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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Bob Bellizzi
 

Juno is likely the oldest email free server service which then moved over to the internet.


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Duane
 

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 03:31 pm, David P. Dillard wrote:


Does anyone know how Juno adds are getting on messages in the first place
It's one of the consequences of using juno as an ISP. It also happens with netzero and a few others. It's automatically added by the service when they send out the email. I'm sure they do it to generate revenue so their service is "free".

Duane


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

David P. Dillard
 

I just noticed this.


NEW: Strip Juno.com ads from emails.


Does anyone know how Juno adds are getting on messages in the first place, I have never seen one? Just curious.



Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@temple.edu

"NEW: On the leave group page, add the option to switch to a daily summary instead."
Nice addition ... Yahoo should have done that a long, long time ago.
"NEW: Daily Summary Email Delivery Option"
Ditto.
~~ Stephanie
On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 12:45 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Changes to the site this week:

o INTERNAL: Wrote a utility to regenerate the karl messages queue, which for unknown reasons had grown to 32GB in size.
o NEW: Strip Juno.com ads from emails.
o NEW: On the leave group page, add the option to switch to a daily summary instead.
o BUGFIX: Fixed full digest and summary emails so that they're properly scaled in the Gmail IOS app.
o NEW: Normalize HTML Email group option to strip font changes from messages.
o SYSADMIN: Increased file descriptor limits on some servers because we were running out when sending a lot of email at
once.
o NEW: Daily Summary Email Delivery Option
o BUGFIX: When a moderator was viewing a profile in a subgroup they are not subscribed to (but have mod permissions),
there was a security error.
o INTERNAL: Moved the digest generating functionality to its own queue to fix a database lock issue and increase
scalability.
o INTERNAL: Implemented graceful shutdown when upgrading several internal services.
o INTERNAL: Use the Pagerduty API to communicate issues to Pagerduty instead of email.

Have a good weekend everybody.

Mark


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Stephanie Stevens
 

"NEW: On the leave group page, add the option to switch to a daily summary instead."

Nice addition ... Yahoo should have done that a long, long time ago.

"NEW: Daily Summary Email Delivery Option"

Ditto.

~~ Stephanie

On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 12:45 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Changes to the site this week:

  • INTERNAL: Wrote a utility to regenerate the karl messages queue, which for unknown reasons had grown to 32GB in size.
  • NEW: Strip Juno.com ads from emails.
  • NEW: On the leave group page, add the option to switch to a daily summary instead.
  • BUGFIX: Fixed full digest and summary emails so that they're properly scaled in the Gmail IOS app.
  • NEW: Normalize HTML Email group option to strip font changes from messages.
  • SYSADMIN: Increased file descriptor limits on some servers because we were running out when sending a lot of email at once.
  • NEW: Daily Summary Email Delivery Option
  • BUGFIX: When a moderator was viewing a profile in a subgroup they are not subscribed to (but have mod permissions), there was a security error.
  • INTERNAL: Moved the digest generating functionality to its own queue to fix a database lock issue and increase scalability.
  • INTERNAL: Implemented graceful shutdown when upgrading several internal services.
  • INTERNAL: Use the Pagerduty API to communicate issues to Pagerduty instead of email.

Have a good weekend everybody.

Mark



moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Bob Bellizzi
 

Marvelous!

For our groups, we do appreciate the wonderful responsiveness and improvements you make but please, please don't harm your health for us.  

Bob Bellizzi


moderated Did a bug scramble this signature block?

Jennifer Christian
 

While reviewing a pending message for release to one of my groups, I noticed that the required signature block was missing and tried to paste one in – copying it from a previous message in Outlook sent by the same person.

 

The signature block came out scrambled – up to down.  See below for specifics.  This is not the first time this has happened in my Groups.io moderator window.  Is this another bug?

ORIGINAL  APPEARANCE

Name

Organization

Phone

Fax

website url

PASTED APPEARANCE

website url

Fax

Phone

Organization

Name

 


moderated Re: Is this a bug? Pseudo-hyperlinked entire first sentences in postings

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

And, as it so happens, I've just encountered an example moments ago:

              https://jfw.groups.io/g/main/message/45735?p=Created,,,20,2,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,0,4359191 
--
Brian

You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.

