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locked Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site today:

  • Removed Show Message History button, quoting message by default for markdown/plain text messages
  • Fixed pagination in Files View and in Files Search View
  • Changed sort order in Files view to have folders show up before files
  • Fixed event reminder display
  • Work on bounce system, addressing bug where bounces are returned some time after the message was sent
  • Fixed calendar bug with all day events that span multiple days
  • Made archives a bit faster by not fetching message previews for all messages on load
  • Testing generating new message-ids in the Beta group, to get around email services not showing messages you've sent
  • Focus is now set on the text area when you reply to a message

Mark


locked Re: Post preference, show message history, emoji

ro-esp
 

4a. Re: [beta] Post preference, show message history, emoji
From: Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 23:21:59 PST

Mark,

For Markdown and Plain reply boxes, there's a new Show Message History
button, ...
I really hate that terminology.
So do I. BTW how do I quote in the website, with the ">" that is ?

It seems to cause a lot of user
confusion versus the message thread context surrounding the message and its reply edit box. How about "Insert Quoted Message" - to me that better describes what it does.

that works similarly to how Y! Groups' button works, to insert the
quoted message in the reply box.
Can I have mine shown (inserted) by default? I almost always want to inline quote for context.
exactly


And... I love breaking the rules by not wrapping my plain text message bodies (because that generally works better with other people's email services and with on-line message archives that dynamically word-wrap at the window width); but I don't like that at all for quoted text. So could I have a wrap button that re-wraps paragraphs (blank line separated) and if the paragraph is reply quoted ("> ") inserts the quote marking on each of the wrapped lines. Note, a line with only the quote marking should also be considered a paragraph separator.
I'm not sure what "wrapping" means. Are you talking about "quotefix"? It's meant to automatically keep the maximum-length of the line (I've heard that 80 spaces is the standard), regardless of how many ">"s are added. Using quotefix means the last bit of first line isn't pushed to before the > of the second line, but to after it.

groetjes, Ronaldo


locked Re: Not getting copies of messages I sent to my group

 

On 1/28/2015 2:52 PM, Feathered Leader wrote:
Diana wrote:>>Are you reading your gmail from the gmail web page? Or a mail client?<<

Mail client. Thunderbird. But G-mail gives you an option to send/forward your mail to another linked e-mail address, which I do.
So you should be seeing all your gmail messages sent to any list, since
I think GMail does the forward processing before doing any local
processing.

dg


locked Re: A few questions

 

On 1/28/2015 2:25 PM, Feathered Leader wrote:
I know where it is, I just want to know if he will still make it be a
default for us to be able to set. That will be remembered all the time.
And here's a good example of why you would *want* quoted text.

Brenda - I have no idea what you are talking about...

dg


locked Re: Post preference, show message history, emoji

 

Here on TBird (and I think someone else said their mail client did it
also), before hitting the reply button, I can highlight a section of
text - and reply will bring just that section text and the poster
(see above) into the reply (and I chose when I set up the client to
have the response below the quoted text).

How difficult would it be to implement something like that?
I think that has some real merit, Diana. But not being a programmer, I don't know how difficult it would be. Perhaps Mark can comment?
Dano


locked Re: Post preference, show message history, emoji

 

On 1/28/2015 12:10 PM, D R Stinson wrote:
I'd rather see a button, perhaps next to the format option, to add quoted text. Hopefully that would encourage posters to*not* add it unless they consciously need it.
Here on TBird (and I think someone else said their mail client did it
also), before hitting the reply button, I can highlight a section of
text - and reply will bring just that section text and the poster
(see above) into the reply (and I chose when I set up the client to
have the response below the quoted text).

How difficult would it be to implement something like that? I think
explaining to anyone who knows about copy/paste that they highlight
the text they're responding to and then click reply, if easy enough
to implement, would be easier than trying to get them to delete
portions of the text. Even people who have been around mailing lists
for a long time often leave a bunch of footers!

dg


locked Re: Not getting copies of messages I sent to my group

Nightowl >8#
 

Diana wrote:>>Are you reading your gmail from the gmail web page? Or a mail client?<<

Mail client. Thunderbird. But G-mail gives you an option to send/forward your mail to another linked e-mail address, which I do.

Brenda


locked Re: Testing: Getting copies of the messages you send

 

Yup. Yay!

It's the little things in life...LOL.

Trish
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On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 5:42 PM, pnrfan@... <pnrfan@...> wrote:
Let's see...does this one come back to me?

Trish



locked Testing: Getting copies of the messages you send

 

Let's see...does this one come back to me?

Trish


locked Re: Getting copies of the messages you send

 

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 02:24 pm, Shal Farley shal@... wrote:

Message-Id: Groupsio.0.54C95CFE.1010006@...

I guess it is probably still going to be unique, but no longer unique by construction: roadrunner implausibly could decide to issue some future message with exactly that ID, since as far as they know it has never been used. I thought you would entirely replace the IDs with ones you generate, same as the IDs for posts and replies via the web interface.

