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moderated Re: Premium group badge?

Bob Bellizzi
 

Ginny, It's unclear exactly what you "beg to differ" about.

Groups and software  and websites have always had differing levels of facility and, along with that, differing levels of free to some cost to high cost.

Something has to earn money to cover the not insignificant costs of Mark's business enterprise and the way the world works is that some of us pay for our service and don't complain about those who don't pay.

Bob Bellizzi, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Premium group badge?

Ginny T.
 

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 06:50 pm, JohnF wrote:

A premium badge might call out groups with more dedicated owners, which could help it stand out in a search.

I beg to respectfully differ on this thought. I've been a group owner for 19 years (continuously, in one place or the other - the first 2 with Mark, stuck with it through Yahoo and now back to Mark) and have no plans of abandoning it.

Being on a fixed income due to disability (for some 28 years), I can't afford to pay out of pocket (I'm extremely grateful to Mark for making the basic level available). I don't wish to levy a fee on my 700+ members as a percentage of them too, are on fixed incomes. The group discussed contributions (and there were several members making initial offers) - but, in the long term donations are not stable. They tend to last a few years and then peter out as people come and go.

Whether the level of the group is a paid/premium one or not has no reflection on the dedication of the owner; rather, it's related to the needs of the group itself. For various reasons the premium level may be a better fit for some if the extras of premium are needed and will be used.  We were/are well-served with the huge range of functions that Mark provides at the basic level. I don't believe that makes the group, or the owner, any less dedicated than the owner of a premium group.

There may be other reasons why a premium badge might be wanted, but using it to signify the dedication of the group owner and group itself I don't believe is a valid one.

Just my thoughts,

Ginny

 


moderated Text in photos description #suggestion

Barb Suess
 

We could really use having the ability to create a hot link in the photo description. We have files that correspond to the photos and that would be an easy way to link the photo and file.

Thanks for your consideration!

Barb Suess


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • INTERNAL: Reviewed ToS changes from Oracle. Almost ready.
  • INTERNAL: More work on the API and reviewing progress on the app.
  • CHANGE: Treat Trello descriptions as plain text, not Markdown.
  • CHANGE: Emailed login links are now valid for 60 minutes.
  • CHANGE: We no longer accept email from servers that do not have reverse DNS records.
  • BUGFIX: When sending a message to a member(s), use your sig if you've set one.
  • BUGFIX: Hashtags were sometimes not displayed when paging through the Topics list.
  • NEW: Delete Account button on the first account page, jumps to new FAQ item in Help.
  • INTERNAL: More work on integrating the TinyMCE editor.
  • INTERNAL: Changed some stats that we track.
  • CHANGE: Changed price of premium group to $30/month. Also, new basic groups no longer have the event RSVP feature.

Have a good weekend everybody.

Mark


moderated New comment

beta@groups.io Integration <beta@...>
 

[Beta] New comment on card "Split Thread Improvements Card" by Mark Fletcher:

Notes from J on issues with thread splitting:

But be aware that if you rename or split any thread, you will be unable to successfully lock or moderate it later, since the renaming creates a loophole through email messages still floating around. For that reason, I never split, merge, or rename threads any more. (This might be on Mark's todo list to fix. I'm unsure of the status.)

Also, you'll find that renaming/splitting is pretty ineffective anyway if some people use email to respond in your group. Those people will continue to respond via the original email thread and that will essentially two branches of the same thread, despite the intention to have two distinct threads. It's another reason I don't rename or split any more.


moderated Updates to Trello

beta@groups.io Integration <beta@...>
 

[Beta] New comment on card "Notifications Overhaul" by Mark Fletcher:

We have another new member who hasn't confirmed. Instead of having to keep checking the members list to see whether or not they've confirmed (and whether or not I need to send another confirmation email), it would be convenient to have a notification option for when a member confirms. (This is probably part of the "notification overhaul" and may already have been discussed and be on the ToDo list. I don't remember.)


[Beta] New card "Maps display" was added to list "Database".


[Beta] The description of card "Maps display" was changed to:

Is there any way to make a directory/ database that includes a map with numbers that then connect to a field in a database?

Like this sort of?
http://la.eater.com/maps/best-santa-monica-restaurants


[Beta] Card "Split Thread function more intelligently split by subthread, not by date" was renamed to "Split Thread Improvements Card".


[Beta] The description of card "Split Thread Improvements Card" was changed to:

Card for collecting requested improvements to the thread splitting function.


[Beta] New comment on card "Split Thread Improvements Card" by Mark Fletcher:

Split Thread function more intelligently split by subthread, not by date


[Beta] New comment on card "Split Thread Improvements Card" by Mark Fletcher:

In splitting a topic, give option to rename the older part instead of the newer part.

See https://groups.io/g/beta/topic/4964766 for discussion.


moderated Updates to Trello

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[Beta] New card "Ability to send a private message to a member when editing their message." was added to list "Messages and Archives".


