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moderated Re: disable members deleting posts #suggestion

 

I also think a responsible moderator will delete someone's post upon request, if the request makes sense. Today someone deleted their post in my group within a contentious conversation that people had already commented on (and which I had already put under moderation), and it caused a complete disconnect in the conversation. I had to go in and do damage control, but discovered that thankfully, the person responding to them had incorporated the deleted post into their reply. It was still a weird situation. And of course, now that thread can't be moderated. It's lost.
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moderated Re: disable members deleting posts #suggestion

 

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 09:50 am, Shal Farley wrote:
I think it is more of a moral right.
But it doesn't really exist. The post may be incorporation by quotation into a reply, and then it's there for good. What real good does it do to allow deletion of the post itself?

I also disagree with the "moral right." There's no moral right to take back the sent email. Etc.

Truthfully, if this hole vis-a-vis locking and moderation could be fixed, I would not be arguing so strongly about this. But it's now disruptive on several fronts when someone deletes a post.
 
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moderated Re: disable members deleting posts #suggestion

 

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 09:16 am, Duane wrote:
can a post be deleted by the poster if the thread is locked
Yes.
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: disable members deleting posts #suggestion

 

J,

Members have discovered locking and moderation subversion by deleting
a post. I realize (I think?) that your position is that members have
some sort of legal right to delete their posts, but I'm not sure
about that.
I think it is more of a moral right.

I would prefer that Groups.io follow Yahoo Groups' lead on this issue, and claim only a limited license to use the members' content - specifically one that expires when the member decides to withdraw their content.

In that way the member's right to delete their own contributions would be established in the TOS.

Shal

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moderated Re: disable members deleting posts #suggestion

 

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 09:16 am, Duane wrote:
If there were a way to prevent deletion of the entire post (which I disagree with), then I think it should also be mandatory that they be able to delete their content from it by editing
Based on what? The more I think about this, the more I think there's not even a legal grounds for allowing people to remove or edit their posts. First, they give groups.io (non-exclusive) rights the moment they publish their message. Second, their message is often duplicated in the replies of others, and those can't be removed by the person whose post is quoted. So on what basis should people be allowed to remove their posts?
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Scheduled maintenance, Fri, 11/3/17 9:00pm-10:00pm #downtime #cal-reminder

 

Robert,

Whazup? Is this for real? The description is Greek, or is it geek?
The down time tomorrow (Friday) night is for real. As is the question of when that is in your time zone.

You have questions, in Group Help[1] and Group Managers Forum[2] we have answers. Or at least opinions. Feel free to ask about group calendars and time zones in one of those two groups.

[1]https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
[2]https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum

If it is the description of why the site will be down that has you puzzled we can take a stab at that too, but it doesn't really matter to us who simply use Groups.io - suffice it to say "for maintenance".

Shal


moderated Re: disable members deleting posts #suggestion

Duane
 

If there were a way to prevent deletion of the entire post (which I disagree with), then I think it should also be mandatory that they be able to delete their content from it by editing. That would mean that Delete and Edit would be mutually exclusive, so you'd have to decide which is more important.

As an aside, can a post be deleted by the poster if the thread is locked? I haven't had a chance to test this, but it would make sense to me that a locked thread should be just that - locked - and no changes could be made except by a moderator. In that case, the poster could contact a moderator and ask that the content be removed, but you could leave the post in place with an explanation.

Duane


moderated Re: Scheduled maintenance, Fri, 11/3/17 9:00pm-10:00pm #downtime #cal-reminder

Robert Schechter
 

Whazup? Is this for real? The description is Greek, or is it geek?

 

 

 


moderated disable members deleting posts #suggestion

 

Mark,

Members have discovered locking and moderation subversion by deleting a post. I realize (I think?) that your position is that members have some sort of legal right to delete their posts, but I'm not sure about that. (They can't delete posts in some other forums, notably the news outlets and craigslist, and some others I know of.) Their emails are still around and are not being deleted. I would prefer it if in a group where editing posts is disabled, deletion could also be disabled. There's not much difference, to my mind. If we/you can prevent  members from editing their copyrighted creations, we should be able to stop them from deleting them as well.

I didn't mind this lack so much until I became acutely aware of the hole created by deletion, through which both moderation and locking can be undone. And it's precisely in a locked or moderated thread where someone may wish to delete their post.

I hope you will give this further consideration.

Thanks.

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Scheduled maintenance, Fri, 11/3/17 9:00pm-10:00pm #downtime #cal-reminder

 

Dave,

As I said last time can we please quote these times in GMT. It is hard
to get my head round things when they are quoted in the strange
timescale GMT-0700.
Mark could use GMT when creating maintenance events, and thus cause the reminders to say +00:00, but I wouldn't want to change the reminder feature to always express times in GMT (or UTC+00:00).

To follow international standards the Reminder should say UTC-07:00, so in that sense it is "strange". But writing times with an offset from universal time (whether called GMT or UTC) is a standard usage, and should not be seen as "strange" in the context of any world-wide organization.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC_offset

Having the Event time and Timezone specified separately is a useful feature for events that happen a physical location. That way the time is expressed in the local time you would be in, were you attending the event. It is the same reason your airplane tickets always specify departure and arrival times in the local time of the respective airport.

I see it is correctly quoted as 4am-5am Saturday in the calendar.
Yes the calendar, like the rest of the Groups.io pages (but not including user content), shows you times in your own time zone based on the Time Zone preference in your Account. So I, being in a different time zone than you, see it is correctly quoted as 9:00pm to 10:00pm in the calendar.