    ~ Anne Lamott


moderated Re: Is this a bug? Pseudo-hyperlinked entire first sentences in postings

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Jennifer,

         I can report that I have observed the same issue on several groups I participate on, but it's quite infrequent and even thought the line looks like a link, and the hover behavior is like a link, clicking on it takes you nowhere.

         It's never happened to one of my own messages so I have no idea what someone might be doing, and "operator error" is a distinct possibility, to generate it.
--
Brian

You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.

    ~ Anne Lamott


moderated Re: Is this a bug? Pseudo-hyperlinked entire first sentences in postings

Jujube <ellaxyu@...>
 

Maybe, but it could be a human error too.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jennifer Christian" <jhchristian@gmail.com
To: beta@groups.io
Date sent: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 18:36:32 -0500
Subject: [beta] Is this a bug? Pseudo-hyperlinked entire first sentences in postings

Today, again, a posting with an unwanted pseudo-hyperlink in the first line
arrived in my moderator's approval queue. At first I just thought the
sender Rick had typed in a blue font - but then realized the whole sentence
was a formatted as a hyperlink. The text of the sentence wasn't pointing
to anything. It was just an introductory remark by Rick the sender: "I
couldn't agree more with the comments made by Deborah L." And the
hyperlink isn't a real hyperlink - there is no URL connected to it - just
blue text, and an underscore that appears when you hover over it.

This has been happening occasionally, maybe 5 times in total in our group
which is not very active. These hyperlinked entire first sentences have
appeared in postings from a variety of group members.

It's also impossible for me to un-do. In my moderator's formatting console,
I see an icon to hyperlink something, but not to unlink it. Today, a
little pop up thing appeared beside the linked sentence and offered me both
link and unlink icons - but to no avail. It remained blue/underscored.
So what I've resorted to doing is copying/cutting the offending item,
pasting it as unformatted text into another document, then copy that from
the secondary location back into the email. A real bother!

And also, I may have missed a big discussion in the Beta Group on this, but
I wish there WERE underscores in the real hyperlinks. I have members who
send in messages with text formatted in color - and have been known to use
it myself!

Since I this initial pseudo-hyperlinking squeaks like a bug, please fix it,
Mr. Bug Sleuth/Killer Mark!

Thanks!
Jennifer Christian
Minor member of your bug finder squad


moderated Is this a bug? Pseudo-hyperlinked entire first sentences in postings

Jennifer Christian
 

Today, again, a posting with an unwanted pseudo-hyperlink in the first line arrived in my moderator’s approval queue.  At first I just thought the sender Rick had typed in a blue font – but then realized the whole sentence was a formatted as a hyperlink.   The text of the sentence wasn’t pointing to anything.   It was just an introductory remark by Rick the sender:    I couldn’t agree more with the comments  made by Deborah L.”  And the hyperlink isn’t a real hyperlink – there is no URL connected to it – just blue text, and an underscore that appears when you hover over it.

 

This has been happening occasionally, maybe 5 times in total in our group which is not very active.   These hyperlinked entire first sentences have appeared in postings from a variety of group members. 

 

It’s also impossible for me to un-do.  In my moderator’s formatting console,  I see an icon to hyperlink something, but not to unlink it.   Today, a little pop up thing appeared beside the linked sentence and offered me both link and unlink icons – but to no avail.   It remained blue/underscored.    So what I’ve resorted to doing is copying/cutting the offending item, pasting it as unformatted text into another document, then copy that from the secondary location back into the email.  A real bother!

 

And also, I may have missed a big discussion in the Beta Group on this, but I wish there WERE underscores in the real hyperlinks.  I have members who send in messages with text formatted in color – and have been known to use it myself!

 

Since I this initial pseudo-hyperlinking squeaks like a bug, please fix it, Mr. Bug Sleuth/Killer Mark! 

 

Thanks!

