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moderated moderator permissions for seeing +owner messages?

Green Fizzpops
 

Hi


I searched for this but couldn't find anything relating. I have a group with a pending membership questionairre setup. Which (combination) of the moderator permissions gives a moderator the ability to see the +owner messages a pending member has sent so they can see the replies to the questionairre on the website?

I tried:

-Approve Pending Members

-Set Member Subscription Options (also allows access to the member list)

And also set them to receive all owner emails but that didn't allow them to see the +owner messages "tab" on the member's page.


Thanks

Green



moderated Re: what does 'confirmation' accomplish?

 

Thanks, Mark. :)
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moderated Re: what does 'confirmation' accomplish?

 

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:38 AM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

But the other part of my question remains the same. Suppose someone already a groups.io member (I.e., with a groups.io account, I.e., already belongs to at least one group) tries to join a second group, I believe that no confirmation email is sent in that case. Correct?

That is correct. 

The only time someone will get a confirmation email *after* they've already confirmed their account is if they change their email address. When you change your email address, we put you back into the not confirmed state and send you a new confirmation email.

Mark


moderated Re: Font Size on Digest

Jean Bennett
 

I am checking with our members now to see if anyone else has noticed the problem.  If further follow-up is needed, I'll take the discussion over to GMF.

Thanks, 
Jean

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moderated Re: what does 'confirmation' accomplish?

 

Shal,

That answers part of my question. I was actually talking about a situation where someone not logged in goes to the site, tries to join a group, and when asked for an email address, enters the address of a current groups.io member other than themselves (I.e., someone who is already confirmed in general). So in that case the system asks them to log in and they are prevented from joining if they are not that person and so can't log in as them. Good.

But the other part of my question remains the same. Suppose someone already a groups.io member (I.e., with a groups.io account, I.e., already belongs to at least one group) tries to join a second group, I believe that no confirmation email is sent in that case. Correct?

J

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On Mar 8, 2017, at 12:48 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@gmail.com> wrote:

J,

If someone is confirmed, then anyone else can go to the groups.io
site and enroll them in any other group, without being that person.
Not unless they are logged in as that person. Which they can only achieve by having that person's password or by receiving an Email link to log in, sent to that person's email address.

Shal


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moderated Re: what does 'confirmation' accomplish?

 

J,

If someone is confirmed, then anyone else can go to the groups.io
site and enroll them in any other group, without being that person.
Not unless they are logged in as that person. Which they can only achieve by having that person's password or by receiving an Email link to log in, sent to that person's email address.

Shal


moderated Re: what does 'confirmation' accomplish?

 

In other words: "confirmed" is a function of groups.io membership, not of membership in a particular group. If someone is confirmed, then anyone else can go to the groups.io site and enroll them in any other group, without being that person. I assume that the only check on this is the subscription email the person will then receive, with instructions to unsubscribe if they did not request the membership.

Is that correct? Or do you sent out another confirmation email for that situation?
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: what does 'confirmation' accomplish?

 

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:53 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
if you're not confirmed, the NC shows up for all your subscriptions.

Mark,

Please humor me for a moment. ;)

Yes, I understand the above. "NC" appears for all subscriptions if the member has not confirmed. But conversely, if they HAVE confirmed, just once, just for the first group they apply to, then NC appears for NO successive groups they apply for. "Confirmed or not confirmed" is a variable dependent on an email's membership in "at least one groups.io group," not in a particular groups.io group. (I can see this, for example, by banning a particular email address. If that email address happens to be a member of just one groups.io group, not even ours, then no "NC" appears after their name in the "banned members" list, even though they are not a member of OUR group; and conversely. Banning an email address is, I discovered by chance, a way to find out if a particular email address is yet participating in groups.io at all.)

That's the basis of my question. If I understand correctly, "NC" just means that the member has clicked on their confirmation email for the FIRST group they have applied to join. If they already belong to any other group besides mine, and they then apply to join mine, then if I understand correctly, and based on seeing what I see when I ban a particular email address, no "NC" appears after their name. And that, I have always understood (and as you say here), means that once I approve their membership, they have access to my group immediately. They don't need to "re-confirm." So I still ask: if a confirmation email still sent to a pending in this case - the case that they are already have a confirmed groups.io account (in the sense that they already have a subscription to at least one other group)?

I understand completely that a pending member does not have access to my group's content, even after approval, if they have not confirmed. (That has been a source of headache for me, as you know from the couple of times you've done me the favor of confirming already-approved members who could not for the life of them find their confirmation emails.;) That is not what I'm asking about. My problem is that it seems to me that once an email address has confirmed their "groups.io membership" (which I use to mean "is a member of at least one groups.io group"), someone ELSE can go to the groups.io website and apply to join any OTHER group using the same email address, assuming  that no "confirmation" email is sent for every subsequent group someone joins or applies to, once they belong to at least one. On the other hand, if subsequent confirmations ARE sent for each group, then my question is, what does this change internally? It does not change whether or not "NC" appears by their name. Because once they're confirmed for ONE group, they are confirmed, period. (Again, my "proof" is what I see when I ban any email address that happens to belong some other group besides mine.)

I hope I am making my question more clear this time. Bottom line: If an email address already has a groups.io account (i.e., already belongs to at least one group), then is a new confirmation email sent out when they apply to join another group? If so, why (internally speaking), since the NC is already gone from their email address in general?

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

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moderated Re: what does 'confirmation' accomplish?

