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moderated Re: Potential search change

Duane
 

I just can't understand why you have such a difficult time. I've found 4 or 5 ways to get to a group with the Messages view still showing, but only 1 that always brings up the Topics view (2 if you count a bookmark.)

Duane


moderated Re: Potential search change

 

In other words, I don't want just a list of topics. I want the latest message. 

I think the reasons are unimportant. Some people are going to prefer one thing over the other. Actually, even here in beta, after getting a message via email, I usually want to respond to it via the web. So when I go to the group on the web, I want to immediately access the latest message in order to respond to it (as I'm doing right now). But instead of that, I'm taken to the topic and then have to click on the arrow and then on "messages" to get to where I want to. It's laborious. 

I've sort of given up on this, but whenever an opportune time comes up via a related issue, I bring it up again, as I have here. But I hope that at some point Mark makes a decision about this one way or the other.
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moderated Re: Potential search change

 

On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 03:00 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
I could never moderate in as hands-on a way as you do

I'm not sure what you mean by "moderate," but our group does not moderate actively, especially compared to some others (GMF, for example). In fact, our group is unmoderated and only a handful of members are on moderation. However, I do take pains to keep very up-to-date on everything that everyone has posted, so that, for example, I can lend support with a cat in crisis, or correct a misstatement of veterinary medical information (which stands to harm other cats if group members reading believe it), or learn when the vet in our group corrects me or someone else, etc. The standard of accuracy is important for the well-being of the cats in the group. (Of course the cats aren't the ones in the group. :)
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

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moderated Re: Potential search change

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 08:05 am, J_Catlady wrote:
I wonder if the preference for topics vs individual message search results has at least partly to do with whether you're an active moderator of a group (Brian, it's my understanding that you moderate one group, but I'm not sure how active you are?) vs. mainly a group member.

 I don't think it has as much to do with whether I'm a moderator or not.   But it does have to do with the "active" part - particularly from my perspective of how you've described the moderation process on your group.

I could never moderate in as hands-on a way as you do (and that's not a criticism, just an observation).   I also don't, on any place I moderate, hold myself personally responsible for maintaining a specific standard of accuracy regarding content, and you do.

On the groups.io group I moderate the only thing I am responsible for is merging threads back together that get split by something as silly as deleting a character in the subject line of a message when replying.  I do this on a very regular basis, and all I do is look at the titles of the topics/threads and if one says, "Maple trees that grow well in the South," while another says, "Maple tree that grow well in the South," those two topics are merged without my even reading them if they are occurring in a timeframe that makes it apparent that we're dealing with one topic.

It's up to the participants in said threads to take up any issues they have with the content as it is presented.  The group here I moderate for does not actively moderate individual posts (except for brand new members, and briefly) and if I were to be in a situation where genuine oversight of all content were desired then the group would be 100% moderated for each and every post, at least until a member has demonstrated that this is not necessary in their case.

I am often looking for a specific message, but in my head I also know what thread or threads it was most likely contained in.  My mind tends to latch on to topics first and specific "keywords" that have floated through on a given topic in a far looser way.
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saving history or members page for past members in premium groups

 

Hi Mark,

I notice that a premium group now has a new category of members, called "past." I recall that the idea was to make premium groups keep the history, or the members page, of past members so that after they leave, moderators can see what their activity had been before leaving. But (at least as of now - perhaps you're planning to expand the feature), that doesn't happen. The list only gives the names of the past members, and they're not clickable. So this morning I had a group member unsubscribed due to marking a message as spam, and I was unable to find her past history, including whether or not she'd ever even posted to the group. (A search of her email address in the group activity log yielded, as before, the entire activity log - I think that's already a known bug? If not I can send an email to support.)

Are there plans to include the history or member page of past members in premium groups?

Thanks.
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated make privacy a function of individual wiki pages #suggestion

 

It would be handy to allow some wiki pages to be publicly accessible and others private to a group.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Potential search change

 

On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 11:22 am, Duane wrote:
The only time it takes me to the Topics view, if I have been using Messages view, is if I enter the group using the group name on the overview page

We've had this discussion before, and I still think that "feature" should be fixed. As you mentioned, it seems to be an oversight... 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Potential search change

Duane
 

On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 09:04 am, J_Catlady wrote:


On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 08:44 am, Duane wrote:


(It doesn't remember if you click the group name from the overview page
[might be an oversight there],
That's exactly right. And it doesn't remember if you go in and out of
groups.io, even without logging out. 
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J
Strange. The only time it takes me to the Topics view, if I have been using Messages view, is if I enter the group using the group name on the overview page. I can roam all over, close the browser, even log out, and it still goes back to messages view.

