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Re: Facebook Page integration

Drew
 

Hi Mark,

Thanks!

Trying to add a FB page I keep getting the error: "does not appear to be a facebook page". I'm guessing this is because the FB page that I want to integrate is a "closed group".

Does my Groups.io group need to "join" the FB page? If so, what email address should I use to sign up my group to FB?

Drew


moderated Re: Delete pending messages when a member unsubs

 

My main concern would be, what is the user's intention? In leaving the group, does a user intend for any of their pending messages not to be posted? So here's an argument for your side: I think the answer to that would have to be "no." Once they send a message to the group, they are implicitly saying they want it to be posted, and in fact may not even *know* whether or not the message has posted when they leave. So I think now that it makes more sense to leave it in pending.

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 5:53 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 05:48 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
So... If there were such a label would you change your opinion in favor of allowing these messages to remain in the Pending list?
Probably. I have no strong feelings about it one way or the other.
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

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moderated Re: Delete pending messages when a member unsubs

 

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 05:48 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
So... If there were such a label would you change your opinion in favor of allowing these messages to remain in the Pending list?
Probably. I have no strong feelings about it one way or the other.
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

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moderated Re: Delete pending messages when a member unsubs

 

J,

Yes, that's the issue I pointed out. Posts crossed.
So... If there were such a label would you change your opinion in favor of allowing these messages to remain in the Pending list?

I favor letting the moderator decide how to handle the situation, but that preference is rather blunted if the moderator is unaware of the member's change of status.

Some message may be moot or counterproductive if the poster is no longer a member; others may be valuable regardless. I think that's a judgment call. Thinking in terms of a help group, a simple question may be moot, a rant may be counterproductive, but an answer to someone else's question may still be of value. There are likely analogous situations in other types of groups.

And all of that's assuming that the member doesn't rejoin. If the member sees and uses the "resume your subscription" link it is rather rude for the system to have automatically deleted their pending messages. The member might well receive the unsubscription notice and act to resume their membership long before a moderator happens to visit the Pending list.

Shal

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moderated Re: Delete pending messages when a member unsubs

 

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 04:44 pm, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
IMHO, any moderator who is empowered to approve/disapprove messages should always get notification about changes in member and system status.  
Unfortunately that's not in the current logic. They're separate permissions/notifications.
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Delete pending messages when a member unsubs

 

I can always invent situations where it would be a bad idea, but they'd be so obscure that they really shouldn't be considered.

What I would recommend is that if a message is being approved via the web interface, that there be some indicator that the poster is no longer a group member (or could pop up an "Are you sure?" dialog). If approved via mail, then go ahead and send the message through as normal.

JohnF


moderated Re: Delete pending messages when a member unsubs

Bob Bellizzi
 

J,
IMHO, any moderator who is empowered to approve/disapprove messages should always get notification about changes in member and system status.  
Otherwise they are operating without adequate knowledge of what's going on.

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moderated Re: Delete pending messages when a member unsubs

Bob Bellizzi
 

Joseph, exactly who do you agree with in this thread and with which statement?
PLs don't take offense; I just caught up with this thread.
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moderated Re: Delete pending messages when a member unsubs

 

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 04:02 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
Would it be possible to put a label of some type on those messages (in the pending list, and when opened) so that the moderator can see that they belong to a former member?
Yes, that's the issue I pointed out. Posts crossed.
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

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moderated Re: Delete pending messages when a member unsubs

Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

I agree with you completely.

On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:03 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@gmail.com> wrote:

Here's a possible reason not to: A moderator who is empowered to see and approve pending messages, but who is not notified of members joining and leaving the group, may see the pending message, be unaware that the member has left, and send it through. It's then a message from a non-member.

But I guess whether or not it's a message from a non-member is similar to debates about "conception." Is the message already a "message" right after it's created (by a then-member) and when it's still just pending, or does it only become a message when it's sent to the group? I would say the latter, so I think deleting (aka aborting) a pending message from someone who is no longer a member makes the most sense.

But those are just my thoughts. I don't really care about this one way or the other.