 

J,

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 5:09 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I've noticed that 'NC' appears next to a pending member only if the pending member is not already a member of groups.io at all. If they are already in some other group besides the one they have (presumably) applied to join, there will be no NC next to their name, so it will look as if they have confirmed for *this* group.

Whether someone is confirmed or not has no relation to how many groups they are subscribed to. And if you're not confirmed, the NC shows up for all your subscriptions.


So (1) after an application for membership comes in from an email address that's already a groups.io member, is a confirmation email still sent? (2) If it is not sent, what's preventing me (or any other groups.io member) from applying to another group via the web, using someone else's' enail address? (3) If it is sent, how does response to it change either the  member's status and/or what the moderator of the group applied to  sees?

That's the whole point of the confirmation process, to prevent people from adding others to groups. (Remember, if you're not confirmed, you can be subscribed but you have no access to the group and don't get messages).


Mark


moderated Re: Font Size on Digest

Donald Hellen
 

Brian,

I believe it could be taken to GMF if the need arises.

Donald

On Tue, 07 Mar 2017 08:04:15 -0800, "Brian Vogel"
<britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

If this is considered inappropriate or "off topic" for beta I will be happy to take it private, but I presume at some point there will be someone else who encounters the same issue and perhaps for the same reason, so I'll try to help here unless directed otherwise.-- Brian


moderated Re: Font Size on Digest

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Jean,

         How are you reading your digests?   By this I mean are you using a webmail service through a browser or an e-mail client?  (It sounds like an e-mail client program, but knowing which one would be helpful).

         The fact that you are seeing this in messages coming in from two different e-mail addresses suggests to me that it's something "on your end" but it will probably take some back and forth to figure out what.

          If this is considered inappropriate or "off topic" for beta I will be happy to take it private, but I presume at some point there will be someone else who encounters the same issue and perhaps for the same reason, so I'll try to help here unless directed otherwise.
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Brian

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moderated Re: Font Size on Digest

Maria
 

I am not seeing anything different. I've checked on desktop (safari) / desktop (firefox) / mobile IOS mail + gmail and Y! app (Y! and Gmail accounts) and it all looks same as it has for several months. I checked digests from several groups.

I wonder what else it could be?

Maria


moderated Re: Font Size on Digest

 

Hi Jean,

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 3:31 AM, Jean Bennett via Groups.Io <jcbennett@...> wrote:

I may have missed this somewhere, but did the font size recently get changed on the digest?  I am receiving the digest from three groups - one in Yahoo mail and two on AOL.  The fonts on all are now so tiny as to be almost unreadable.  I am reading on desktop and have made no changes to how my e-mail is displayed.  It was not this tiny previously - and I would appreciate it if the font could be return to the previous size.

I'm not aware of any changes recently that would affect font sizes in the digests. Are others in your groups seeing the same thing? Perhaps it was a single message that screwed things up?

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Font Size on Digest

Jean Bennett
 

I may have missed this somewhere, but did the font size recently get changed on the digest?  I am receiving the digest from three groups - one in Yahoo mail and two on AOL.  The fonts on all are now so tiny as to be almost unreadable.  I am reading on desktop and have made no changes to how my e-mail is displayed.  It was not this tiny previously - and I would appreciate it if the font could be return to the previous size.


Jean


moderated Re: photos on home page

Duane
 

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:22 pm, J_Catlady wrote:


"notify group" would be by the member posting the photo
That's the one I'd like to be able to turn off, if it's implemented (as well as on files which is now there.) Or be able to remove/delete the notification if all files/photos/etc are moderated. (If the "notify" is an option for the user, I'd want it off by default, but would prefer that I could disable it completely.)

I'm only referring to uploaded items, not attached (which is turned off in most of my groups.)

Duane


moderated Re: photos on home page

 

p.s. It also makes me wonder, if photos are moderated, what will happen when duplicate photos come in via email replies. You would not want to force the same photo to be approved 10 times in a row. Or are we just talking about uploaded, rather than emailed photos?
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: photos on home page

 

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:08 pm, Duane wrote:
Moderation should send a notification (if you choose to get them.) In this case, having a "notify group" option on the moderation page may solve both situations.

I like the moderation idea but I think we're now talking about apples and oranges. My thought was that the option to "notify group" would be by the member posting the photo, in case they wanted to explictly share (or not) the photo. That, of course, is different from the mods getting a notification of the upload, or approving/rejecting the upload, or notifying the group themselves.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: photos on home page

Duane
 

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:28 am, Carol Good wrote:


things that are sneaked into the files or photos
This is where I'd like to see the ability to have these (and databases, calendar, etc.) be moderated. Then they'd need approval before anyone could see them (or they could be rejected or deleted.) Moderation should send a notification (if you choose to get them.) In this case, having a "notify group" option on the moderation page may solve both situations. I'd still like to be able to disable the "notify group" on the actual upload pages though, in case I don't want to moderate certain items.

Duane


moderated Re: photos on home page

 

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:28 am, Carol Good wrote:
We'd be happy with just notifications to moderators.

Yes, I see now that you're asking for something different. An optional "notify the group" would not solve your problem. Maybe if we're extra nice to Mark we can have both! ;) 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: photos on home page

Carol Good
 

We'd be happy with just notifications to moderators. While we've had very few problems in 15-odd years at Yahoo, things that are sneaked into the files or photos without our knowledge could be contentious. While we can keep members on moderated status as far as messages are concerned, there's no similar provision to disallow individual members from uploading files or photos (Yahoo did have a 'disallow this member from uploading photos' option).

Carol

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