You know, you're right. I do that with edited messages for a specific reason, so that if someone replies to the initial message, and someone else replies to the edited message, I can still do threading correctly. But this is a different case, and .... thinking .... I can't think of a reason not to generate a completely unique message-id (excepting your ability to find messages....) So I've changed it.

Thanks, Mark


locked Re: Not getting copies of messages I sent to my group

Nightowl >8#
 

G mail can be set to forward all mail to another E-mail, for example, my g-mail address forwards my mail to my Yahoo one.

Brenda


locked Re: A few questions

Nightowl >8#
 

I know where it is, I just want to know if he will still make it be a default for us to be able to set. That will be remembered all the time.

Thanks,

Brenda


locked Re: Getting copies of the messages you send

 

Mark,

I've enabled this for the beta group, so people can see how it
behaves.
Um, really?
Message-Id: <Groupsio.0.54C95CFE.1010006@roadrunner.com>
I guess it is probably still going to be unique, but no longer unique by construction: roadrunner implausibly could decide to issue some future message with exactly that ID, since as far as they know it has never been used. I thought you would entirely replace the IDs with ones you generate, same as the IDs for posts and replies via the web interface.

Don't know that it is a problem though. And it does alleviate my search concern (since I'll know to leave the "Groupsio.0." part out).

-- Shal


locked Re: Post preference, show message history, emoji

 

Dano,

Personally I agree, but I'm concerned that some of our users may not
realize they should delete everything they don't need. ...
Hopefully that would encourage posters to *not* add it unless they
consciously need it.
It is I (reading by email) that need it, not them. Except those willing to in-line quote.

If it wasn't prone to drive Mark to madness I'd like to see the quoted material (but never the new material) hidden in a ... button on-line in thread context; the second level and higher hidden by the button online in message context. In digest trimmed to just first-level quote. In individual messages not trimmed at all. And of course in-line quotes unmolested in any case.

Then it could all be left in the composed message, with the appropriate remediation happening for digest an on-line readers.

Another comment, and there may be a reason this won't work, is to
leave off spaces between '>'s, or at least only use one space, to
prevent pushing the quoted text off the page in long discourses.
Part of the point is that there is no longer a concept of "off the page" -- nearly all means of reading email these days can handle longer lines. Compressing the spaces out of quote markers may needlessly reduce legibility. Not that I have a problem with that either way.

-- Shal


locked Re: Getting copies of the messages you send

 

I've enabled this for the beta group, so people can see how it behaves. So, any message you send to beta@groups.io, you should receive a copy as well.

Thanks, Mark


locked Re: Getting copies of the messages you send

 

Well, apparently not always. LOL  I still have one Yahoo group that always sends me back a copy.

I vote yes, enable for all. 

I think it's more of a downside to not have it that way as people keep asking mods if their message went through because they didn't get a copy. The common question is: "I'm getting other people's posts, but not my own. What am I doing wrong?" They tend to assume they're not doing it right or there's something wrong with the list service...at which point they start griping and complaining about the "lousy service."

Trish

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:


FYI, Yahoo Groups does exactly what Groups.io does right now. If you use Gmail, for example, and send a message to a Y! Group, you will not receive a copy of that message back in your Gmail.

Mark 
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locked Re: Files - search

 

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 01:34 pm, Duane txpigeon@... wrote:

Turns out that the strangeness was on my end. Some of the pdfs were images and some searchable. Obviously it didn't find the words in the image type files. Apologies. Complete search is probably better anyway, but it only gives the first 20 results. (That darn multipage thing again!)

Doh! Fixed.

Thanks, Mark


locked Re: Post preference, show message history, emoji

 

Dano,

Shal - How did you get the '>' to stick in your message?
What Mark said - and blame my email client for sticking in the leading spaces. I'm not sure if I have a control for that, the leading spaces don't show in my compose window.

-- Shal


locked Re: Files - search

Duane
 

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 12:55 pm, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:38 am, Duane <txpigeon@gmail.com> wrote:

Still a couple of glitches. Search doesn't seem to work in a folder, it apparently searches in the main level, though this might be by design. I got some strange results when I was in a Folder.
Search is currently designed just to search over all the files and directories. Can you give me some more information on what was strange about the results?
Turns out that the strangeness was on my end. Some of the pdfs were images and some searchable. Obviously it didn't find the words in the image type files. Apologies. Complete search is probably better anyway, but it only gives the first 20 results. (That darn multipage thing again!)


Last night I uploaded an 11 MB file. When it finished, it dumped me to a editfile# page (sorry, I didn't note the exact wording) with Hello on it. I said a few choice words, then realized it actually uploaded. This morning I uploaded the same file to another group and it went back to the Files page properly when finished.

Hmmm. Maybe you got caught as I was updating the site? Please let me know if you see the error again.
I thought about that, and have with other unusual things, but I figure I should mention them, just in case it's some of those pesky little bugs trying to sneak in.

Thanks again,
Duane


locked Re: Calendar is live

 

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:43 am, Duane txpigeon@... wrote:

Another minor complaint. If I set an event for All Day, start on 1/29, end on 2/2, it only shows through 2/1 on the calendar. I may be looking at it wrong, but I would think it should include the end date.

Fixed!

Thanks, Mark