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locked Getting copies of the messages you send

 

All,

It sounds like many people want to have the messages they send to groups show up in their mailbox. Should I enable that for all groups and all users? Can you see any downside with doing so?

Thanks, Mark


locked Re: Post preference, show message history, emoji

 

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 11:21 pm, Shal Farley shal@... wrote:

that works similarly to how Y! Groups' button works, to insert the quoted message in the reply box.

Can I have mine shown (inserted) by default? I almost always want to inline quote for context.

I think it makes sense to just remove that button and have the message quoted in the reply box.

And... I love breaking the rules by not wrapping my plain text message bodies (because that generally works better with other people's email services and with on-line message archives that dynamically word-wrap at the window width); but I don't like that at all for quoted text. So could I have a wrap button that re-wraps paragraphs (blank line separated) and if the paragraph is reply quoted ("> ") inserts the quote marking on each of the wrapped lines. Note, a line with only the quote marking should also be considered a paragraph separator.

So, when quoting a message for reply, you want long lines wrapped? Around what # of characters per line, 78? FWIW, the emails currently generated with long quoted lines not wrapped still look fine (like your paragraph here).

Thanks, Mark


locked Re: Links?

David P. Dillard
 

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That is a feature I would greatly value, public or private and the option for either would be great.

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Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@temple.edu


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On Wed, 28 Jan 2015, pnrfan@gmail.com wrote:

Will there eventually be a links feature on the menu?
Trish

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locked Re: Links?

Frances
 

I used the wiki to create several pages of links. Easy to do.

Frances

On Jan 28 15, at 6:39 AM, pnrfan@... wrote:

Will there eventually be a links feature on the menu?

Trish


locked Links?

 

Will there eventually be a links feature on the menu?

Trish


locked auto-trim again

ro-esp
 

[I change the subject line so people can find it]

3a. Re: [beta] Re: Beta Digest
From: Laurence Taylor <g7mzh@gmx.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 06:32:28 PST

On 24/01/2015 12:20, ro-esp wrote:

Mark, will replying in the reply box allow that reply to show at the top
of the message or do you at least have an option?
As much as I hate that, I don't think it can be banned without pissing
off a load of people who prefer it that way
And we shouldn't do that because? :-)
:-)

Yes, and that's why I request an (optional!!) autotrim-feature like
some googlegroups have. It simply deletes everything under the last
unindented line, before the message is sent. Ideally (....) the cursor
would be positioned at the start of the first written line UNDER the "
at date and time, userxy@domain.pq sent:"
This is probably more of a luxury, but I've seen it done: reject any
message that has less original content than quoted. Will soon put a stop
to those people who quote the last 46 messages just to say "me too".
Would that be programmable? Even if it is, it's not uncommon in discussion-type groups that the reply sometimes is a lot shorter than the quote.

groetjes, Ronaldo



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locked Re: Not getting copies of messages I sent to my group

 

David,

I have actually seen this work with some of my posts that are on lists
that are moderated and the owner/moderator forwards the message to the
list members. I do receive such messages in my email even though I sent
the message.
If you literally mean Forward (as in the action taken in an email client) rather than Approve (in the sense Yahoo Groups and Groups.io uses it) then yes - the forwarded message would have a unique Message-ID.

One of the suggested solutions to the unseen moderator edit problem is to have the list service replace the Message-ID if any moderator edits the message while pending (and not if the only change to the outbound message body is the automatically appended list footers). I don't know if I'd want Groups.io to do that, but I think there is some merit to the argument that an edited message outbound isn't the same message as that which came in.

-- Shal


locked Re: Another observation - this time about trailing trash

 

Dano,

I'd just like a way to limit the amount of unchanged text. Maybe even a
limited number of lines after the latest new text. I'm just trying to
ponder this out.
I'd want an algorithm that removes 2nd level quotes and beyond.

Easy to say, probably a lot harder to do that it seems. The simple cases probably work ok, but in a system that has lots of users one probably runs headlong into a thicket of exceptions.

One advantage a system like Groups.io has is that it may be able to use more than the content of the message at hand: it potentially could follow the thread backward through the archive seeking correlated word sequences to remove. That is, the first-level quoted material would be present only in the direct predecessor to this message. Second and higher level quoted material would be present in multiple messages in the archive.

-- Shal


locked Re: Files - search

Duane
 
Edited

I think I just found one. When there are more than 20 files, main or folder, I can't find a way to see the rest. I can invert the list and see the last 20, but it would be a real problem with more than 40.

Also noticed that if I accidentally try to upload a file with the same name, it acts like it's uploading, but the old one is still there and no error message.


Duane



locked Re: Post preference, show message history, emoji

 

I agree with Shal on both of these points because that's the most obvious to people who don't see as well, and it's the way I personally prefer.
Dano


locked Re: Post preference, show message history, emoji

 

Mark,

For Markdown and Plain reply boxes, there's a new Show Message History
button, ...
I really hate that terminology. It seems to cause a lot of user confusion versus the message thread context surrounding the message and its reply edit box. How about "Insert Quoted Message" - to me that better describes what it does.

that works similarly to how Y! Groups' button works, to insert the
quoted message in the reply box.
Can I have mine shown (inserted) by default? I almost always want to inline quote for context.

