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moderated Re: No option to edit message

DavidC KD4E <qrv@...>
 

Yes, thanks.

For now I will allow editing - I don't see a problem with that ... yet.

:-)


moderated Re: No option to edit message

Frances
 

Agreed, it would be better to put these (edit subject and edit message) together.

BTW, I guess you saw that you can change permissions for your members.  In Admin, Settings, Messages. You can disallow members editing messages. For example, Beta group doesn't allow this. GroupManagersForum does allow editing of my own messages.

Frances


moderated Re: No option to edit message

DavidC KD4E <qrv@...>
 

That was it, thanks!

It's rather non-intuitive.

Why not include "Edit Message" in the drop-down along with "Edit Subject"?

Thanks again!


moderated Re: No option to edit message

Frances
 

Sorry - here's the screenshot:



moderated Re: No option to edit message

Frances
 

Hi David,

Have you tried clicking on More in the bottom of the message? 

Here's what it looks like on my family group on a message I wrote (to my brother David!):

Frances


moderated No option to edit message

DavidC KD4E <qrv@...>
 

In theory this can be done ...

Edit Messages
Edit already posted messages, and view previous revisions of messages.

I'm the Owner of https://se-usatechforum.groups.io/

I'm only offered the option of editing the Subject and not the text of a Message.

Is there a setting I need to toggle somewhere, please?

Thanks!


moderated Re: Local timezone / calendar settings

Duane
 

These are on Mark's to-do list, along with many other things. https://trello.com/b/qu3WgzVq/beta

Duane


moderated Re: Go back to current place in topic search results when acting on topics #suggestion

 

Shal, thanks for the suggestion.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Go back to current place in topic search results when acting on topics #suggestion

 

J,

I've been going through some old topics based on search criteria.
Every time I do something to one of them (such as lock it), I am
taken out of the search results and back to the top of the complete
topics list, and have to do the search over again.
You may well know this already, but one work-around for this is to not leave the search results page.

Instead of clicking on at item use Ctrl+Shift+click - open in new tab and switch to it. That way when you're done with the item you simply close the new tab and the browser puts you back in the original tab - the still-open result list.

That works in Firefox and the other browsers I've used (Chrome, IE). Or you can right-click on the link and select the option of your choice. Your mileage may vary on other browsers, but there's probably an equivalent easy way to open a link in a new tab or window, rather than opening it in the current tab/window.

That isn't to say Mark shouldn't improve what happens with the groups.io site, but I've found that trick extremely useful on many different sites. So much so that my left fingers automatically move to Ctrl+Shift whenever I think of clicking on a link.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Local timezone / calendar settings

Erik Finskas OH2LAK
 

I think half of the world would appreciate the possibility to customize the timestamp format and also the calendar preferences.

24 hours indication instead of AM/PM and calendar beginning on Monday and European date formats like MM.DD.YYYY etc.


..

Erik


moderated Localized automated messages related to subscription, confirmation of subscription etc.

Erik Finskas OH2LAK
 

Hello dear beta group.

I would add to the wish list a possibility to customize the automated messages related to subsciption, confirmations etc. It would improve greatly the acceptance of a new platform (we're in process of moving Finnish groups to Groups.io) that the messages could be provided in local language.

..

Erik


moderated Re: Group transfer process suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

I'm assuming you post is meant for group owners/moderators who intend to move their group to groups.io.

We moved our group in May 2016 which then had over 140,000 posts and 3000 members and it went off without a hitch.

I agree, no sense telling them till it works on the new site.

Bob Bellizzi, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Go back to current place in topic search results when acting on topics #suggestion

 

I've been going through some old topics based on search criteria. Every time I do something to one of them (such as lock it), I am taken out of the search results and back to the top of the complete topics list, and have to do the search over again.

Would it be possible to be taken back to where you were in topic search results after acting on a particular topic within the results?
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Group transfer process suggestion

 

Based on my experience moving a large group with a large archive, I would like to offer the following suggestion:
• Don't send out the notice letter telling members they have been moved until after the message archive is done populating.

In the group in question, the rush to post caused a number of messages to fall into the middle of the transferred message archives, which had not completely transferred. (We had in excess of 30,000 posts, which took a few hours.) Additionally, I had a large number of people who thought they needed to move themselves, causing even more mayhem. I liken the ensuing chaos to trying to pour a concrete sidewalk in front of an elementary school on a Friday afternoon. The suggestion is intended to not let them know until the concrete is set. Thanks!

Dano


moderated Poll Results #suggestion

Ginny T.
 

While we're writing a wish list for polls, it would be a big help to be able to email results to only the moderator(s), rather than the group as it is now. There are times when a poll is done to help owners and moderators work up programming, collect input, etc., when emailing results to the membership is not necessarily applicable but of high value to the administrators of the group.

