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moderated Re: strip out another automatic advertisement? #suggestion

Dave Sergeant
 

Why should groups.io be removing things put into emails by user's valid
software. I don't particularly approve of these 'checked as virus free'
signatures but they were put there for a purpose and are a valid
content of emails.

On a related theme, I particularly frown on moderators on some groups
who edit messages before approving them taking out things they don't
think should be there. Moderation of messages should be just about
stopping offensive and clearly spam postings getting through, it should
not be changing the content of messages themselves which is verging on
censorship.

Different groups have different policies. I tend to stay away from
groups with moderators like this.

Dave

On 17 May 2017 at 22:27, J_Catlady wrote:

Mark,

I think you stripped out some of these in the past, but another one just
appeared tonight:

(
http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_
campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail ) Virus-free. www.avg.com (
http://www.avg.com ) (
http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_
campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail )

Anything you can do? It appeared at the bottom of an email from a new
member.

Thanks!

http://davesergeant.com


moderated strip out another automatic advertisement? #suggestion

 

Mark,

I think you stripped out some of these in the past, but another one just appeared tonight:

Virus-free. www.avg.com

Anything you can do? It appeared at the bottom of an email from a new member.

Thanks!

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Continuing problems with text editing: Did drastic surgery to remove imbedded table in this message

 

Jennifer,

Thank you for pointing out where the "Advanced Options" for editing
are hiding. I was confused by the reference to it ...
Another item for your "Bag of Tricks" (if it isn't already in there) - when faced with a new user interface (at least on web sites), hover your cursor over all the buttons and links (and other things you see) and pause for a moment to read any "hover text" that may appear.

Those are also sometimes called "tooltips" or "mouseover" text. For the "hamburger" menu on the tiny MCE editor's formatting toolbar the hover text is "Show Advanced Toolbar".

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Re: Continuing problems with text editing: Did drastic surgery to remove imbedded table in this message

Jennifer Christian
 

Brian -

Thank you for pointing out where the "Advanced Options" for editing are hiding.  I was confused by the reference to it in Mark's message and came to the Beta Group site just now to see if it had been discussed.   The hamburger stack seems AWFULLY SUBTLE -- I doubt most editors will ever find it.   And yet the advanced menu seems quite good.  Now I'll start using it.

Thanks again,
Jennifer


moderated Re: Continuing problems with text editing: Did drastic surgery to remove imbedded table in this message

Jennifer Christian
 

Tony -

Thanks a million for that suggestion/reminder about moving html formatted text into Notepad to launder away tables/graphics/formatting oddities.  Theoretically, I have known I can do that kind of thing in Notepad -- and have done it on occasion.  But I didn't have it filed in my brain under "Groups.io Editor's Bag of Tricks".  Now, it IS in there.   THANK YOU again. 

Jennifer


moderated Re: Continuing problems with text editing: Did drastic surgery to remove imbedded table in this message

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Mark,

         You mention "the advanced menu" which threw me for a moment given how much of Groups.io is structured.  In this case I figured out it meant the now-becoming-standard "hamburger stack" menu button that is rightmost on the only row of the non-advanced display or the top row of the advanced display.

          Just thought I'd throw this out there for others who are beta testing this editor.
--
Brian

 

       Personally, I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught.

             ~ Winston Churchill


moderated Re: Continuing problems with text editing: Did drastic surgery to remove imbedded table in this message

Tony Moody
 

Hallo Jennifer,

Re point 3 above. Trick to convert HTML to text in preparation to re-layout,

  • Open the .html in a web browser; (Firefox in my case),
  • Select what you want and Copy/Paste into a plain text editor; (I use Editpad lite or NotePad++ ). This discards most of the html tags, meta, scripts, pictures and borders etc. The <br> tags get removed which will crunch sentences together and which will need dealing with when formatting/styling.
  • That leaves all the text more or less intact for Copying into your 'fancy' editor (Summernote or TinyMCE).

OK,

Tony


moderated Re: New HTML footer

 

One group I administer has asked if their links to Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram can be included in every sent message. I have done that using the footer field in the options, but now they're asking of the footer could include (or, better yet, substitute) the Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram icons which, when clicked, would go to those pages for the group. Is that possible?


moderated Re: Continuing problems with text editing: Did drastic surgery to remove imbedded table in this message

 

Hi Jennifer,

I've added your email address to the TinyMCE editor beta test. Now, you will see a new editor when you edit pending messages, start a new topic, or reply to an existing message. Hopefully it should work a lot better. It has undo and redo buttons under the Advanced Menu. And it should hopefully handle pasting much better as well. Please let me know how it works for you.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Continuing problems with text editing: Did drastic surgery to remove imbedded table in this message

Jennifer Christian
 

Hi, Mark –

 

I am really committed that my members receive messages that are formatted for easy reading without a lot of junk to distract the eye.   There are THREE things would make the life of a text editing and formatting moderator such as me VERY much easier.

