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moderated Re: Date-Time Display

 

Brian,

And based upon the feedback of the last several days it looks as
though it should be replaced with something that allows the user to
specify a date-time format that suits them, at least on the web
interface and in e-mail messages.
If Mark is willing to relent on the question of Absolute versus Relative I think that would be a third control for date, independent of time zone and format.

I'd have no problem with that. Now you get absolute by hovering, I think at one point he had it so that if you chose absolute display then the hover would show relative.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Re: Date-Time Display

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Shal,

         It looks as if.  And based upon the feedback of the last several days it looks as though it should be replaced with something that allows the user to specify a date-time format that suits them, at least on the web interface and in e-mail messages.

         I had forgotten that I'd brought this up in the past, but my annoyance at the "dumbing down" of date-time stamps clearly persists.  As they stand they're virtually useless to me as far as scanning down a topic (or, probably, list of messages) and knowing something even reasonably close to their arrival times.
--
Brian

I have made mistakes, but have never made the mistake of claiming I never made one.   

          ~  James G. Bennet


moderated Re: Clearly Identifying Different Groups #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

Shal Farley wrote:>>One possibility, at least on Desktop, might be to find room for the group name centered-ish in the blue logo bar, then make that bar non-scrolling.<<

That might work, or even put the group name right next to the User name on the left. And even let the owner choose what to display there, i.e. Beta, Hollow Tree, Sanctuary, etc. to tell the users where they are.

Or, since despite the dislike you've already got the "back to top" floater in the lower right hand corner when scrolled; you could make a floater of the group name balancing that on the left (preferably kept within the blank area of the left column). Or maybe combine their function in a (somewhat bigger) back to top. And maybe in the left column instead of lower right.<<

That would work too. Or I also suggested to add it to the existing floater, and once again, let the Owner choose what to put there to identify it best for their group.

Still hoping for something to help so I can open more groups at once. Currently, I can only have one groups.io group open at a time or I get hopelessly confused.

Brenda


moderated Re: Clearly Identifying Different Groups #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

Brian Vogel wrote:>>I can see how someone flip-flopping between beta and GMF could "lose track" of which one they're looking at in the moment if they're coming back from a lengthy break.<<

Exactly why I don't leave both open anymore. I get completely mixed up.

Brian wrote:>>I can't say that it really concerns me whether color change or something else were to come into use.  But whatever it is that would come into use should not rely on the reader having to perform a "second step" to differentiate where they are.  I just thought that background color was a good idea because. I've seen it employed effectively at different "levels" elsewhere.<<

Same here, and it helps users with visual issues as well, to be able to change not just the background but even the text color of the messages. I know it helps me, when it's available.

I use the "Colorful Tabs" add-on in Firefox simply because it makes it easy for me to tell one tab from another and, for any given session, I very quickly become familiar with "what's on display under what color tab" and it makes quick
switching much easier than in other browsers that do not give me the luxury of that feature.<<

Where could I get this "Colorful Tabs" thing? Sounds like it might help me out.

Brian wrote:>>There are times when a presentation manager can be just a little
too consistent, and my gut is telling me that's the case here whether or not it really has a direct impact for me or not.  It's just something worth considering.<<

Absolutely. Taking away our individuality is one of the things that destroyed Yahoo.

Brenda


moderated Re: Clearly Identifying Different Groups #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark Fletcher wrote:>>Yeah, like you I don't like floaters. When replying to a message, it displays your email address (the From: line). What if I put the group name there as well?<<

Since we already have a floater, what about adding the group name, or even part of the group name to that? Just above or below the arrow maybe? Doesn't need to be the whole URL, for example, in here it could say Beta, in mine it could say Hollow Tree. And maybe the owner could choose the name to put there, so they have discerned what would keep them straight.

Mark wrote:>>I'm ambivalent on color changes in general. And if I did add something like that, it'd probably be a premium feature.<<

Just a word of caution, losing our colors was one of the biggest things that killed Yahoo. Yahoo made everything look exactly alike, and users were devastated. And it's the one thing they miss about in here, the ability to customize their groups. It made our groups our own, and made it personal.

