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moderated Re: New editor - slow typing?

 

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 09:26 am, Shal Farley wrote:
I was referring to your prior description ("to get a blank line") as like a typewriter.

My bad. I committed the same mental typo here as there. I meant, to get a new line. 
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moderated Re: New editor - slow typing?

 

Well, that's great detective work but I wouldn't count on fixing this "bug." As I said before, call me a pessimist but I think this baby should be tossed with the bathwater. :)

J

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Everett Kaser <everett@...> wrote:
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On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 08:56 am, J_Catlady wrote:
> I would not blame this on using HTML and IE (although I would blame IE for a
> lot of other things).  People should be able to use HTML and any browser. The
> purpose of the experiment was to see if the slowdown is the fault of groups.io
> overall (as was previously suspected in a thread in GMF) or the editor (as I
> suspected). I think the jury is in and I think your friend might be right that
> this editor is using a very stupid algorithm.
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No, I wasn't trying to blame it on them, merely trying to list the conditions under which the bug appeared to rear its ugly head.
It's easier to fix a bug when it can be reproduced. :-)))

Everett





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moderated Re: New editor - slow typing?

 

J,

That should read: to break one line into two (no blank line in
between) takes two clicks. Shal said in GMF that's like a typewriter.
No, I was referring to your prior description ("to get a blank line") as like a typewriter. I haven't reproduced your symptom of needing two clicks of Enter to break a line.

Shal


moderated Re: New editor - slow typing?

 

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On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 08:56 am, J_Catlady wrote:
I would not blame this on using HTML and IE (although I would blame IE for a
lot of other things).  People should be able to use HTML and any browser. The
purpose of the experiment was to see if the slowdown is the fault of groups.io
overall (as was previously suspected in a thread in GMF) or the editor (as I
suspected). I think the jury is in and I think your friend might be right that
this editor is using a very stupid algorithm.
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No, I wasn't trying to blame it on them, merely trying to list the conditions under which the bug appeared to rear its ugly head.
It's easier to fix a bug when it can be reproduced. :-)))

Everett


moderated Re: New editor - slow typing?

 

Ok, that's interesting.

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 08:41 am, J_Catlady wrote:

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> C'mon. The old editor didn't do this.
>

Actually, I did, in fact, see this same behavior on the old editor now and then when I was in HTML mode.  Just not as obvious or as often.

Duane





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moderated Re: New editor - slow typing?

 

Everett,

"2 weeks" ago is awfully suspicious that this might be related to the
"new editor" changes.
As J says, that seems likely.

Oh, and he's located in Germany.
That is probably a key factor: the round-trip time of a message from his computer, to Groups.io's servers, and the response back. Unfortunately groups.io doesn't respond to ping so I'm not sure how to get a measurement of it.

Shal


moderated Re: New editor - slow typing?

 

Everett,

If I try the same in Google Chrome I do not experience this slowdown.
So probably a problem with an Internet Explorer update.
Interesting.

The new editor (TinyMCE) is written in Javascript, and various browsers may have differences in their support for Javascript features and in their performance executing Javascript. So that too could be a factor.

Shal


moderated Re: New editor - slow typing?

Duane
 

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 08:41 am, J_Catlady wrote:


C'mon. The old editor didn't do this.
Actually, I did, in fact, see this same behavior on the old editor now and then when I was in HTML mode. Just not as obvious or as often.

Duane


moderated Re: New editor - slow typing?

 

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 08:47 am, Everett Kaser wrote:

So, it looks like it's a combination of having your edit mode set to HTML and using a particular version of Internet Explorer (most likely).

I would not blame this on using HTML and IE (although I would blame IE for a lot of other things).  People should be able to use HTML and any browser. The purpose of the experiment was to see if the slowdown is the fault of groups.io overall (as was previously suspected in a thread in GMF) or the editor (as I suspected). I think the jury is in and I think your friend might be right that this editor is using a very stupid algorithm.

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: New editor - slow typing?

 

Okay, heard back on the HTML/TEXT test. He says:

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Aha - I had HTML set in my preferences (which is nice if you want to include code snippets) a setting.
The slowdown occurred when about 300 words are indicated at the bottom right edge of the edit window.

Now I have switched to TEXT mode and typed a lot of nonsense - as usual.
Now this effect seems to be gone. I also notice that TEXT mode does not list the number of words typed.
So I guess that the editor reads through the whole text each time a character is typed to find word breaks/spaces and counts the words.
This would explain the slowdown, which however seems to exponential than linear but may depend on the algorithm they use for searching spaces.
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So, it looks like it's a combination of having your edit mode set to HTML and using a particular version of Internet Explorer (most likely).

