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moderated what does 'confirmation' accomplish?

 

I've noticed that 'NC' appears next to a pending member only if the pending member is not already a member of groups.io at all. If they are already in some other group besides the one they have (presumably) applied to join, there will be no NC next to their name, so it will look as if they have confirmed for *this* group.

So (1) after an application for membership comes in from an email address that's already a groups.io member, is a confirmation email still sent? (2) If it is not sent, what's preventing me (or any other groups.io member) from applying to another group via the web, using someone else's' enail address? (3) If it is sent, how does response to it change either the member's status and/or what the moderator of the group applied to sees?

J


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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Tony Moody
 

Thanks Bob,
Will add that to my list of Chuckles,

"Doesn't know his icon from his url" - Bob

Well, it gave me a smile !

Tony



On 4 Mar 2017 at 13:44, Bob Bellizzi wrote about :
Subject : Re: [beta] Site updates #changelog

We're well aware of the shortcomings. While I may not be a "sophisticated user" I'm fairly experienced. In fact unless they are older than me (85 & 11/12)and started their hardware/software careers before I did (1956) I don't have many worries about our member sophistication regarding computers. Most don't know what an icon is or a url.


Bob Bellizzi, 85 and still designing/implementing software, websites, etc.

The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation

  


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Bob Bellizzi
 

We're well aware of the shortcomings.  While I may not be a "sophisticated user" I'm fairly experienced.  In fact unless they are older than me (85 & 11/12)and started their hardware/software careers before I did (1956)  I don't have many worries about our member sophistication regarding computers. Most don't know what an icon is or a url.


Bob Bellizzi, 85 and still designing/implementing software, websites, etc.

The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Yahoo Easy Group Transfer

 

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 12:46 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
Can you side-step it by creating additional accounts (transfer1, transfer2, transfer3

LOL spy-vs-spy ;)
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moderated Re: Yahoo Easy Group Transfer

 

Mark,

It certainly seems like I'm running up against some sort of rate
limit for accepting invites for the transfer groups.io account.
...
I've tried using a VPN to see if it's just tied to my IP address, but
it's apparently tied to the account.
Can you side-step it by creating additional accounts (transfer1, transfer2, transfer3, ...)? That may get a little tedious to manage, but I'm sure you'll figure out something.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 11:56 am, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
It's a list we we want members viewing but not copying, it's very  large.

Bob,

        While I understand what you're saying, the file itself does get downloaded behind the scenes for presentation.  A sophisticated computer user can easily determine where that temporary copy of the PDF is stored and then copy and paste it elsewhere.  A really sophisticated user can get around the Adobe protections as well.

         It's going to be downloaded for display no matter how large it is.

         If any one of your members has their browser set up such that PDFs don't display in the browser I know of no way you can prevent them from viewing the PDF in a link that's accessible to them, and that means the file will be downloaded to accomplish that.  Whether they know how to actually save the content such that they can retrieve it later is an entirely separate issue, but if you put it on the web, believe me, it can be saved if someone is determined enough.
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Brian

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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Bob Bellizzi
 

Thanks Brian,

It's a list we we want members viewing but not copying, it's very  large.

By setting file properties in Adobe we can prevent saving and printing.

Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Bob,

          Make certain that you don't have your browser configured such that it will not display PDF files in the browser.  I actually hate "in browser" PDF displays as a general rule so have Firefox and Chrome configured not to open PDFs in the browser.  If that is how you're set up a download will always be attempted.

          If it will display those from other sites then there may be a bug.
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Brian

To think is to differ.

    ~ Clarence Darrow


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Bob Bellizzi
 

Not working on FuchsFriends premium.  Still wants to download not display (File was created using MS Word SaveAs PDF) The file is in  Doctor List and is doclist2-26-2017

  • CHANGE: Clicking on a PDF in Files will display it in the browser now. Still concerned about security issues with other files, tho.

Bob Bellizzi


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • NEW: Sent out emails to premium groups telling them that we will begin recurring charges in the next several weeks.
  • CHANGE: Premium plans now support having group aliases (previously this was an Enterprise plan only feature).
  • NEW: Send an email reminder to people with credit cards that will be expiring next month.
  • BUGFIX: With the Github integration, we were not properly converting pull request comments from markdown to HTML.
  • CHANGE: Clicking on a PDF in Files will display it in the browser now. Still concerned about security issues with other files, tho.
  • CHANGE: Removed the 'Recently Posted Photos' part of the group home page.
  • NEW: New attachments view to see which messages are taking the most space.
  • BUGFIX: For edited pending and archived messages, force any plain text parts to be UTF 8 encoded. We were already forcing the HTML parts to be UTF-8, but that ignored plain text only messages.
  • CHANGE: The members display is now striped, hoverable and you can click anywhere on a row to get to the member. Hopefully this reduces confusion.
  • CHANGE: Improvements to the Subgroups table for groups with large numbers of subgroups.
  • BUGFIX: When viewing a member, don't display the Remove button if you don't have permission to remove them (it didn't work before, but we shouldn't have displayed the button anyways).

Have a good weekend everybody.

Mark


moderated Re: bug? or bad feature? "Likes" by former members go to error message, should be removable? #bug #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

J,

           I have no argument with what you're saying if the intention was to make someone's profile unavailable, but I'm not absolutely sure that's the intent.

           Since there is a "Groups.io" profile along with the ability to create group specific profiles I would imagine that one of those (probably the Groups.io profile) is meant to be accessible at least so long as you're a member of  Groups.io if not "in perpetuity."

            There is one forum, on another site, that I ceased to be a member of when I left the club that sponsors it where my profile still exists and can be accessed coming up on four years after my active membership ceased.  I do not object to this as all of that information was public when I was a member and, as far as I'm concerned would always remain public.  That has always seemed to me to be the purpose of a profile on any web-based medium that uses one.