Another thought about color wass background and possibly font color, is it helps keep us compliant with the ADA, because many people have problems with certain print and color backgrounds. So that's something else to think about.

It's good to be consistent, but not at the expense of the user's ease of use. That's where Yahoo really blew it, in addition to breaking the code.

Brenda


moderated Re: How on earth does Groups.io thread a topic?

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark Fletcher wrote:>>Watch now as Mark goes on a rant against Yahoo.... <Insert disparaging things about Yahoo engineering here>
Ahem. I feel better. Thanks for listening,<<

Now you know why the Yahoo Crusade came into being. I fought Yahoo and won in 2010, and I'm still trying to fight Yahoo today. They broke just about everything.

Brenda


moderated Re: Date-Time Display

 

Brian,

I selected absolute display a long while back because I really like
to know *exactly* when something posted. However, the date-time
display on the web interface has never used the "advertised" format...
Hm. I guess Mark forgot to actually remove that control:
https://groups.io/g/beta/message/10000

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Re: Clearly Identifying Different Groups #suggestion

 

Mark,

Yeah, like you I don't like floaters. When replying to a message, it
displays your email address (the From: line). What if I put the group
name there as well?
One possibility, at least on Desktop, might be to find room for the group name centered-ish in the blue logo bar, then make that bar non-scrolling. On mobile that may not be practical.

Or, since despite the dislike you've already got the "back to top" floater in the lower right hand corner when scrolled; you could make a floater of the group name balancing that on the left (preferably kept within the blank area of the left column). Or maybe combine their function in a (somewhat bigger) back to top. And maybe in the left column instead of lower right.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Re: Date-Time Display

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Duane,

          Thanks.   I understand that there are certain things that have to be a bit different for the mobile interface simply due to screen size, space, and readability considerations.  I still think that a full display, not requiring hovering, is what's appropriate for the computer-based online interface and heaven knows there's *plenty* of space to allow that to happen.
--
Brian

I have made mistakes, but have never made the mistake of claiming I never made one.   

          ~  James G. Bennet


moderated Re: Date-Time Display

Duane
 

On the desktop, you have to hover over the date/time displayed to get the full format. Took me awhile to get used to that. If I remember right, once upon a time it had the entire thing on each post, but believe that was changed as the mobile interface was incorporated. Not sure how the mobile version handles it.

Duane


moderated Date-Time Display

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

This is at least slightly different from the format thread.  I selected absolute display a long while back because I really like to know *exactly* when something posted.  However, the date-time display on the web interface has never used the "advertised" format of "MMM DD, YYYY hH:MM [AM|PM]".  For anything earlier than today's date I get nothing but the date of the message.  For today's date while it remains today's date I get "hH:MM [AM|PM]" which in and of itself works just fine since without a date on the front you know implies today.

Is there some setting I need to tweak other than selecting "Absolute" for my time display in my Account Preferences in order to get full date-time to show?

--
Brian

I have made mistakes, but have never made the mistake of claiming I never made one.   

          ~  James G. Bennet


moderated Re: Transfer and choice of deleting unwanted posts

Göran Nordh
 

Mark, suggestion to add to to-do list.

Mvh
Göran Nordh
Den 17 jan. 2017, kI 04:34, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> skrev:

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Göran <goran@...> wrote:

I recently got my Yahoo group transfered to groups.io.

I now want to delete really old posts to clean group.io messages.

Is there a way to choose more than one message to delete?

You can delete a message at a time or a thread at a time. There's currently no way to select multiple threads/messages at once.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Clearly Identifying Different Groups #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 07:31 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Yeah, like you I don't like floaters. When replying to a message, it displays your email address (the From: line). What if I put the group name there as well?

Well, that relies on your replying, which may not be happening.  For myself, I never log out and often walk away with a long thread on display somewhere in the middle.

