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moderated Re: Hide "Sent from my "

 

J,

Well, it sort of is about signatures. I'm arguing that "sent from my
iPhone" is a signature.
Big stretch there. Boilerplate installed by the maker of your software is almost the direct opposite of the plain English meaning of a "signature" - something identifies or reflects an individual.

They are ad text, unseen by the user and unmodifiable by them. The
"sent from my iPhone" text, automated or not, is part of what the user
sees when they send their message,
By that logic Groups.io shouldn't be hiding or stripping trailing quotes either - as they also are part of what the user sees when sending their message. The point in both cases is that it is clutter that user didn't type and didn't trim away.

Senders can an do modify to things like "sent from my damn iPhone with
typos" etc.
That wouldn't be removed - it wouldn't match the ad text - and that's fine. In most cases I don't have a problem with such personal statements, so long as they aren't otherwise objectionable (using a stronger expletive than "damn" I'd probably have to reject in some groups).

-- Shal


moderated Re: Hide "Sent from my "

 

Jeremy,

But if there is such a list, is it visible anywhere, as part of a
documented feature?
Not that I know of. It could be a thing to add to the Help FAQ section.

Because, as an ordinary user, if something I put (or leave) in my post
isn't there when it arrives, then I would say that it indicates a bug
(unless I know it's a feature.
I'm not worried about that concern. I think a user would quickly surmise that certain ads are being stripped. If you really want it to stay you likely could make a single-character change to the text and then it would no longer match.

Shal


moderated Re: Attachment (including photo) issues

Jeremy H
 

Yes, this is about files and photos attached to messages, either sent from e-mail, or via the interface - they will arrive with the message (but not always without issue). 
(Groups also have 'Files' and 'Photos' areas, to which files and photos can be uploaded, these are a different feature).

Jeremy


moderated Re: Hide "Sent from my "

 

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 02:57 pm, Jeremy Harrison wrote:
Because, as an ordinary user, if something I put (or leave) in my post isn't there when it arrives, then I would say that it indicates a bug (unless I know it's a feature.
Jeremy,

No worries, because so far, only text that's invisible to the user is removed. No surprises, and I think it would be good to keep it that way. Which is why "sent from my iPhone" should not be added to the list.
 
--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Hide "Sent from my "

Jeremy H
 

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 01:53 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
It is about specific texts that have been identified as being
automatically inserted into many users' email messages. Things like the
titular "Sent from my iPhone" which come stock with the email
application (or other software) being used, and are not customized by
that user.

Groups.io already has a list of such texts which it automatically
removes. The OP's request was that "Sent from my iPhone" be added to
that list.
If there is already a list of texts that can just added to, then adding "Sent from my iPhone" (and all the other variations) is not unreasonable, otherwise I would suggest that there are more desirable improvements than writing the appropriate routine, and agreeing the list of things to be removed.

But if there is such a list, is it visible anywhere, as part of a documented feature? Because, as an ordinary user, if something I put (or leave) in my post isn't there when it arrives, then I would say that it indicates a bug (unless I know it's a feature.

Jeremy


moderated Re: Attachment (including photo) issues

Sarah k Alawami
 

I'm a bit confused about that as well. I attached a csv file and it never showed up anywhere, not in a link nothing. I had to to upload that by hand, fine and dandy by the way. I have not tried attaching fotos to the group I run via my mail program. Is that what you guys are talking about? Attaching them via email vs the forum aspect?

On Sep 4, 2017, at 11:11 AM, Jeremy Harrison via Groups.Io <jeremygharrison@...> wrote:

Have been testing out/playing around with sending photos and attachments, and have encountered a few issues.

Firstly, on attaching a .odt file (Libre Office Writer) file - I think under the covers this is xml of some type - rather than an icon (as for other file types), a preview was generated, but this was just raw text, and thus garbage, rather than anything meaningful. 