Ginny


moderated Re: log activity when someone responds to a poll #suggestion

Ginny T.
 

I agree that this being added to the activity log would be wonderful!

Ginny




moderated Re: log activity when someone responds to a poll #suggestion

 

Another poll suggestion: would it be possible to have a link to the "results so far" to send the group via a message in the poll thread?  I'm looking for a simple way to update group members on the results so far, and to encourage them to take part in the poll. I tried sending the URL for the results page but it just linked back to the thread itself. (This is not as important as my first request, which is that there be some indication in the logs, or any log, that there was activity in the poll. Currently the only way to see that is to go into the actual poll.)
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: From another list-serv: Replace yourself with MAUDERATOR, a civility bot for online communication

Dave
 

I would prefer you as "stunningly gullible" rather than "cynically jaundiced" ;-)

David


moderated Re: From another list-serv: Replace yourself with MAUDERATOR, a civility bot for online communication

Jennifer Christian
 

Yes, I am stunningly gullible.   I just noticed the date on Gary's message.  Oh, dear.  I was had.  And if you believed my posting, so were you. 

Embarrassed at yet again falling for an April Fool's trick.  When my son told me the word "gullible" wasn't in the dictionary, I reached over to pull the book off the shelf and check. 

Jennifer


moderated From another list-serv: Replace yourself with MAUDERATOR, a civility bot for online communication

Jennifer Christian
 

Gary Greenberg, author of the email below, has an EXTREMELY dry sense of humor, and yet this is not a joke.  He has moderated the OEM list-serv of 3,000+ professional members since 1993 using an evolving series of technologies to do so.  He has been an “early adopter” of new stuff.  So he has decided to replace himself with a robot moderator – from Google.

 

Smiling,

Jennifer Christian
WFDRoundtable@groups.io

ACOEM WFD Section@groups.io

Etc.

 

From: Gary Greenberg [mailto:gngreenberg@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 8:06 AM
Subject: Alert: Forum now under automatic supervision. Introducing Mauderator, a civility bot for online communication

 

​​April 1, 2017

 

My continuous, single-sourced operation of the Occ-Env-Med-L forum since November 1993 is ending, and ongoing management will be performed by a robot. 

 

Our forum is generally a well-functioning community, distributing professional content among its nearly 3,000 readers without palpable oversight. Occasions do arise when internet 'troll' behavior is spotted, and a message (or an errant thread) needs restraint or interruption.

 

An internet troll is defined (in 2002!) as:

One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.

 

Most readers recognize these entirely non-mythical creatures, but prior rule-based efforts have failed to protect this forum (and almost ALL internet-open discussion groups) from misuse, agitation and even scandal.

 

Prior criteria were based on a few simple patterns:

  • Messages introduced with subject lines in ALL-CAPS
  • Commercial speech with excessive "best", latest and most-amazing claims (Some claim spammers and trolls are different genera, and our community has seen both).
  • Replies with excessive punctuation, especially exclamation points (known as the Law of Exclamation)
  • Discussion threads which spiral to reach specific thresholds:
      • if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler.
    • Echo-speech
      • passionate threads tend to lose the number of participants as the agitation of its residual discussants climbs

The need for powerful non-rule-based message-filtering in online messaging is clear. Political and cultural polarization has damaged (perhaps beyond rescue) the utility of comment sections of web-based publications. Readers of the New York Times or NPR online will find that even erudite journalism triggers passionate and abusive commentary.

 

A new Google-sourced technology is being developed. "Inside Google’s Internet Justice League and Its AI-Powered War On Trolls" was a recent Wired magazine article introducing an evolving artificial intelligence tool developed to recognize, flag and block abusive messaging. Jigsaw (Google's internal idea-incubator) has developed Conversation AI, a machine-learning engine to abstractly analyze potentially toxic speech. 

 

 Mauderator (avatar shown here) is an early implementation of the Jigsaw tool, taking over as the new AI manager for Occ-Env-Med-L, our forum. "She" will assess the utility of incoming messages, the civility of ongoing discussions and adherence to the forum's rules for broadcast messages. Readers should soon notice improved quality and consistency of the distributed content.

 

As Moderator Emeritus, I plan to remain active in Occupational & Environmental Medicine in a real-world partnership with Dr. Achmed Envel. Our practice will consist entirely of fine-judgement determinations regarding FMCSA cases and borderline assessments regarding MRO complexity. More clinical consults will target contested attribution for patients with subjective-only illness and complex motivations. The gratification of these challenges will surely outweigh any loss of stimulation from evaluating OEM-L messages and alerts.

 

Thank you to the readership and supporters who have made this opportunity a reality.

 

Sincerely,

 

- Gary Greenberg

 

 

Gary Greenberg, MD MPH

Sysop / Moderator Occ-Env-Med-L MailList
www.OccHealthNews.net
UNC Gillings School of Global Public Health

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