[Beta] The blue label "Messages & Archives" was added to the card "Ability to send a private message to a member when editing their message.".


[Beta] The description of card "Ability to send a private message to a member when editing their message." was changed to:

From J:

Currently, when a moderator edits a message by a group member, the only system-provided opportunity for giving an explanation to the member is the "reason for edit" box, which is public. In at least half the cases where I edit a message, I end up having to email the member privately to explain the edit, reassure them that they're basically fine but it was just "xyz reason in this particular case" (or whatever), etc. The little "reason for edit" box is cold and has really turned off some people. So if there could be an optional private message sent to the member, in addition to just the "reason for edit" box, that would be great.


[Beta] New card "Conflict resolution when two people are editing a wiki page at the same time." was added to list "Wiki".


[Beta] The description of card "Conflict resolution when two people are editing a wiki page at the same time." was changed to:

See https://groups.io/g/beta/topic/4993391 for a discussion.


[Beta] The purple label "Wiki" was added to the card "Conflict resolution when two people are editing a wiki page at the same time.".


[Beta] New card "Ability to add +1 to RSVPs" was added to list "Calendar".


[Beta] The green label "Calendar" was added to the card "Ability to add +1 to RSVPs".


[Beta] The description of card "Ability to add +1 to RSVPs" was changed to:

If there is a waitlist, and one has already rsvp'd with a plus one, then one cant add or change to a plus 2. that is, the event is full, so you cant add. Period. If the event is NOT full, then a member can change to a plus 2.

and a plus two cant be waitlisted separately from your own rsvp. If you want to do a plus two, you would have to rsvp NO, and then rsvp yes with the plus 2, and take your changes on it all moving up on the waitlist. this can be a bit confusing to members at times, but usually not to the owner/moderators. At least, this is how Meetup does it. meetup also doesnt notify members that they cannot rsvp with a plus one when the owner has disallowed plus ones. It just kicks out their rsvp not accepted. this DOES confuse members, so I have to add NO PLUS ones in the event description.


moderated Updates to Trello

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[Beta] New comment on card "Ability to mark a wiki page as a banner, and revert large sized sticky posts." by Mark Fletcher:

Done.


[Beta] The card "Ability to mark a wiki page as a banner, and revert large sized sticky posts." was archived.


[Beta] New comment on card "Spell check for all textareas." by Mark Fletcher:

Done.


[Beta] The card "Spell check for all textareas." was archived.


[Beta] New card "Create custom codesample plugin for TinyMCE" was added to list "Messages and Archives".


[Beta] The description of card "Create custom codesample plugin for TinyMCE" was changed to:

The included codesample plugin uses prismjs to do code highlighting. We have traditionally used Google's code-prettify.

Prismjs does not guess languages. code-prettify does, which is why we want to continue using code-prettify.

Prismjs expects code blocks starting with '

...
'

code-prettify expects code blocks starting with '

...
'. Note, the language class does not have to be specified.

Currently, we manually convert Markdown, adding classes from code-prettify.

We should create a new plugin based on the existing codesample plugin, that simply adds the correct HTML block. The other changes are that we should remove the Markdown conversion code. And we should call the code-prettify javascript instead of just relying on the CSS.


[Beta] The blue label "Messages & Archives" was added to the card "Create custom codesample plugin for TinyMCE".


moderated Re: Capability to add PDFs or documents #suggestion

 

Frances,

You can open a PDF from a file in a public group in your own group
wiki. I don't expect to be able to open a file in a private group.
No group can make its Files public, there isn't a setting for that. Wiki and Messages can be made public, but not other features as far as I know.

But it would be nice to be able to upload a PDF right into the wiki!
And that would work better for those who want a public wiki.
Or the File section could make an exception and allow access in the case of a link from that group's own public Wiki section. That might have to be a special kind of link (with a "magic cookie" in it) to avoid opening a security loophole that could expose other files.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Re: Capability to add PDFs or documents #suggestion

 

Bob,

BUT! Will a link in a public wiki to a file in the Files area ofa
restricted group activate the file?
Short answer: only if you're logged on as a member of the group.

It doesn't matter whether the group's membership is restricted or not. What matters is that while the Wiki feature has a "Public can view" setting, the files section does not.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Re: Capability to add PDFs or documents #suggestion

Frances
 

You can open a PDF from a file in a public group in your own group wiki. I don't expect to be able to open a file in a private group.

I guess you want a public wiki for a restricted group.

Actually I just wanted to be able to upload a PDF to my private group so that users of the group's wiki can click to open the PDF. So the workaround is good enough for me. But it would be nice to be able to upload a PDF right into the wiki! And that would work better for those who want a public wiki.

Frances



moderated Re: Capability to add PDFs or documents #suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

Just answered my own question.  You cannot open a file in a restricted group unless you are a member.

