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moderated Re: Please let us to reply to members when moderating - and Lazy User Report on Search function

Linda
 

Hi Jennifer,
When I run into that situation, I reject the pending message with an explanation. The rejected message and your explanation will automatically be sent to the member.

Linda

Jennifer wrote:
"Sometimes I need to communicate with members about their messages that I have not yet approved (as moderator). In fact I did it twice this week – asking one to clarify a statement and the other to add more detailed information to improve the value to readers. Without an obvious and easy way to do the task in Moderator view, I copied and pasted their email addresses into new emails in Outlook.
"Is it possible to add a button that would let us communicate with authors of pending messages more easily? "


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • NEW: Test version of the new search engine.
  • BUGFIX: Quoted replies with the new editor work as expected.
  • CHANGE: Changed the new editor to use P tags for enter when editing the wiki.
  • CHANGE: For groups that are not reply to group, unsubscribe links in single messages will require login to unsubscribe.
  • CHANGE: Code change to prevent flashing of HTML before TinyMCE editor is displayed.
  • CHANGE: Normalize HTML now defangs h1-h6 tags as well.
  • CHANGE: Changed URLs of View/Reply Online links in HTML digests to do the same thing as single messages (ie go directly to the message).

Have a good weekend everybody.

Mark


moderated Re: New search up for testing

 

Lol. My bad guess was based on the fact that in many examples, although unpredictably, both the current search and newsearch have returned what you'd expect they would return if there in fact were an asterisk present.

J
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On Jun 17, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Lena <Lena@lena.kiev.ua> wrote:

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 08:57 pm, J_Catlady wrote:

I'm guessing that you got the same results in the old search even without the
asterisk
You guessed wrong.


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moderated Re: New search up for testing

 

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 08:57 pm, J_Catlady wrote:

I'm guessing that you got the same results in the old search even without the
asterisk
You guessed wrong.


moderated Re: Please let us to reply to members when moderating

 

Jennifer commented:
> Sometimes I need to communicate with members about their messages that I have not yet approved (as moderator). In fact I did it twice this week – asking one to clarify a statement and the other to add more detailed information to improve the value to readers.   Without an obvious and easy way to do the task in Moderator view, I copied and pasted their email addresses into new emails in Outlook.
>
> Is it possible to add a button that would let us communicate with authors of pending messages more easily?
>
 
I would second this suggestion and also ask that it also be applied to responses from pending members. We require pending members to reply to the owner address with some kind of explanation for their request before we approve them. There are many times that we need to request additional information before approving, and I do as Jennifer does, replying from my personal address.
 
Dano


moderated Re: New search up for testing

 

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 05:49 am, Duane wrote:
It sometimes finds a partial match within a word/string and sometimes doesn't.
Right. I haven't found the pattern yet (assuming there is one....)
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: New search up for testing

 

Another bad example: I retested the "lymphom" search, which I'd posted here in response to the request for bad search examples. With the old search, it was incorrectly bringing back only "lymphom" and "lymphoms" (the latter being someone's typo of "lymphoma"), but not any of the hundreds of instances of "lymphoma." Newsearch does the same: 

https://groups.io/g/Feline_Smallcell_Lymphoma/newsearch?q=lymphom

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Two stage transfer #suggestion

 

Given that Yahoo has not been performing Customer Support for groups for some months and that Oath has not yet shown much interest in Groups, there may be a strategic value in implementing a two stage transfer from Yahoo Groups. That is transferring all data to a group here and transferring subsequent messages in a second stage.

It has been pointed out elsewhere that there will be a huge demand on your servers should Oath announce to immanent death of Yahoo Groups.

David.


moderated Re: "Reply to Sender" link in e-mail messages and lack of "Private:" on resulting Subject

Duane
 

To insert it in an email message would require some programming that would work on all email programs. I know it's 'easy' to open an email with a subject filled in, but not sure about this situation. It looks like the Private: +subject would need to be part of the "Reply to Sender" link when it was sent out (for simplicity?)

Duane


moderated "Reply to Sender" link in e-mail messages and lack of "Private:" on resulting Subject

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

When one is on the web interface and wants to compose a private message there is a "Private" button at the lower right of the compose window.  When one hits it the subject is automatically prepended with "Private:" and the "Send" button at the lower left is changed to "Reply to Sender."

The e-mail equivalent is the "Reply to Sender" link at the bottom of each message.  However, when one hits that and it fires up one's e-mail client or webmail interface, a "Private:" is not placed in front of the Subject like it is when you do this on the web.  It would be nice if the behavior were consistent and it's really useful to have that "Private:" there so that the recipient is immediately aware that they have something that's not an on-list message and the topic that spun off the sender to send the message.