Secondly, when files or pictures (images) are converted to links for sending due to receiving size limits, the link ends /n/n , where the first n is the message number, and the second the attachment number (on that message) - without either the file name or type (although this is displayed as label). Looking at messages with 'in line' attached photos, the photo can be seen, but its url is of the the same style, and there is is no file name visible. While the file can be viewed (in browser) or downloaded, this is with a file name of just the number (and no extension) - not at all useful. (When I see an line image as part of a delivered e-mail, it is downloadable, or viewable, with its correct name, as expected). For an image sent as an attachment, and viewing through the web, I see a thumbnail of the picture (but no name, as with other attachments), as a link to file of the correct name, so downloadable ok.

When I look in Photos, all the photos I've sent can be seen if the 'E-mailed photos' album, all grouped together (without any indication as to message) - including those sent as attachments, which I was not expecting. Looking at them thus, there is a download button, but this causes the (original, full size) image to be displayed (on its own, in browser), whence it can be saved (downloaded), rather than there being a standard download dialogue.

Does this mixture of in-line and attached file photos mean that both are would be subject to image size limitation, if I had that switched on? 

But other files sent as attachments are not visible: does this mean that they do not count to storage limits?

My thoughts/expectations/wishes:

A file preview should not be generated, unless a meaningful one can be; my view is, if in doubt, don't!

Links should always have the correct file name and extension, so that the file can be properly downloaded; and with the name displayed where appropriate.

As regards viewing e-mailed files and photos, if these are to be visible, other than through the messages archive, then both should be treated similarly, either through a separate 'Attachments' tab, or 'attachments' (or similar) folder/album, with images attached as files treated as such. And then it should be easy to match an image or file with its message.

Jeremy


moderated Re: Hide "Sent from my "

Sarah k Alawami
 

Ah like the "sent from aqua mail" I can't remove because  I didn't pay for the app yet?  We could add that to the groups.io list if stuff to remove if one wants to.

Take care and be blessed.

On Sep 4, 2017, at 1:53 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Sarah,

> I just think the signature should not be altered in any way shape or
> form. What if the user is self promoting?

This topic is not about signatures.

It is about specific texts that have been identified as being automatically inserted into many users' email messages. Things like the titular "Sent from my iPhone" which come stock with the email application (or other software) being used, and are not customized by that user.

Groups.io already has a list of such texts which it automatically removes. The OP's request was that "Sent from my iPhone" be added to that list.

FWIW I side with removing this text from messages: in my groups it is at best off-topic clutter. But unlike some of the other ads that have included logos or other icons, this particular one is for me a low priority.

Shal





moderated Re: Hide "Sent from my "

 

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 01:53 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
This topic is not about signatures.
Well, it sort of is about signatures. I'm arguing that "sent from my iPhone" is a signature. The Avast text and its ilk are not a signature. They are ad text, unseen by the user and unmodifiable by them. The "sent from my iPhone" text, automated or not, is part of what the user sees when they send their message, and I think qualifies as a signature. Senders can an do modify to things like "sent from my damn iPhone with typos" etc.

That is why I keep arguing that it's in a different category from ad text that's not part of the text on the sender's screen, and which is inserted without their direct knowledge (unless they go into the program's settings), and which they can't modify. And I argue that even NOT modifying "sent from my iPhone" is a modification: it's the empty modification. It's the modification, or desire, that says "I'm not changing this because I want it here."

If groups.io starts removing text from a message that is part of the content the user sees on the screen before they send it, that's a slippery slope. 
 
--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Hide "Sent from my "

 

Sarah,

I just think the signature should not be altered in any way shape or
form. What if the user is self promoting?
This topic is not about signatures.

It is about specific texts that have been identified as being automatically inserted into many users' email messages. Things like the titular "Sent from my iPhone" which come stock with the email application (or other software) being used, and are not customized by that user.

Groups.io already has a list of such texts which it automatically removes. The OP's request was that "Sent from my iPhone" be added to that list.

FWIW I side with removing this text from messages: in my groups it is at best off-topic clutter. But unlike some of the other ads that have included logos or other icons, this particular one is for me a low priority.