...

By the way, anyone interested in torturing the calendar (or their heads), the U.S. Daylight Savings "fall back" is coming up this Sunday, November 5th. I've put an event in my test group for next Monday, with reminders to be sent tomorrow and Sunday. Those situations bedeviled Yahoo Groups calendars - I'm not sure they ever got it right (I gave up noticing).

Shal

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moderated Re: Scheduled maintenance, Fri, 11/3/17 9:00pm-10:00pm #downtime #cal-reminder

Dave Sergeant
 

As I said last time can we please quote these times in GMT. It is hard
to get my head round things when they are quoted in the strange
timescale GMT-0700. I take it it is some time Saturday early morning
here in the UK.

I see it is correctly quoted as 4am-5am Saturday in the calendar.

Dave

On 1 Nov 2017 at 21:00, main@beta.groups.io Calendar wrote:

"Scheduled maintenance" Reminder

When: Friday, 3 November 2017
9:00pm to 10:00pm
(GMT-07:00) America/Los Angeles
Description: Linode has informed me that the hardware running one of our instances needs to be upgraded and that our instance needs to be migrated to another machine. Because this instance is pretty critical for the site, I need to take the site down to do the migration. I expect the downtime to last less than an hour. I will put a banner up on the site the day of the downtime.

http://davesergeant.com


moderated Scheduled maintenance, Fri, 11/3/17 9:00pm-10:00pm #downtime #cal-reminder

main@beta.groups.io Calendar <main@...>
 

Reminder:
Scheduled maintenance

When:
Friday, 3 November 2017
9:00pm to 10:00pm
(GMT-07:00) America/Los Angeles

Description:

Linode has informed me that the hardware running one of our instances needs to be upgraded and that our instance needs to be migrated to another machine. Because this instance is pretty critical for the site, I need to take the site down to do the migration. I expect the downtime to last less than an hour. I will put a banner up on the site the day of the downtime.

View Event.


moderated Re: Y!G Transfert fix symbol

Bob Bellizzi
 

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 03:09 pm, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Actually I can't see if the attachment went through. Can anyone else see it and help this person out?
 
Take care.

On Oct 31, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Benoît Dumeaux <benoit.dumeaux@...> wrote:
The screenshot explain all.

 The attachment seems to be one big picture of a screen, far too long to be a screen shot
It width is very narrow and when I increase mag in google chrome 500% I still can't read the content but can see a bunch of apparently  highlights throughout the picture.
My own conclusion is that even if it were possible to read the content, the problem is about as obvious as a rubic's cube

Please, Benoit, consider how much time everyone will waste just trying to understand what issue you see that we can't. We don't even have a decent image to analyze..

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moderated Re: Y!G Transfert fix symbol

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually I can't see if the attachment went through. Can anyone else see it and help this person out?

Take care.

On Oct 31, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Benoît Dumeaux <benoit.dumeaux@...> wrote:

The screenshot explain all.


moderated Re: Y!G Transfert fix symbol

Benoît Dumeaux
 

The screenshot explain all.


moderated Re: RSS and Re #bug

 

On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Benoît Dumeaux <benoit.dumeaux@...> wrote:
The RSS feed don't see the "Re:"
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/rss
_._,_._,_
Thanks. Fixed.

Mark 


moderated Re: Re-captcha

Bob Bellizzi
 

I strongly agree with  Juube,
Our group would new membership would be heavily impacted by any requirement for captcha.
Our requirements for joining include a full postal address and phone number besides email and other info.
A captcha would put a cap on our membership.

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Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Re-captcha

Jujube <ellaxyu@...>
 

These are the worst for the blind, and equally worse are image-only captchas where you have to fill in the text you see.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Sergeant" <dave@davesergeant.com
To: main@beta.groups.io
Date sent: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 06:58:29 -0000
Subject: Re: [beta] Re-captcha

Not sure if you are referring to the captchas that ask you to click on
all the street sign pictures. If you are, I hate those with a vengeance
and struggle to solve them. Any captcha but those please...

Dave

On 30 Oct 2017 at 17:40, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Hi All,

Some groups, specifically ones that use the signup form, are getting
hammered with spam signups. I have started to experiment adding a Google
recaptcha to one of the registration flows to gather information (it's
currently only activated for one group that was getting hit hard). I
personally dislike captchas, but the latest Google one seems to be
relatively decent. I don't know how this will affect people using screen
readers. If there is something I can do to make these more accessible,
please let me know.

Thanks,
Mark



http://davesergeant.com


moderated Re: Re-captcha

 

A massive no to google captchas from me. Since I block all scripts and don't allow cookies, they are a nightmare for me. I occasionally grit my teeth and use them if I absolutely must, but I would give up on joining a group if I had to jump through that particular hoop.

Helen, who likes groups.io because it is so different from yahoo, google etc.


moderated Re: Re-captcha

Dave Sergeant
 

Not sure if you are referring to the captchas that ask you to click on
all the street sign pictures. If you are, I hate those with a vengeance
and struggle to solve them. Any captcha but those please...

Dave

On 30 Oct 2017 at 17:40, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Hi All,

Some groups, specifically ones that use the signup form, are getting
hammered with spam signups. I have started to experiment adding a Google
recaptcha to one of the registration flows to gather information (it's
currently only activated for one group that was getting hit hard). I
personally dislike captchas, but the latest Google one seems to be
relatively decent. I don't know how this will affect people using screen
readers. If there is something I can do to make these more accessible,
please let me know.

Thanks,
Mark

http://davesergeant.com

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