboxes and radio buttons. For example, for the checkbox that says billing, jaws recognizes as notifications, and NVDA recognizes it as billing! so jaws is confused about the checkboxes and radio buttons, and it gets flaky with the roll combo box.


moderated Re: Beta team

Michael Capelle <mcapelle@...>
 

awsome, ia m glad u r on here.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Edenhofer" <bob.edenhofer@gmail.com>
To: <main@beta.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 6:49 AM
Subject: [beta] Beta team


Mike Capelle! I’m on the beta team with you now! now I can help make certain parts of the website accessible with screanreaders!

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