             I will agree, though, that something needs to be changed with the current status quo.  If the intent is to "erase the member's profile" then the ability to click through to said profile should not be possible and that "page not found" should not be displayed.  If the intent is to keep information for the historical record then the profile information should remain accessible and displayed.

             I have no strong feelings about which is "the right solution."
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Brian

The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

    ~Bertrand Russell


moderated specify on home page whether replies go to group, individual, or mods #suggestion

 

I recently ran into some confusion with a group that was set to "reply to moderators." The reply box had only "reply to moderators" at the bottom, but even the moderators/group owner seemed not to be aware of the setting. I think it would be helpful to put this information on the home page.
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moderated Re: bug? or bad feature? "Likes" by former members go to error message, should be removable? #bug #suggestion

 

On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 02:58 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
I see no reason for one's "Like" actions to do so, either.

Agree with this, too. As I mentioned, the only reason I wanted to remove the "Like" was that it contained a link to my profile. Thankfully, the link is a bad one. But there is certainly a better way to achieve that. 
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moderated Re: bug? or bad feature? "Likes" by former members go to error message, should be removable? #bug #suggestion

 

Brian,

 I agree that messages and other content should remain in the archives after a member leaves a group, of course. But I don't think their profile should be accessible to the members. And indeed, it is not. The problem is that currently, that inaccessibility, which I feel sure was intentional on Mark's part, includes or is achieved in a buggy way ('page not found').

J

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On Mar 3, 2017, at 2:58 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

I find the current situation odd, that's for sure..

It is my feeling that the online archive serves as "the historical record" and just because one chooses to leave a group does not and should not result in one's actions while a member of said group being erased upon one's departure.  One's messages do not disappear from the archive if one leaves a group (and I know of no way to force that to happen and would protest it were it to be asked for) and I see no reason for one's "Like" actions to do so, either.

It could be argued either way about access to one's public profile, but I think that should be maintained, too.  What one elects to do online "in public" at the moment of its being done should be expected to remain public in perpetuity.
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Brian

The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

    ~Bertrand Russell


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: bug? or bad feature? "Likes" by former members go to error message, should be removable? #bug #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

I find the current situation odd, that's for sure..

It is my feeling that the online archive serves as "the historical record" and just because one chooses to leave a group does not and should not result in one's actions while a member of said group being erased upon one's departure.  One's messages do not disappear from the archive if one leaves a group (and I know of no way to force that to happen and would protest it were it to be asked for) and I see no reason for one's "Like" actions to do so, either.

It could be argued either way about access to one's public profile, but I think that should be maintained, too.  What one elects to do online "in public" at the moment of its being done should be expected to remain public in perpetuity.
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Brian

The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

    ~Bertrand Russell


moderated bug? or bad feature? "Likes" by former members go to error message, should be removable? #bug #suggestion

 

I recently left a group in which I had "Liked" one of the posts. The group has public archives. I went into them, after leaving the group, with the hope of undoing the "Like" because I didn't want my profile accessible from the group. Two things happened:

(1) When logged in as the user who had "Liked" the post, I could see "you liked this" but was unable to undo it.

(2) When logged in as a different user, I could see "1 person Liked this" and could click on my (other) user name, However, the click took me to an error message. I could click on "1 person" which successfully took me to a picture of my (other) user profile, but clicking on that link led to "404 page not found."

On the one hand, I was gratified to see that members of the group I'd left no longer had access to my profile, making (1) (the ability to Unlike the post after I'd already left the group) unnecessary. On the other hand, (2) allows people in the group to see my user name and profile picture (which shouldn't happen in the first place), and then leads to a "not found" bug when they click on it.

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J

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moderated Re: Yahoo Easy Group Transfer

Bob Bellizzi
 

I just can't imagine that Yahoo would screw with it's online systems or change software without giving users 48 hours' warning. <ROTFLOL>

They're probably messing with the DKIM rules

Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: Yahoo Easy Group Transfer

 

Hi All,

Just an update on the easy group transfer issue. It certainly seems like I'm running up against some sort of rate limit for accepting invites for the transfer groups.io account. I seem to be able to accept about 17 invites and then it starts erroring out. I've tried using a VPN to see if it's just tied to my IP address, but it's apparently tied to the account. The limit appears to be in effect for more than 24 hours. I currently have a backlog of 15 invites waiting to be accepted.

I'll be putting a notice on the easy group transfer page explaining that there may be a delay in accepting invites.

Cheers, Mark


moderated Re: 2 Factor Authentication Problem

 

On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 10:14 am, David G8FXM wrote:
lost when phone factory reset

A likely story! ;D 
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J

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I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: 2 Factor Authentication Problem

David G8FXM
 

Hi Mark,
Many thanks for the quick reply. As you've probably guessed I dont have a record of the codes (lost when phone factory reset).

I'll contact support and hopefully the can help me out.

Thanks again.


On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 17:32 Mark Fletcher, <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 1:20 AM, <g8fxm@...> wrote:

I recently had to factory reset my phone. Now I find I'm locked out of the group I am admin for as 2 Factor Authentication is enabled on the admin account for this group and the app Google authenticate app on my phone needs to be set up again. I's asking for a barcode or backup code neither of which I seem to have. Password reset doesnt work when 2 fctor authentication is set, so does anyone have any idea as to how I regain access to my group please?

When you set up 2 factor authentication, we generate a set of 10 one time passwords for you to use in case you lose your authenticator, like in the scenario you described. Did you write down those passwords, as directed? If so, use one as your password and you'll be all set.

If you did not do that, then send an email to support at groups.io, from the email address that is locked out, and we'll figure out some way to authenticate you.

Thanks,
Mark

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