 

  1. An undo button?
  2. A “copy and paint this format” paintbrush button? 
  3. The ability to delete tables and the ghostly images/text boxes left after I delete the text in notices posted at the top or bottom of emails by zix and other email virus protection /security programs

 

When people send messages to Groups.io in html with parts that have been constructed using tables, the text editor is simply inadequate.  A message I had forwarded to the Roundtable began with a huge colored box that had giant text in it, with the meat of the material below that.   I was able to edit out the big box and unwanted text, but that left literally 20 lines of blank table between the end of my message and substance of the message I was forwarding.  In other words, nearly a whole screen’s worth of blank space.

 

So I, brashly ignorant fool willing to rush in where educated angels are supposed to go, opened the source view, pored through the html, figured out where the text began, remembered that < and > signs tend to indicate starts and stops and then just whacked at the code to prune out what might be the table.  Luckily, it turned out all right.   See below.  Mark, I will forward you at support@groups.io the original of the message I forwarded.

 

Cordially,

Jennifer Christian

Moderator, Work Fitness & Disability Roundtable

 

From: WFDRoundtable@groups.io [mailto:WFDRoundtable@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jennifer Christian MD
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:52 PM
To: WFDRoundtable@groups.io
Subject: [WFDRoundtable] Worrisome data re: risk of heart attack while on NSAIDs

 

The Slow Medicine gang has just alerted us to the NON-TRIVIAL increased risk of heart attack among people using NSAIDS (of all types) – even when they are used for as little as a week.  

Based on the data from a big but unrandomized UK study, the Slow Medicine gang went a step further and made an incredibly sensible recommendation for a head-to-head randomized controlled trial to compare both the effectiveness (benefits) AND the adverse effects (risks) of the most common pain relievers:   acetaminophen, aspirin, and the various other NSAIDS -- and placebo.   

And THEN, they commented that since all drugs have risks, let’s pay more attention to NON-pharmacologic treatments for pain—particularly behavioral interventions(for which there is growing evidence of effectiveness.  I just love it when people connect the dots and say things clearly like these folks do!

See  below -- I apologize for the extra line spaces.  For some reason, I couldn't delete all of them.   

Cordially,
Jennifer Christian, MD, MPH
Moderator, Work Fitness & Disability Roundtable

Email & online discussion group with >1,000 multi-stakeholder professional members

Go to www.webility.md and click on JOIN THE ROUNDTABLE to find out more or join

 

Update in Slow Medicine: The CV Risk of NSAIDs

Last year, an important study demonstrated that the selective COX-2 inhibitor celecoxib was non-inferior to the standard NSAIDs ibuprofen and naproxen with respect to cardiovascular (CV) safety. This finding was particularly noteworthy in light of CV concerns related to another COX-2 inhibitor, rofecoxib (Vioxx).

Should we be reassured about COX-2 inhibitors? It is of course good news that celecoxib is no worse than standard NSAIDs with respect to CV safety. But what if standard NSAIDs also carry CV risk?

NSAIDs, which are available over the counter, represent one of the most widely used classes of medication, and the vast majority of users do not experience cardiovascular (CV) events following their use. But because these medications are so prevalent, even a small effect of these drugs on CV risk could carry with it a profound impact on public health.

Last month, the British Medical Journal (BMJ) published a new systematic review and meta-analysis of non-randomized studies comparing rates of myocardial infarction among NSAID users and non-users. The results showed that:

  • "Taking any dose of NSAIDs for one week, one month, or more than a month was associated with an increased risk of myocardial infarction.
  • "With use for one to seven days ... [the] odds ratios were 1.24 (0.91 to 1.82) for celecoxib, 1.48 (1.00 to 2.26) for ibuprofen, 1.50 (1.06 to 2.04) for diclofenac, 1.53 (1.07 to 2.33) for naproxen, and 1.58 (1.07 to 2.17) for rofecoxib. Greater risk of myocardial infarction was documented for higher dose of NSAIDs.
  • In summary, "all NSAIDs, including naproxen, were found to be associated with an increased risk of acute myocardial infarction. Risk of myocardial infarction with celecoxib was comparable to that of traditional NSAIDS and was lower than for rofecoxib. Risk was greatest during the first month of NSAID use and with higher doses."

This new BMJ study was not an randomized controlled trial (RCT), and it is quite possible that these findings resulted from confounding. Perhaps, for example, patients who take NSAIDs are sicker at baseline than non-users, which could explain their higher CV risk.  Nevertheless, we ought to take these concerns seriously as well as other known adverse effects including GI side effects, renal injury, and medication overuse headaches. 

In particular, we think it is time for a large, high-quality RCT comparing the benefits and risks of several common NSAIDs, acetaminophen, and aspirin vs. placebo for common pain syndromes.  Such a study would be expensive and time-consuming, but because of the widespread public health importance of this question, we believe the investment would be justified.

Finally, we would note that pain is an important, yet frequently inadequately addressed symptom. Unfortunately there are no risk-free pharmacologic options for managing pain. While we await more robust data on the benefits and risks of NSAIDs, acetaminophen, and aspirin we advocate a greater focus on non-pharmacologic pain management strategies, particularly behavioral therapies for which there is growing evidence. When pharmacologic therapy is needed, acetaminophen may be the safest first-line option, though more data are needed to confirm this. Also, we should not forget about aspirin, which is associated with Gl, renal side-effects and bleeding risk, but has favorable cardiovascular effects.