Mind you, that doesn't pose a problem for me with regard to the beta group or GMF group, because both are "oddities" for me and stand out based on the actual content I'm looking at.  The same cannot be said of some of the other groups I read frequently.  I can see how someone flip-flopping between beta and GMF could "lose track" of which one they're looking at in the moment if they're coming back from a lengthy break.

I can't say that it really concerns me whether color change or something else where to come into use.  But whatever it is that would come into use should not rely on the reader having to perform a "second step" to differentiate where they are.  I just thought that background color was a good idea because I've seen it employed effectively at different "levels" elsewhere.  I use the "Colorful Tabs" add-on in Firefox simply because it makes it easy for me to tell one tab from another and, for any given session, I very quickly become familiar with "what's on display under what color tab" and it makes quick switching much easier than in other browsers that do not give me the luxury of that feature.

There are times when a presentation manager can be just a little too consistent, and my gut is telling me that's the case here whether or not it really has a direct impact for me or not.  It's just something worth considering. 
--
Brian

I have made mistakes, but have never made the mistake of claiming I never made one.   

          ~  James G. Bennet


moderated Re: Transfer and choice of deleting unwanted posts

 

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Göran <goran@...> wrote:

I recently got my Yahoo group transfered to groups.io.

I now want to delete really old posts to clean group.io messages.

Is there a way to choose more than one message to delete?

You can delete a message at a time or a thread at a time. There's currently no way to select multiple threads/messages at once.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Clearly Identifying Different Groups #suggestion

 

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 6:46 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

             That "breadcrumb bar" is out of my usual field of view the very moment I begin scrolling down the screen to check out what's come in on any group.   It's out of my sight while composing this message, and I show messages on the web interface in reverse chrono order, so your latest one is closest to the top of the screen, not the bottom. Hence the reason I think that it either needs to "float", probably along the left side of the screen since there's a lot of open real estate there once you get below the last item in a group's control links.

Yeah, like you I don't like floaters. When replying to a message, it displays your email address (the From: line). What if I put the group name there as well?
 

              Personally, I still think it would be great to be able to customize one's background wash color on a per-group basis.  I'd use that a lot more than a number of the other things that can be customized in the individual group profiles.  I actually don't care for floating display elements very much and that wouldn't be my first choice if I had my druthers.

I'm ambivalent on color changes in general. And if I did add something like that, it'd probably be a premium feature.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Date format settings #suggestion

 

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:03 AM, Sue <sue.tier@...> wrote:
I asked Mark about either being able to choose a date format or using the international date a while back and he said he didn't have a time scale for supporting it yet.

Right. Last time I looked into this, one of the open source libraries I use, for the date picker in the calendar, only supported the one date format that we currently use. I haven't had a chance to see if it's been updated.

Supporting multiple date formats is definitely on the TODO list.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: funkiness with messages view vs. topics view

 

I've already emailed support about this, but I wanted to mention here that this bug has now been confirmed by two people in GMF, including Duane, who said he thinks it's a prior bug that was fixed but snuck back in.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 09:39 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
>
> NEW: Additional image resize option of 312x312.
>
I changed a couple of my groups to this setting, but when I check later it has reverted to 488x488.


Oof. Should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Printing Databases

Tami D <artfulmuze@...>
 

Mark, if possible, can you add a print button to the databases so people can print them right from the page instead of having to copy and paste into another program?
That's the complaint I get the most from my members.

Thanks
Tami Davis


moderated Re: Date format settings #suggestion

 

Ronaldo,

Obviously, it you want to be international, you would need UTC, or at
least the option of UTC (which apparently is called "zulu time" in
some circles...)
Heh, well no. Choice of timezone for display is independent of choice of formatting.

But if you want Zulu time you can go into your Account and on the Preferences page select "(UTC) Monrovia, Reykjavik" as your Timezone. That's the one that will get you Zulu aka UTC time. The two other "UTC" choices do summertime adjustments (so part of the year they are actually UTC+01:00).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time#Time_zones

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum

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