J

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
Hi All,

Currently, when a member unsubscribes from a group, any pending messages from them are also removed. I've been asked to change this so that the pending messages are not removed. I can't think of any reasons to not make this change. Am I missing something?

Thanks,
Mark





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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Delete pending messages when a member unsubs

 

Here's a possible reason not to: A moderator who is empowered to see and approve pending messages, but who is not notified of members joining and leaving the group, may see the pending message, be unaware that the member has left, and send it through. It's then a message from a non-member. 

But I guess whether or not it's a message from a non-member is similar to debates about "conception." Is the message already a "message" right after it's created (by a then-member) and when it's still just pending, or does it only become a message when it's sent to the group? I would say the latter, so I think deleting (aka aborting) a pending message from someone who is no longer a member makes the most sense. 

But those are just my thoughts. I don't really care about this one way or the other.

J

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
Hi All,

Currently, when a member unsubscribes from a group, any pending messages from them are also removed. I've been asked to change this so that the pending messages are not removed. I can't think of any reasons to not make this change. Am I missing something?

Thanks,
Mark



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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Delete pending messages when a member unsubs

 

Mark,

Currently, when a member unsubscribes from a group, any pending
messages from them are also removed. I've been asked to change this
so that the pending messages are not removed.
Would it be possible to put a label of some type on those messages (in the pending list, and when opened) so that the moderator can see that they belong to a former member? In a similar vein, I'd like a label to distinguish messages posted by non-members (in groups that allow that).

The tool tip for that label could give the explanation that the member was unsubscribed after posting the message. Or that the group allows non-members to post (in the other case).

These won't help the moderator who approves by email, but I think would be useful to those who review the Pending list online.

Shal

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moderated Delete pending messages when a member unsubs

 

Hi All,

Currently, when a member unsubscribes from a group, any pending messages from them are also removed. I've been asked to change this so that the pending messages are not removed. I can't think of any reasons to not make this change. Am I missing something?

Thanks,
Mark


Re: Facebook Page integration

 

Hi All,

I just got the Facebook Page integration working again. For existing integrations (that haven't been working), in the next few minutes you should see updates again. And you can add new Facebook page integrations as well.

Please let me know if you see any issues.

Thanks,
Mark

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 4:44 AM, Drew AF2Z <pubx1@...> wrote:
Likewise here.





Re: Facebook Page integration

Drew
 

Likewise here.


Re: Facebook Page integration

Kevin Conod <kdconod@...>
 

Yes I am wondering same. 


moderated Re: I'd like to be able to delete the most recent edit

Tony Moody
 

Yes,
When editing a previously saved file = original.
Useful functions are :
Delete   means delete the whole thing including the original. As in Gone-Gone
Revert  means undo all edits since opening the file. ie Revert to original.  = Start again
Undo  means revert to the version before the last Enter
Redo means undo the last undo.

ymmv

OK,
Tony



On 6 Oct 2017 at 17:22, JohnF via Groups.Io wrote about :
Subject : Re: [beta] I'd like to be able to d

> Because Delete usually implies poof, completely gone, we programmers prefer the word "Revert" when going back to a previous version.  Would that be generally understandable?
>
> Delete This Message
> Revert This Edit
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> (And don't show the Revert option if the message hasn't been edited, obviously.)
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> JohnF
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moderated log special notices #suggestion

 

If special notices are logged as such, I can't find it. If they're not being logged, it would be very convenient if the logging could be added. (I looked in all the group activity logs and the member activity logs, no luck.)
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • INTERNAL: Continued work on the new streaming pipeline from the database into the search cluster. Mostly completed; some parts are running in production now. Hopefully (finally!) complete and working next week.
  • NEW: New API endpoint /bulkremove. Also API calls can take a group_name parameter instead of a group_id parameter.
  • SYSADMIN: Migrated main web server to new hardware.

Have a good weekend everybody.

Mark


moderated Re: I'd like to be able to delete the most recent edit

 

On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 05:22 pm, JohnF wrote:
Revert This Edit
And also, that would have to be "revert to this edit"
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

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