Duane


moderated Re: Potential search change

 

On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 08:44 am, Duane wrote:
(It doesn't remember if you click the group name from the overview page [might be an oversight there],

That's exactly right. And it doesn't remember if you go in and out of groups.io, even without logging out. 
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Potential search change

Duane
 

On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 08:05 am, J_Catlady wrote:


This is also why the default to Topics view on clicking "Messages" is such a
PITA for me.
Why not change your default to Messages then? The group will remember how you last looked at it, so if you were in Messages view, that should come up next time you click on Messages. (It doesn't remember if you click the group name from the overview page [might be an oversight there], but does from the drop down menu of Your Groups.)

Duane


moderated Re: Potential search change

 

I wonder if the preference for topics vs individual message search results has at least partly to do with whether you're an active moderator of a group (Brian, it's my understanding that you moderate one group, but I'm not sure how active you are?) vs. mainly a group member. I am always looking for a very specific message, usually the latest one, having to do with the search term because I keep a very active handle on what's going on in my group. If, for example, I search on "cobalamin," or "Fluffy," I am virtually always looking for the most recent *message* (not topic) discussing cobalamin or the cat Fluffy, not a bunch of topics that I then have to search through. This is also why the default to Topics view on clicking "Messages" is such a PITA for me. It's fine for people looking for conversations having to do with the term, but not useful for someone like me looking for the latest activity on it.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Potential search change

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

I far prefer the collapsed view with a topics list when I'm doing a search.

Clearly there are those who want an "expand all" feature and those of us who'd also prefer to be able to expand only the topic or topics we wish to do that for.  An "expand all" button should be fairly easy to implement and would just show what comes up by default now.

I generally know the topic I'm looking for once I see it and always use the "collapse topics" feature immediately when search results are returned.  I'm the flip side of those who want to look at messages only, which I find exceedingly tedious when I generally recognize a topic once it's been brought back into view and, thus, into my memory.
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moderated Mid-Year Groups.io Update - about time for another one

 

Mark,

I was searching for something and stumbled on last year's message. Is it time again for a half-year in review?

I know you've got quite a few kettles on the fire at the moment, but when would you not?

Shal


moderated Re: Potential search change

 

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 12:35 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

> I would make it so that you could 'expand' each result and see the
> individual message matches per topic.

If that expansion must be done on a per-topic basis, rather than
expanding all results with one click, that would be a dealbreaker for me.
I argee.


moderated All posts by this member to profile page

Benoît Dumeaux
 

Not find the option to this page for find all the posts send by the user.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/profile/@Dreadaxe

Don't find topics created by this user.
Don't find number of likes or search to all the post with like.


moderated Re: @Mention

Benoît Dumeaux
 

So no news
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moderated Re: Search identically topic

Benoît Dumeaux
 

On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 10:21 am, Benoît Dumeaux wrote:
When you tape topic subject maybe that could be great to have search on the similar topics and make suggestions.

 When writing the subject of a topic a search would be done for make suggestions on replies to an existing topic and not create a new one.


moderated Re: About Messages and Search buttons

Benoît Dumeaux
 

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 03:50 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I've changed all the split dropdowns to be normal dropdowns.

Excellent.

I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. If you want to know why it's a dialog box for search instead of just a text field, that's so that things fit better on smaller screens.

Sur about this? I have a smaller screen. Example of text field http://www.warhammer-forum.com/

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moderated Site Updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • INTERNAL: Work on upgrading search to new software and new indices.
  • INTERNAL: Work on the API.
  • SYSADMIN: Updated Elasticsearch nodes.
  • CHANGE: Allowing CSS font-family declarations in archive messages.
  • BUGFIX: Replies in groups with a subdomain from the All Threads view were broken.
  • CHANGE: Changed all split dropdowns to 'normal' dropdowns.
  • INTERNAL: Doing commits more often in the cleaner cronjob to avoid shared memory issues with the database.

Have a good weekend everybody.

Mark


moderated Re: Potential search change

 

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 12:35 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
rather than expanding all results with one click

I was assuming it would be all results with one click. Per topic would be a dealbreaker for me, too. I also agree about the snippet showing the context. That's more than 50% of what makes the search useful for me. I'll go further and say search is practically useless without it. 
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

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