Everett


moderated Re: New editor - slow typing?

 

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 07:50 am, Duane wrote:
Any time you use a WYSIWYG/interactive editor over a network, the network connection is going to be involved in the speed of display, depending on how much checking goes on while typing.

C'mon. The old editor didn't do this. The key here might be "depending on how much checking goes on." That other person's guess about the checking being exponential (re-reading the whole thing each time) seems not such a remote possibility with this editor.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: New editor - slow typing?

Duane
 

I wouldn't blame it all on IE (or any other browser.) Any time you use a WYSIWYG/interactive editor over a network, the network connection is going to be involved in the speed of display, depending on how much checking goes on while typing. Being in an area where internet access speeds are limited, I probably see this more than some folks. It's one of the reasons that I tend to use plain text. That creates another possible problem though. I can quickly type a message since it's done locally, but sometimes my network connection is slow or gone by the time I click the Send button. BTW, I've got a working ASR-35, but shipping to Germany might be prohibitive! ;>)

Duane


moderated Re: New editor - slow typing?

 

I've given him directions for changing to PLAIN TEXT and
asked him to try that. I'll post results when I hear.

I've tried Microsoft Edge here (don't have IE), and it seems
to work in HTML, Markdown, and Plain Text, although I DID
notice that the HTML mode counts words, but only seems
to update the count when typing pauses for a second or so.
Maybe on IE it doesn't wait for the pause and is counting
words between every keystroke?

Everett


moderated Re: New editor - slow typing?

 

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 07:18 am, J_Catlady wrote:
the fact that to create a blank line now takes TWO clicks of the return key.

That should read: to break one line into two (no blank line in between) takes two clicks. Shal said in GMF that's like a typewriter. :) 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: New editor - slow typing?

 

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 07:21 am, Everett Kaser wrote:
Funny. Maybe the editor re-reads the whole text on each character
typed.

That would be a very bad algorithm. It's not a bad guess. :) 
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: New editor - slow typing?

 

Okay, just heard back from the fellow. He says:

My configuration is
Window 7 Enterprise, 64 bit
Internet Explorer 11.0.42
Now that I am typing this, everything seems to be working fine...
But now the more I am typing/editing, it slows down to a few characters
per second and now to about 5 chars per second... going decreasing
with each character. Also cursor movement is affected.
Funny. Maybe the editor re-reads the whole text on each character
typed. I should get a fast ASR-33 teletype ;-)
If I try the same in Google Chrome I do not experience this slowdown.
So probably a problem with an Internet Explorer update.


moderated Re: New editor - slow typing?

 

I don't know if there already is one, but perhaps we should start a dedicated "editor problems" thread. There's the known block quote issue, and also the fact that to create a blank line now takes TWO clicks of the return key. There's also the fact that in editing a message, the HTML shows up first for a nanosecond and then disappears. And possibly this. I am lobbying for another replacement because I think this editor is worse than the last one.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: New editor - slow typing?

 

People have posted about this problem in GMF and I've strongly suspected the new editor as well. Prompted by my suggestion that the affected people try typing something in that doesn't go through the editor, Shal suggested that the people (temporarily) switch to plain text and type their messages and see if the same thing happens. I don't know if anyone has tried that yet.
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated New editor - slow typing?

 

A member of two of the groups I own/moderate has just posted this:

Since about 2 weeks I experience incredibly slow response when typing text into a message editor window.
After typing in the first 10 or 20 characters each character seems to be echoed with a speed of 300, nah, more like 1-5 baud.
Is it only me who experiences this slowdown? Or the system's reminder to keep replies short?
"2 weeks" ago is awfully suspicious that this might be related to the "new editor" changes.
I've asked for the browser and OS that he's running, and will add that here when I get a reply.
Oh, and he's located in Germany.

Everett


moderated Restrict Creation of Albums #suggestion

Noel Leaver
 

I would like to be able to prevent users from creating new albums, but allow them to post within selected albums.

I hoped that setting "Subscribers can view, moderators can upload" and then setting "Group Access" on an album would do this, but it does not override.

I suggest there should be a new option under photo settings "Subscribers can view and upload, only moderators can create new albums". This should also disallow users from editing the properties of albums.

To go with this there should be a third option on albums of "View only  / Only moderators can upload".

Noel

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