Jennifer Christian

Minor member of your bug finder squad

 


moderated More RE: Is this a bug? Pseudo-hyperlinked entire first sentences in postings

Jennifer Christian
 

Mark/Beta Group –

 

Because I was writing to you about this problem, I decided to do a test and NOT remove the pseudo-hyperlink.  So I just approved the message as is.   When it was disseminated, there was no pseudo-hyperlink in that first sentence. 

 

AND, as an example of why I would prefer to have always-visible underscores on hyperlinks, I then noticed that Rick’s signature block was all blue, and had to wonder if that was all a hyperlink and hover over it.  No.  Apparently his default signature uses blue text.  

 

Jennifer

 

From: Jennifer Christian MD [mailto:jennifer.christian@...]
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 5:06 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Cc: jhchristian@...; Jennifer Christian
Subject: Is this a bug? Pseudo-hyperlinked entire first sentences in postings

 

Today, again, a posting with an unwanted pseudo-hyperlink in the first line arrived in my moderator’s approval queue.  At first I just thought the sender Rick had typed in a blue font – but then realized the whole sentence was a formatted as a hyperlink.   The text of the sentence wasn’t pointing to anything.   It was just an introductory remark by Rick the sender:    I couldn’t agree more with the comments  made by Deborah L.”  And the hyperlink isn’t a real hyperlink – there is no URL connected to it – just blue text, and an underscore that appears when you hover over it.

 

This has been happening occasionally, maybe 5 times in total in our group which is not very active.   These hyperlinked entire first sentences have appeared in postings from a variety of group members. 

 

It’s also impossible for me to un-do.  In my moderator’s formatting console,  I see an icon to hyperlink something, but not to unlink it.   Today, a little pop up thing appeared beside the linked sentence and offered me both link and unlink icons – but to no avail.   It remained blue/underscored.    So what I’ve resorted to doing is copying/cutting the offending item, pasting it as unformatted text into another document, then copy that from the secondary location back into the email.  A real bother!

 

And also, I may have missed a big discussion in the Beta Group on this, but I wish there WERE underscores in the real hyperlinks.  I have members who send in messages with text formatted in color – and have been known to use it myself!

 

Since I this initial pseudo-hyperlinking squeaks like a bug, please fix it, Mr. Bug Sleuth/Killer Mark! 

 

Thanks!

Jennifer Christian

Minor member of your bug finder squad

 


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • INTERNAL: Wrote a utility to regenerate the karl messages queue, which for unknown reasons had grown to 32GB in size.
  • NEW: Strip Juno.com ads from emails.
  • NEW: On the leave group page, add the option to switch to a daily summary instead.
  • BUGFIX: Fixed full digest and summary emails so that they're properly scaled in the Gmail IOS app.
  • NEW: Normalize HTML Email group option to strip font changes from messages.
  • SYSADMIN: Increased file descriptor limits on some servers because we were running out when sending a lot of email at once.
  • NEW: Daily Summary Email Delivery Option
  • BUGFIX: When a moderator was viewing a profile in a subgroup they are not subscribed to (but have mod permissions), there was a security error.
  • INTERNAL: Moved the digest generating functionality to its own queue to fix a database lock issue and increase scalability.
  • INTERNAL: Implemented graceful shutdown when upgrading several internal services.
  • INTERNAL: Use the Pagerduty API to communicate issues to Pagerduty instead of email.

Have a good weekend everybody.

Mark


moderated Re: interaction between locking topic and merging topics

 

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 09:22 am, Mark Fletcher wrote:
We currently do not remember old thread names, so this could derail the threading algorithm.

Hi Mark,

Renaming definitely derails the threading algorithm, but that's been clear for a long time and there's an easy (if cumbersome) fix to that, namely, moderators can simply repeat the merge every time a new post comes in (via email) with the old name.

However, with locking, there's no fix. Currently, I think it's impossible to successfully lock a renamed thread. Posts coming in under the old name are not blocked. So I'm wondering whether this could (at some point) be changed, or even if it's possible. Failing that, I think moderators should be aware of this limitation. 

(Regarding not remembering old thread names, I'm still scratching my head as to why, or how, a renamed named retains the old thread name in the link to it. But that's a minor issue.)