Shal


moderated Attachment (including photo) issues

Jeremy H
 

Have been testing out/playing around with sending photos and attachments, and have encountered a few issues.

Firstly, on attaching a .odt file (Libre Office Writer) file - I think under the covers this is xml of some type - rather than an icon (as for other file types), a preview was generated, but this was just raw text, and thus garbage, rather than anything meaningful. 

Secondly, when files or pictures (images) are converted to links for sending due to receiving size limits, the link ends /n/n , where the first n is the message number, and the second the attachment number (on that message) - without either the file name or type (although this is displayed as label). Looking at messages with 'in line' attached photos, the photo can be seen, but its url is of the the same style, and there is is no file name visible. While the file can be viewed (in browser) or downloaded, this is with a file name of just the number (and no extension) - not at all useful. (When I see an line image as part of a delivered e-mail, it is downloadable, or viewable, with its correct name, as expected). For an image sent as an attachment, and viewing through the web, I see a thumbnail of the picture (but no name, as with other attachments), as a link to file of the correct name, so downloadable ok.

When I look in Photos, all the photos I've sent can be seen if the 'E-mailed photos' album, all grouped together (without any indication as to message) - including those sent as attachments, which I was not expecting. Looking at them thus, there is a download button, but this causes the (original, full size) image to be displayed (on its own, in browser), whence it can be saved (downloaded), rather than there being a standard download dialogue.

Does this mixture of in-line and attached file photos mean that both are would be subject to image size limitation, if I had that switched on? 

But other files sent as attachments are not visible: does this mean that they do not count to storage limits?

My thoughts/expectations/wishes:

A file preview should not be generated, unless a meaningful one can be; my view is, if in doubt, don't!

Links should always have the correct file name and extension, so that the file can be properly downloaded; and with the name displayed where appropriate.

As regards viewing e-mailed files and photos, if these are to be visible, other than through the messages archive, then both should be treated similarly, either through a separate 'Attachments' tab, or 'attachments' (or similar) folder/album, with images attached as files treated as such. And then it should be easy to match an image or file with its message.

Jeremy


moderated Re: I need to delete calendar

Sugar
 

Thank you Sara,

With the great tips I have received here, I to also totally blind have found it a bit easier, though I had a sighted person assist with my issue but it was resolved at last

Thank you

Sugar

 

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 10:20 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] I need to delete calendar

 

Actually she kind of cams to the right place as what if that particular area is not accessible for the blind. I've reported and have had fixed already some accessibility issues and now my group runs more smoothly because I as group owner can access  almost now about 99 percent of the interface. Also look up the groups.io forum manager list that is another grate resources.

 

Take care

On Sep 2, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

 

You should really use one of the sources of help that is recommended when you have a problem like this:
https://groups.io/static/help#questions
Mark has asked that this group be used for suggestions about improvements or new features.
Another group that may be able to assist is https://groups.io/g/Group_Help though replies are sometimes slow.

Duane


 


moderated Re: Feature request: disable signups/applications #suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

The intent of Restricted is to control who joins a group.
The intent of Private is to hide a groups existence.
Restricted groups might use restriction to control entry AND to force an applicant to provide whatever information it wishes and to then only use Invite or Direct Add to install the new member.
If a group were to have "disable signups, etc" available I don't see any reason why there should be another condition required  to make it happen.
It would simply be another check box to allow/disallow online signups.
If any precondition might be applicable, my inclination would be that it would be a paid feature.

--

Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated calendar resolved

Sugar
 

Hi everyone

First I want to thank you who helped me so patiently and that I was able to resolve my Calendar issue with instructions that was given so kindly here.

I also want to apologize if I annoyed some with my silly questions or if I posted them to the wrong group

I just had no where else to go for a quick resolution.

I thank you for the resources to go to in the future.

It means a lot to me for these resources as I am not to familiar and as I am learning to get around groups io with changes.