So the wiki pdf is still sticky

bob bellizzi


moderated Re: Capability to add PDFs or documents #suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

BUT! Will a link in a public wiki to a file in the Files area ofa restricted group activate the file?

Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: Capability to add PDFs or documents #suggestion

Frances
 

Well, I now have a PDF in my wiki!

Thank you to Lena who sent me an example of linking to an uploaded PDF in Files to the wiki. So I uploaded the PDF to Files and used the URL from that page to insert into the wiki using the Link tool.

Works!

Frances

On May 4 17, at 3:36 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

I would be happy with uploading a PDF to Files and then linking to the specific file in the wiki using the Link Tool. Whatever works! I just would like a user to go to a wiki page and find everything on that page or on a link from that page.

As for examples of adding a PDF to a wiki - a Google search adding a pdf to a wiki retrieved several. National Cancer Institute wiki. MediaWiki. Wikipedia!

Wikipedia:Creation_and_usage_of_media_files

It says that "As of March 2012, the following file types may be uploaded: png, gif, jpg/jpeg, xcf, pdf, mid, ogg/ogv/oga, svg, djvu. All others are prohibited for security reasons, and pdf and djvu are intended primarily for projects like Wikisource."

Frances

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moderated Re: Capability to add PDFs or documents #suggestion

Frances
 

I would be happy with uploading a PDF to Files and then linking to the specific file in the wiki using the Link Tool. Whatever works! I just would like a user to go to a wiki page and find everything on that page or on a link from that page.

As for examples of adding a PDF to a wiki - a Google search adding a pdf to a wiki retrieved several. National Cancer Institute wiki. MediaWiki. Wikipedia!

Wikipedia:Creation_and_usage_of_media_files

It says that "As of March 2012, the following file types may be uploaded: png, gif, jpg/jpeg, xcf, pdf, mid, ogg/ogv/oga, svg, djvu. All others are prohibited for security reasons, and pdf and djvu are intended primarily for projects like Wikisource."

Frances


moderated Re: Regarding emailed login links

 

Hi Dano,

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:30 PM, D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:

I just lost a group member. This is most frustrating for me because he made the transition to the new group fine and was getting messages by email. Unfortunately, he was never able to get logged in to the web page and finally gave up in frustration and quit. I had worked with him quite a bit and provided him with the detailed procedure that follows this message.

Can you send me his email address off-list? If the logs haven't rotated out, I can look up his interactions and see what happened.
 
In exchanges with him he indicated that all his attempts at clicking on the link in the email took him to "the page with elephants", which suggests to me that the messages were timing out for him.

What could also be the case is that he has cookies disabled. In which case he'd never be able to log in.

 
This happened repeatedly for him. Is there a way that half hour could be extended to a "Cinderella hour" for members who have problems?

I've bumped the expiration to an hour.

 
Alternately, for premium groups, could there be a way that owners could send (or have sent) a message with a temporary password directly to a member having problems, which they would then have to change upon their first login? These members would have to be fully moderated until we knew they were okay, but it might be a way around the problem that drove my member away.

I can definitely consider something like that. But I'd first like to find out why your member had problems.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Google Docs invite phishing attack

 

On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 12:22 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

The second factor is only required the first time you access Groups.io from a given browser/device -- not on every sign-in.

Slight addition. The login cookie expires every 30 days, which means you have to go through the entire login process every 30 days.

Still, it's a good idea to add it if you can.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated ability to display members list ordered by posting status #suggestion

 

I sometimes wish I could easily see all the members who are on NuM, or on Mod, etc. It would be nice, if feasible, to make that a separate, sortable column in the members list (like display name, delivery method, etc.).
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Google Docs invite phishing attack

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

I guess it really depends on how you interact with cyberspace in general. I use Google Docs extensively, but were I to receive an invitation "out of the blue" from someone I didn't know it would be instant "electronic round file." I make it a point to let anyone that I will be sending an invitation to (which virtually never happens, I just make most things shareable to the world and send a link) that it will be forthcoming and expect the same. For myself, two-factor authentication is gross overkill and I don't use it and have no intention of doing so. Most vulnerabilities are the direct result of inadequate reflection on the part of the user before they take an action.


moderated Re: Google Docs invite phishing attack

 

Dave,

For those of us who don't spend all their time staring at their smart
phones it is far from convenient. My PAYG mobile is only turned on if
and when I need to use it, very rarely, so I won't be enabling two
factor here.
The second factor is only required the first time you access Groups.io from a given browser/device -- not on every sign-in. This makes it far less arduous than you're imagining. It primarily happens when you bring up a new device/machine or install a new browser (or use someone else's computer). Unless you routinely use public computers or for other reasons frequently flush your browser's memory.

I don't use Google Docs either - so any email I receive about that
would be instantly known to be spam.
You don't have to be a Google Docs user to know someone who might want to share a file with you.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum

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