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moderated Re: Read & Unread messages contrast and saved marking

 

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 07:39 am, sarah abbott wrote:
I've just been reading from the website via safari on my iphone. No issues. Super clear.
Reading on my iPhone from the web is no problem. It's the mail app that's the problem. Gmail doesn't distinguish the replies either, except by the "barely legal" 1 character, which is more or less useless.
 
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moderated Re: Read & Unread messages contrast and saved marking

 

Sarah,

Now if I use the mail program and yahoo mail it does NOT distinguish
the replies in context at all.
"The mail program" - I'm not an iPhone user, is that referring to a built-in app?

One thing you could try is a different email app. I think the Gmail app is available for iPhone, and it works with any email service that provides standard IMAP and SMTP connections.

Exactly the same issue my husband has using
yahoo email yahoo android ap on his samsung.
So, "the highest rated email app on the market" doesn't even render blockquote legibly? Sorry, I couldn't resist taking a snarky jab at those annoying ads Yahoo's been putting on Y!Groups messages lately.

In terms of what you can do on your own, I'd recommend going to the Gmail app - especially on your husband's Android. Unless there's something he didn't like about it that caused him to prefer the Yahoo app. The Gmail app has its warts too, so that would be understandable.

In terms of what Groups.io can do about it, I don't know. I'm no expert in the use of HTML across all the various email user interfaces out there, but I suspect that attempting to control the rendering via HTML style controls would be a "that way lies madness" situation. Testing it under so many interfaces is a daunting proposition.

Mark, on the other hand, may know of a silver bullet.

Shal


moderated Re: Read & Unread messages contrast and saved marking

 

Mark,

Sarah wrote:
4. When messages are opened individually from the message view they
are then shown as 'read' but if opened by using the navigation arrows
at the top or bottom of the page they are not shown as read.
It seems those pesky query strings are on the URLs in the Subject links in the Messages list.

Is that an omission from when you removed them from the permalinks and message pages? Or a regression? Can they be eliminated?

Shal


moderated Re: Read & Unread messages contrast and saved marking

Sarah Procter Abbott
 

Shal

Thx for your prompt feedback. So glad to be part of io.

2. Also, after restart all messages are shown as unread. I suggest the "read" marking be retained (as on yahoo) so that it's easy to find one's place each time.
The read marking is a function of your browser history both here and on Yahoo Groups. Having Groups.io keep track of read messages is on the To-Do list, but in the "Pie in the sky" category.
https://trello.com/c/m1HaX8DC/18-keep-track-of-read-unread-messages-on-the-website
Sarah: Ok, but just commenting that this "read" function always worked fine before. Does this mean that when the 'browser history" on io becomes a little more established (our group was only transferred 3 days ago!), it'll all work fine again? Lots of comments from members on this issue.
3. Also, not sure if it's a bug or a device issue, but the 'reply in context' lines show up on our computers and iphone but not on my husband's samsung smart phone, so he cannot tell on that device what is the original message and what is the reply in context.
That may depend on what mail reader app he's using. Block quotes seem adequately visible on my Android using the Gmail app:
Sarah: Thx for that. See my other note to J. Will pass these comments on to the group.
Your husband's best bet might be to use the View/Reply Online link at the bottom of such messages - as that's the place where Groups.io has control over the rendering style of blockquotes.
Sarah: Ok, we'll try this. 

Thanks again. Appreciated!

Sarah


moderated Re: Read & Unread messages contrast and saved marking

Sarah Procter Abbott
 

Hi J & Shal,

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 10:10 pm, J_Catlady wrote:
Wait, rereading, you're saying it's ok on your iPhone? It's not on mine. I'm using the iPhone's mail program and gmail. 
Sarah: Ok, I've just been reading from the website via safari on my iphone. No issues. Super clear.

Now if I use the mail program and yahoo mail it does NOT distinguish the replies in context at all. Exactly the same issue my husband has using yahoo email yahoo android ap on his samsung.

Sarah


moderated Re: Read & Unread messages contrast and saved marking

Sarah Procter Abbott
 

Hi Mark, Shal & all,

Just one more point before I study the replies:

4. When messages are opened individually from the message view they are then shown as 'read' but if opened by using the navigation arrows at the top or bottom of the page they are not shown as read. (When we used to be able to read expanded messages on yahoo, they were shown as 'read'.)

Thx for all your help.

Sarah


moderated Re: Read & Unread messages contrast and saved marking

 

Sarah,

2. Also, after restart all messages are shown as unread. I suggest the "read" marking be retained (as on yahoo) so that it's easy to find one's place each time.
The read marking is a function of your browser history both here and on Yahoo Groups. Having Groups.io keep track of read messages is on the To-Do list, but in the "Pie in the sky" category.
https://trello.com/c/m1HaX8DC/18-keep-track-of-read-unread-messages-on-the-website

3. Also, not sure if it's a bug or a device issue, but the 'reply in context' lines show up on our computers and iphone but not on my husband's samsung smart phone, so he cannot tell on that device what is the original message and what is the reply in context.
That may depend on what mail reader app he's using. Block quotes seem adequately visible on my Android using the Gmail app:
Screenshot with blockquote

Note that the purple color is apparently being done by the Gmail app on Android: it doesn't look that way in Gmail on the web; there the quoted matter is black but indented a tab stop and lacking the line down the left side. I think these are all different renderings of the HTML <blockquote> element, and not under Groups.io's control (unless Mark were to try style tricks to override the default rendering). I'm not sure how much control the various email apps might give the user, but I'd guess "none" - particularly for mobile apps.

Your husband's best bet might be to use the View/Reply Online link at the bottom of such messages - as that's the place where Groups.io has control over the rendering style of blockquotes.