Is this an oversight, or is it by design for some reason?
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moderated Re: New search up for testing

Duane
 

I found an inconsistency. It sometimes finds a partial match within a word/string and sometimes doesn't. I searched for 01m and it found B01M9GOWGR, 01m-filter-change, and Volkswagen_01M_transmission as it should have. When I searched for 927, it found 01P 927 733 AJ as I would expect, but didn't find 01P927733AJ.

(This group is mostly technical stuff, so part numbers are often given.)

Duane


moderated Re: New search up for testing

 

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 08:42 pm, Lena wrote:
. In new search it doesn't work, the asterisk is ignored.
I'm guessing that you got the same results in the old search even without the asterisk (and that was precisely the problem). I don't think the asterisk accomplished anything. I do agree, though, that the asterisk should do what you want in the new search.

I'm still getting too many false positives in the new search (anything with the same word root), and also, quotation marks seem to negate the whole search and cause it to return nothing, at least in the cases I've tried.
 
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: New search up for testing

 

My group is in Russian language. In old search I can search for Истранов* (with an asterisk at the end of word) and get results for Истранов, Истранову, Истрановым (the name in various cases). In new search it doesn't work, the asterisk is ignored.


moderated Please let us to reply to members when moderating - and Lazy User Report on Search function

Jennifer Christian
 

Sometimes I need to communicate with members about their messages that I have not yet approved (as moderator). In fact I did it twice this week – asking one to clarify a statement and the other to add more detailed information to improve the value to readers.   Without an obvious and easy way to do the task in Moderator view, I copied and pasted their email addresses into new emails in Outlook. 

 

Is it possible to add a button that would let us communicate with authors of pending messages more easily?   

 

And I think I’ve figured out why you are trying to find a better search solutions.   I wondered if this issue (communicating with senders before approving their messages) had come up already, so ……

  1. I searched for “reply to sender of a pending message” I got 2912 responses,  the first screenful were the topics from tonight’s Beta Digeest.
  2. I searched for “reply to sender while moderating” I got 2543 responses, again the first screen was all topics discussed in the last two days.
  3. After I searched for two other word strings and kept getting the same stuff and huge number, I got frustrated enough to start looking  around on the  Pending Message screen.   FINALLY I noticed the words on the far right (they are awfully far away if they are supposed to be important – couldn’t they be RIGHT NEXT to the Search box?).
  4. The words were Date and Relevance.  So I guess that maybe these were organizer terms, and maybe Search was now set to emphasize Date.   So I clicked Relevance.  (Gradually a dim memory appeared of reading about this in Beta – but of course, non-Beta members will have zero awareness).
  5. Now the search produced a different (yet still REALLY REALLY long) list of messages   After reviewing the first screen’s worth = 20, (none which actually addressed my topic) I decided that’s all the work I’m willing to do -- and decided to write to you guys (unisex term).  

 

Signed,
Lazy Unobservant Non-techie User= Excellent Beta Tester

Jennifer Christian

 

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moderated Re: New search up for testing

Duane
 

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 05:39 pm, Linda wrote:


The two tests I just ran returned messages from 1999 first.
On my test, it returned the newest first, both old and new search. My groups didn't transfer any posts from Yahoo though. I suspect your results may have something to do with the transferred messages.

Duane


moderated Re: New search up for testing

Linda
 

Hi Mark,
I was hoping the new search would default to most recent first. The two tests I just ran returned messages from 1999 first. I know I can switch the order but I think it would be nice not to have to.

Thanks,
Linda


moderated Re: New search up for testing

 

These are bad results, though:

https://beta.groups.io/g/main/newsearch?q=editing

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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: New search up for testing

 

I take part of that back. I think the results are good because "edit" is contained in all the results. But if you put quotes around it, nothing comes back. 
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: New search up for testing

 

Check out these bad search results:

https://beta.groups.io/g/main/newsearch?q=edit

And things sometimes get worse if you put quotes around the search term (i've had cases where with the quotes, nothing comes back at all, even though occurrences exist).
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Allow moderation of Photos?

Ginny T.
 

I agree that some control would be most helpful -
but, I do understand Mark's explanation of it being a difficult thing to do. It's still high on my wishlist...
Ginny


On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 06:43 am, Noel Leaver wrote:
However, in its absence I think the current behavior of allowing unrestricted uploads etc by moderated users is wrong, and uploading ought to be disallowed for moderated users.

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