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: interaction between locking topic and merging topics

 

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 5:53 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Thu, Feb  9, 2017 at 07:49 pm, J_Catlady wrote:

>
> eventually I RENAME the thread
>

I believe that's the root of the problem.  I see the same behavior, though not very often since I don't do much renaming.  There seems to be some sort of disconnect in the threading logic when a Topic is renamed.

If I understand what's happening, then yes, the thread renaming could be the issue. We currently do not remember old thread names, so this could derail the threading algorithm.

Mark 


moderated Re: interaction between locking topic and merging topics

 

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 05:53 am, Duane wrote:
There seems to be some sort of disconnect in the threading logic when a Topic is renamed.

Right. I'd always accepted the fact that the threading logic "can't" take into account the fact that people will still be responding to emails with the old title. It was inconvenient, but it was ultimately fixable by the workaround of simply doing another merge every time a message with the old title came in. However, there's no workaround to the "loophole" that it remains unlocked via email, if people continue to respond to the old-titled messages.

So perhaps the suggestion would be for the algorithm to be made to recognize old-titled emails to a renamed thread, and put them within the renamed thread. That would solve this locking problem, as well eliminating the necessity of repeated merging when people respond via email to the old-named messages. I'm not sure what effect it might have on the link-name problem when threads are renamed, but it would be nice it that might be made better as well somehow.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: interaction between locking topic and merging topics

Duane
 

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 07:49 pm, J_Catlady wrote:


eventually I RENAME the thread
I believe that's the root of the problem. I see the same behavior, though not very often since I don't do much renaming. There seems to be some sort of disconnect in the threading logic when a Topic is renamed.

Duane


moderated Re: interaction between locking topic and merging topics

 

In other words: the users themselves are not touching the thread titles. They are simply responding to what's there in their emails.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: interaction between locking topic and merging topics

 

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 08:02 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
The only thing I'll offer now is that my experience is that when any change is made by a user to a subject line, and this happens a lot on some of the groups I participate on, a new thread will be generated.  That includes if an "Re:" is on the front but an extra space gets added, taken out, etc.

That's absolutely true, but if it's relevant here, I think it's because of the threading problems we were discussing before, and which Mark kluged to work. The people in question in this particular thread, who are (of course) responding by email, are also the ones whose posts failed to thread before. And they are also the ones for which the top-posting ellipses did not work (until this afternoon, when I set the group to forced-HTML emails). Etc. 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: interaction between locking topic and merging topics

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

J,

        Perhaps tomorrow.  The only thing I'll offer now is that my experience is that when any change is made by a user to a subject line, and this happens a lot on some of the groups I participate on, a new thread will be generated.  That includes if an "Re:" is on the front but an extra space gets added, taken out, etc.  I have seen what is a single thread in the meta sense of thread be split into as many as four "single threads in parallel with almost precisely the same name" as a result.

         All it takes is a change of any sort to the subject in the e-mail message.  Take a look at whether this is playing a role in your current dilemma.
--
Brian

You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.

    ~ Anne Lamott


moderated Re: interaction between locking topic and merging topics

 

Well, when I reopened the merged thread, and sent a message to the now-non-existent "topic two" that had been merged into "topic one" that message went right on the tail end of "topic one."

But who's on first? :-)

Seriously: ok, here's what happened. See if you can reproduce this. I'm going to use different names, to avoid confusion:

1. Someone posts a message called "cat won't eat"

2. Replies start coming in, and eventually I RENAME the thread "Fluffy won't eat" (because people are supposed to include their cats' names in their threads)

3. When people reply by email, if they haven't yet seen any replies with the new thread name, their replies come in with title "cat won't eat," which starts a new thread with the old title again, containing just one message. Each time, I merge it in with "Fluffy won't eat."

4. At some point about a day later, I lock the renamed thread "Fluffy won't eat."

5. People continue to respond via email to the old thread and the messages are not blocked.

I have a feeling this might be related to the previous threading bugs that have been discussed here, because I see in the logs that some of the messages are preceded with the word "Re:" and some aren't. 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

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