 Interested in receiving future Updates? Sign up here.  You can also follow us on Facebook.

 "Updates in Slow Medicine" are the opinion of the authors and are not intended for use as the sole basis for clinical care of individual patients nor as a substitute for reading the original research.

 

 

 

 

 

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moderated Re: no preview of group files again?

 

Never mind. It was a .docx. file, and pdfs still preview fine. (However, they are giving "blocked plug-in" to some group members when reading via gmail...?) 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated no preview of group files again?

 

I'm noticing this morning that group files are again being downloaded instead of previewed when clicked on. Any idea what's up? Thanks.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Polls having problems?

Ginny T.
 

Polls were broken for people who are testing the new TinyMCE editor. It's been fixed.
Ah... had an inkling 😉. Thanks much, Mark 👍🏻
Ginny T.


moderated Re: Group TOU or Guidelines page #suggestion

 

Hi,
I second this proposal. Thanks.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: beta@groups.io [mailto:beta@groups.io] On Behalf Of J_Catlady
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 11:05 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Group TOU or Guidelines page #suggestion

Some groups post their guidelines in a sticky message, some in a wiki page,
others in a file. Some may not store them but just send them out in a
message each month.

I'm thinking that instead, it might make sense to have a devoted page
clickable in the left sidebar, called Group Guidelines (or something like
that), where members can always easily access the group's guidelines -and
know where to find them as they move from one group to another.For groups
without guidelines it could be turned off.

Since the fact that individual groups may have their own TOUs is now
explicitly mentioned in the groups.io TOU, a standard way of publishing them
would seem to make sense. But mostly, I just think this would make it more
convenient for members and moderators alike.

J

J

Sent from my iPhone

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Group TOU or Guidelines page #suggestion

 

Some groups post their guidelines in a sticky message, some in a wiki page, others in a file. Some may not store them but just send them out in a message each month.

I'm thinking that instead, it might make sense to have a devoted page clickable in the left sidebar, called Group Guidelines (or something like that), where members can always easily access the group's guidelines -and know where to find them as they move from one group to another.For groups without guidelines it could be turned off.

Since the fact that individual groups may have their own TOUs is now explicitly mentioned in the groups.io TOU, a standard way of publishing them would seem to make sense. But mostly, I just think this would make it more convenient for members and moderators alike.

J

J

Sent from my iPhone

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Polls having problems?

 

Hi All,

Polls were broken for people who are testing the new TinyMCE editor. It's been fixed.

Thanks,
Mark

On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Ginny,

         No, you're not.  I have had no luck casting a vote in a poll in a group I'm a regular on nor am I able to get the "Show Results" link to do a thing.  I reported this directly to Groups.io support several days ago, but have not as yet heard back.

--
Brian

 

       Personally, I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught.

             ~ Winston Churchill



moderated Re: Polls having problems?

 

Hi,

The poll in question is a multi-choice (as in participants can choose more than one response). When I voted, I was able to submit my answers and see the results.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: beta@groups.io [mailto:beta@groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 2:39 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Polls having problems? #problem

 

Ginny,

         No, you're not.  I have had no luck casting a vote in a poll in a group I'm a regular on nor am I able to get the "Show Results" link to do a thing.  I reported this directly to Groups.io support several days ago, but have not as yet heard back.

--
Brian

 

       Personally, I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught.

             ~ Winston Churchill


moderated Re: Polls having problems?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Ginny,

         No, you're not.  I have had no luck casting a vote in a poll in a group I'm a regular on nor am I able to get the "Show Results" link to do a thing.  I reported this directly to Groups.io support several days ago, but have not as yet heard back.

--
Brian

 

       Personally, I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught.

             ~ Winston Churchill


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • BUGFIX: All day events that spanned multiple days in the ICS feeds were missing the final day, because DTEND in the ICS spec is non-inclusive.
  • BUGFIX: Banning actions were not being logged correctly in the activity log.
  • CHANGE: Display chat closed flash message if attempting to join a previously closed chat.
  • BUGFIX: When editing a topic from the search results, return to the search results when done.
  • CHANGE: Upgraded the official Terms of Service with Oracle's changes.
  • INTERNAL: Upgraded to the latest version of the Stripe library.
  • NEW: Testing a 'Clean Links' function in the edit pending message TinyMCE editor.
  • CHANGES: Various wording changes on the hashtags pages, suggested by J.
  • SYSADMIN: Upgraded system software.
  • INTERNAL: Now storing deploy information, and annotating graphs with it.
  • INTERNAL: More work on the API and the app.

Have a good weekend everybody.

Mark


moderated Polls having problems?

Ginny T.
 

Anyone else having difficulty with the polls the last 24 hours or so? I've used them quite successfully for weeks - but the last day funky things are happening. I belong to another group that is taking attendance via a poll, and my submission is not being taken - nothing happens.
I created a poll on my own group - which it did allow me to do, but I cannot otherwise access it (view the results).

Am I the only one going nuts (which could be a good possibility),
Ginny

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