If Mark see’s this, thank you Mark but I have resolved my issues.

I appreciate all and everyone so much.

Much appreciation for all the patience and understanding.

Sugar

 

Your support is appreciated:

https://www.gofundme.com/sugars-transplant-journey

 


moderated Re: Hide "Sent from my "

 

On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 11:51 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I just think the signature should not be altered in any way shape or form
I think altering the sig is the job of individual group moderators if they find something offensive (with respect to their groups) in it, not the job of groups.io overall.
 
--
J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Sarah k Alawami
 


On Sep 1, 2017, at 9:12 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

  • CHANGE: Added sr-only spans to icons in Files view for screen readers.

Thank you thank you thank you, if I did not thank you off list. You guys rock.  I remember submitting that issue, or something like it this week, it was fixed  with in I'd say 3-4 hours. Again thanks so so much!


moderated Re: Hide "Sent from my "

Sarah k Alawami
 

I just think the signature should not be altered in any way shape or form. What if the user is self promoting?

Take care all.

Sarah k Alawami: Owner of Alawami Productions, where quality is key. 
and for the itunes page go here.

On Sep 2, 2017, at 9:30 AM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 09:07 am, Jim Poston wrote:
I think any tagline not consciously set by the sender should be
removed/hidden.
Absolutely agree.

If the sender has modified it, I'm OK with passing tha tthrough.
I think it should be passed through even if they haven't modified it. Not modifying it is a form of modifying it: it's the form of "I am leaving this alone because I want it to be there." Some people may want to make sure people know they sent the message from their iPhone, for whatever reason (I can conjure up lots of them).

I think anything the sender sees on their screen should be left alone. Anything they don't see should be removed. No surprises. Text the sender sees should be sent.

--
J
 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu



moderated Re: Feature request: disable signups/applications #suggestion

Sarah k Alawami
 

I agree. While it is a good idea, I don't agree with that approach. I won't reiterate what others have said better than I so there you go.

On Sep 2, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Jeremy Harrison via Groups.Io <jeremygharrison@...> wrote:

While I can see where you're coming from, that (only be allowed on groups that aren't in the directory (totally private)) is not a limitation that I would worry about. While they may or may not be sensible, I can think of scenarios where a group owner would want a visible group that people can't join. Writing in a restriction is going to frustrate people (some, some where, some time) does not seem to be a good use of effort... 


moderated Re: I need to delete calendar

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually she kind of cams to the right place as what if that particular area is not accessible for the blind. I've reported and have had fixed already some accessibility issues and now my group runs more smoothly because I as group owner can access  almost now about 99 percent of the interface. Also look up the groups.io forum manager list that is another grate resources.

Take care

On Sep 2, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

You should really use one of the sources of help that is recommended when you have a problem like this:
https://groups.io/static/help#questions
Mark has asked that this group be used for suggestions about improvements or new features.
Another group that may be able to assist is https://groups.io/g/Group_Help though replies are sometimes slow.

Duane





moderated Re: I need to delete calendar

Duane
 

You should really use one of the sources of help that is recommended when you have a problem like this:
https://groups.io/static/help#questions
Mark has asked that this group be used for suggestions about improvements or new features.
Another group that may be able to assist is https://groups.io/g/Group_Help though replies are sometimes slow.

Duane


moderated Re: I need to delete calendar

Sugar
 

Thank you so much for these steps
Sugar

-----Original Message-----
From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Duane
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 3:06 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] I need to delete calendar

You would do that as Jeremy said, in post https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/14667 Here's a step by step:

1. Go to the calendar page
2. Click on the event that is wrong
event opens in a new window/page
3. Scroll to the bottom of the event and click on Edit Event event editor opens in a new window/page 4. Scroll to the bottom of the event and click on Delete Event 5. It will ask if you're sure, so you would click Yes

The event should now be gone. Once you have completed step 3, you could also edit the information for the event to correct the mistake insterad of starting over. If you do edit, be sure to click Update Event at the bottom of the page.

Duane

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