And... I love breaking the rules by not wrapping my plain text message bodies (because that generally works better with other people's email services and with on-line message archives that dynamically word-wrap at the window width); but I don't like that at all for quoted text. So could I have a wrap button that re-wraps paragraphs (blank line separated) and if the paragraph is reply quoted ("> ") inserts the quote marking on each of the wrapped lines. Note, a line with only the quote marking should also be considered a paragraph separator.

-- Shal


locked Customizing invitation message

 

I'm trying to customize an invitation message to send to prospective new members. Does that particular text box on the 'Invitation To Be Sent' allow hard returns? I'd like to break my note into a couple paragraphs, but it all comes out as one big paragraph. Any guidance would be appreciated. Thanks!
Dano


locked Re: Calendar is live

Duane
 

I think I found another glitch on the calendar. I set up an event for July, set reminders for 4 weeks and 8 weeks, and added it. When I clicked on the event, it had changed them to minutes. I also tried setting it to hours and days, but it still shows minutes when I go back in.

Duane


locked Re: Not getting copies of messages I sent to my group

David P. Dillard
 

Mr Google and Mr Gmail will be most upset by this development. <g>



Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@temple.edu

On Tue, 27 Jan 2015, pnrfan@gmail.com wrote:

Sounds like a sweet deal to me! Looking forward to it.
Trish
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Trish,

> If Mark says he's got a workaround planned,
> I'll just wait and see if that fixes it for me.

The work-around probably replaces the Message-ID inserted by Gmail with one generated by Groups.io. If that's the
case it will undoubtedly work for you and everyone - Gmail would no longer think that it is the same message coming
back.

-- Shal


locked Re: Not getting copies of messages I sent to my group

David P. Dillard
 

I have actually seen this work with some of my posts that are on lists that are moderated and the owner/moderator forwards the message to the list members. I do receive such messages in my email even though I sent the message.




Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@temple.edu


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On Tue, 27 Jan 2015, Shal Farley wrote:

Trish,

If Mark says he's got a workaround planned,
I'll just wait and see if that fixes it for me.
The work-around probably replaces the Message-ID inserted by Gmail with one generated by Groups.io. If that's the case it will undoubtedly work for you and everyone - Gmail would no longer think that it is the same message coming back.

-- Shal




locked Re: Switching to thread view

 

I think the browser Back button probably is the best choice.  That also allows me to open a thread in a new tab, so I haven't really left my previous view.



locked Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site over the past two days:

  • Markdown support rolled out with code syntax highlighting
  • Much less strict when generating placeholder messages, to reduce message number jumps
  • Fixed the empty reason field in pending message rejection emails
  • Changed Archives -> Messages, cleaned up some naming/breadcrumb issues
  • Many navigation improvements between various archive views and replies
  • Emoji support smiley_cat
  • New user preference: Default post type

Mark


locked Re: Another observation - this time about trailing trash

 

This is something that you should be able to enforce and somewhat control on your own groups. I, and others on one of my groups, have slow connections, so I insist on trimming all but the relevant portion. In "the good old days" of Yahoo Classic, I would first put someone on moderation when they did this, correct the first post or two, then just outright reject them ...
As happens so often, we're seeing the diversity of the types of people that use the groups system. Mark, I wish you the wisdom of Solomon to sort out the different viewpoints.

Given the nature of some of our older members, such rejections would do more harm than good. We have guys who have trouble even staying active on the group, but their memories and reminisces are invaluable. (That's another reason some of us may need some pretty extensive moderator controls.) The problem is that we can't run everyone moderated because we don't have enough moderators to handle all the traffic. As it is, I do maintain some of the worst offenders on moderation so I can edit their posts. Unfortunately, this can slow down the flow of conversations and sometimes threads die because of it.

I'd just like a way to limit the amount of unchanged text. Maybe even a limited number of lines after the latest new text. I'm just trying to ponder this out.

Dano


locked Re: Switching to thread view

 

Good idea. I've added a 'View Thread' link at the bottom of every message in expanded view. Right now, once you go there, the only way to get back is the browser back button. Suggestions for a better way to handle that are appreciated.
I think "back" would be fine, especially if you include the blue bar showing the original location.

Dano


locked Re: Another observation - this time about trailing trash

Duane
 

This is something that you should be able to enforce and somewhat control on your own groups. I, and others on one of my groups, have slow connections, so I insist on trimming all but the relevant portion. In "the good old days" of Yahoo Classic, I would first put someone on moderation when they did this, correct the first post or two, then just outright reject them until the poster figured out that I was serious. As someone mentioned, Groups.io shouldn't be limited to what the old Yahoo groups were, but I don't know if auto-trim would be worthwhile. It would have to be a group specific option for the exceptions like the computer help group that Judy mentioned.

Having said that, when I helped archive a group for someone in 2013, there was one post that was over 200KB in plain text, so message length and posting etiquette vary widely amongst groups.

Duane