Shal


moderated Re: Read & Unread messages contrast and saved marking

 

Wait, rereading, you're saying it's ok on your iPhone? It's not on mine. I'm using the iPhone's mail program and gmail. 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Read & Unread messages contrast and saved marking

 

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 09:25 pm, sarah abbott wrote:
the 'reply in context' lines show up on our computers and iphone but not on my husband's samsung smart phone, so he cannot tell on that device what is the original message and what is the reply in context.
YES! I've been trying to explain this to Mark (it's the same on an iPhone). What I've discovered is that the quoted text is indented, but very subtly, by exactly one character. Very hard to tell the difference, and it's not at all separated by a line space. I've resorted to italicizing all quoted text just because of this issue.
 
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Read & Unread messages contrast and saved marking

Sarah Procter Abbott
 

Hi Mark & all,

1. Could there be a greater contrast between those messages read and unread on the website? Sometimes not easy to see, especially if reading outdoors.

2. Also, after restart all messages are shown as unread. I suggest the "read" marking be retained (as on yahoo) so that it's easy to find one's place each time.

3. Also, not sure if it's a bug or a device issue, but the 'reply in context' lines show up on our computers and iphone but not on my husband's samsung smart phone, so he cannot tell on that device what is the original message and what is the reply in context.

Thx

Sarah
p.s. Very happy to have transferred our large group from yahoo!


moderated allow member messages with none active #suggestion

 

Currently, the only way to remove a member without having a removal message sent is to have no messages of type "removed" exist in the member messages list. (This is the same for the other message types.) If any exist, the system forces at least one of them to be "active." If you uncheck the "active" box on the active message, the system makes a different one active, seemingly arbitrarily. 

It would be convenient to allow message types to exist without always forcing one to be active.
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Another ISP marking Groups.io messages as spam

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

I'm pasting here what I just sent to the person reporting this on one of the groups I am active on.  I figure Mark may want/need to contact the ISP, too:

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 02:33 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
marked as spam by virgin media here
Please report this to Virgin Media and ask that they remove groups.io, anything from groups.io, from their spam filtering.  This is not the first ISP who somehow decides that groups.io traffic should go to the cyber round-file.
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Re: saving history or members page for past members in premium groups

 

Mark,

I tested aspects of this tonight, and I still find it strange that when you ban an address that has not been a member, the "banned members" list shows the address as having "joined" on the date it was actually banned. I realize that this is because you create a new subscription record at the time the banning happens, but the member has not actually joined, so why show it as having joined then? I suppose there's nothing you can do about this without adding another column ("banned on" or "banned") to the display. But it seems to me that if you only have room for one column, the banned date is more meaningful than the joined date in any case, especially this one.
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Next variant for "Re:" - SV

 

On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
It appears that SV is used in one of the Nordic languages and is not currently being threaded correctly.

Thanks. I've added it.

Mark 


moderated Re: Plain Text versus Full Featured (HTML Format) Individual Messages

 

Brian,

We don't have an option to convert individual message deliveries to specific people to HTML or plain text. We do have full featured and plain text digest options, however.

Mark

On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Hello All,

         I am not sure whether I'm misremembering something or if a bug has occurred.  One of the members on the Windows 10 for screen reader users group sent me this cut and paste of the links at the end of his message:
--------------------

--------------------

I immediately recognize this as plain text format, and I could have sworn that there was a way both by e-mail control and web interface control to change individual message delivery format to either plain text or full featured, but I'll be darned if I can find it.

What I'm trying to do is get the "full-featured" format such as this:
----------------

You receive all messages sent to this group.

View/Reply Online (#244) | Reply To Group | Reply To Sender | Mute This Topic | New Topic

Change Your Subscription
Group Home
Contact Group Owner
Terms Of Service
Unsubscribe From This Group

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Which appears at the bottom of my single messages when I turn that delivery option on, but I can't seem to figure out where this is anymore.

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I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.
    ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's 
            Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe



moderated Re: Attachments mistakenly deleted

Bob Bellizzi
 

That's great!
But Mark, you need to get some bright young genius to shadow you and eventually become your backup.
Lacking that, you might have to apply to the Knowledge Lab at Stanford to have them build an AI Clone. <g>
Bob Bellizzi
The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Attachments mistakenly deleted

Anita Crafton
 

Mark, you are amazing.

Anita C.


moderated Next variant for "Re:" - SV

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

It appears that SV is used in one of the Nordic languages and is not currently being threaded correctly.

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Brian  - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)
I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.
    ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's 
            Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe


moderated Plain Text versus Full Featured (HTML Format) Individual Messages

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Hello All,

         I am not sure whether I'm misremembering something or if a bug has occurred.  One of the members on the Windows 10 for screen reader users group sent me this cut and paste of the links at the end of his message:
--------------------

--------------------

I immediately recognize this as plain text format, and I could have sworn that there was a way both by e-mail control and web interface control to change individual message delivery format to either plain text or full featured, but I'll be darned if I can find it.

What I'm trying to do is get the "full-featured" format such as this:
----------------

You receive all messages sent to this group.

View/Reply Online (#244) | Reply To Group | Reply To Sender | Mute This Topic | New Topic

Change Your Subscription
Group Home
Contact Group Owner
Terms Of Service
Unsubscribe From This Group

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Which appears at the bottom of my single messages when I turn that delivery option on, but I can't seem to figure out where this is anymore.

--
Brian  - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)
I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.
    ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's 
            Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe


moderated Re: 1. log when member joins a chat 2. allow member to leave a chat #suggestion

 

Mark,
Thanks, yes, that helps! (But IMHO the UI could use some improvement there.:)
Also, what about logging in the group activity log when someone joins, leaves, or adds a comment to a chat? Is that possible at some point?
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

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