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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 09:39 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
>
> NEW: Additional image resize option of 312x312.
>
I changed a couple of my groups to this setting, but when I check later it has reverted to 488x488.


Oof. Should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Printing Databases

Tami D <artfulmuze@...>
 

Mark, if possible, can you add a print button to the databases so people can print them right from the page instead of having to copy and paste into another program?
That's the complaint I get the most from my members.

Thanks
Tami Davis


moderated Re: Date format settings #suggestion

 

Ronaldo,

Obviously, it you want to be international, you would need UTC, or at
least the option of UTC (which apparently is called "zulu time" in
some circles...)
Heh, well no. Choice of timezone for display is independent of choice of formatting.

But if you want Zulu time you can go into your Account and on the Preferences page select "(UTC) Monrovia, Reykjavik" as your Timezone. That's the one that will get you Zulu aka UTC time. The two other "UTC" choices do summertime adjustments (so part of the year they are actually UTC+01:00).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time#Time_zones

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Duane
 

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 09:39 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:


NEW: Additional image resize option of 312x312.
I changed a couple of my groups to this setting, but when I check later it has reverted to 488x488.

Duane


moderated Re: Date format settings #suggestion

Sue
 

I asked Mark about either being able to choose a date format or using the international date a while back and he said he didn't have a time scale for supporting it yet.

Sue

Well but grouops.io <http://grouops.io> I suppose is world wide so I > see no point of keeping the date to US format only.
I agree with that.


moderated Re: Date format settings #suggestion

ro-esp
 

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 05:54 pm, Shal Farley wrote:


Göran,

> Well but groups.io <http://groups.io> I suppose is world wide so I
> see no point of keeping the date to US format only.

I agree with that.

My (somewhat humorously intended) point was that if we have a single
format, it may as well be the international standard one rather than the
US one.

> Why not be flexible to have this option? It will only be positive
> response.
Obviously, it you want to be international, you would need UTC, or at least the option of UTC
(which apparently is called "zulu time" in some circles...)

groetjes, Ronaldo


moderated updwn.co integration #suggestion

Benoît Dumeaux
 

http://updwn.co/

"See what everybody thinks.
Updwn lets you make simple, beautiful, real-time polls."


moderated Re: Date format settings #suggestion

 

Göran,

Well but grouops.io <http://grouops.io> I suppose is world wide so I
see no point of keeping the date to US format only.
I agree with that.

My (somewhat humorously intended) point was that if we have a single format, it may as well be the international standard one rather than the US one.

Why not be flexible to have this option? It will only be positive
response.
I don't have any objection to that.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Re: Date format settings #suggestion

Göran <goran@...>
 

Well but grouops.io I suppose is world wide so I see no point of keeping the date to US format only. Why not be flexible to have this option? It will only be positive response

/Göran

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Den 14 jan. 2017, kI 01:14, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> skrev:

Göran,

Date format option settings to be able to set the date format like

YYYY/MM/DD

YYYY-MM-DD is an international standard ISO 8601:
https://xkcd.com/1179/

DD/MM/YYYY

Nope. On the discouraged list, along with MM/DD/YYYY as used in most of
the US. ;-)

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum




moderated Re: Invitation

Göran <goran@...>
 

I see, well I try again...
/Göran


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Den 13 jan. 2017, kI 20:26, Duane <txpigeon@...> skrev:

Hmm, mine automatically saves whatever I type in the Custom Message box so it's still there next time I send an invitation.

Duane




moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 09:39 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Fix for STUPID YAHOO REFERENCES.

LOL. 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • NEW: Poll option to disable viewing responders (ie. anonymous polls).
  • BUGFIX: In HTML message footers, the +owner address had an extra domain.
  • NEW: Additional image resize option of 312x312.
  • CHANGE: Defaulted users to America/Los_Angeles timezone.
  • CHANGE: Fix for STUPID YAHOO REFERENCES. They take the Message-ID, add a '.ref' in it, and use that for the references in a reply, without including any other threading information.
  • NEW: When logging in, if you don't have a profile photo or display name set, put up a notice asking to set one up.
  • NEW: You can now see who responded to a poll, and email the responders (if you're a mod/owner or the creator of the poll), much like RSVPs.
  • INTERNAL: Wrote a utility to verify and fix attachment, photos and files storage counts.
  • NEW: You can request RSVPs for repeating events.
  • CHANGE: When viewing a topic with only one message, don't show the top pagination arrows.
  • CHANGE: In the Member Notices page, change Default to Active.
  • CHANGE: After Start Merge or other topic operations, attempt to return to the current page.
  • BUGFIX: When viewing responses for an event, if there have been no responses yet, the page was messed up.
  • CHANGE: Removed Google Hangouts integration due to Google discontinuing the API.
  • INTERNAL: More fixes to the Yahoo import tool to deal with crappy data from Yahoo.
  • CHANGE: Changed the message threading algorithm:
    • If a message has threading information, use that. (same as before)
    • If a message does not have threading information:
    • If it's a web post, assume it's the start of a new thread
    • If the subject starts with Re:, look for a matching subject within the last 30 days
    • If the subject does not start with Re:, look for a matching subject within the last 2 days
  • BUGFIX: Infinite scroll on the Topic page was borked.
  • BUGFIX: Fixed signatures when replying in Topic and Messages views.
  • CHANGE: The 'View/Reply Online' link in HTML messages now goes to the message, and also displays the message number, to be consistent with the plain text footer.
  • BUGFIX: Links to attachments in digests were broken.

Have a good weekend everybody.

Mark


moderated Re: little idea about offlist messages

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Uh, please present anything even close as far as word overlap for either "Private" or "Offlist."

Spelling overlap is vanishingly small for non-trivial words across languages, particularly low frequency ones.
--
Brian

I have made mistakes, but have never made the mistake of claiming I never made one.   

          ~  James G. Bennet


moderated Re: little idea about offlist messages

toki
 

On 01/13/2017 09:30 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Seriously, you use "This is an offlist message" or "The following is a private message" as the Subject line?
I don't, but I've received emails with that as the subject line.

jonathon


moderated Re: little idea about offlist messages

toki
 

On 01/13/2017 09:22 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

If someone wants this extended to non-English equivalents the likelihood of any of those overlapping with an English word commonly used is vanishingly small.
It took the developers of the Afrikaans spelling dictionary more than 20
itinerations, before they managed to include three of the ten most
common words in Afrikaans. Had they not followed the myth that word
overlapping was vanishingly small, they would have caught it by the
third itineration.

I've forgotten the language where the sound for negation sounds like
"ja", whilst the sound for affirmation sounds like "no". The specific
words for "yes" and "no" are very different.

It is absolutely impossible to know how many potential languages might
be used over time

Initially, you'd start with a thousand languages.
At somewhere between 20,000,000 and 50,000,000 registered users, you
start adding one language for every 100,000 new registrations. Which
language to add, depends upon the geographical location of those users.
In time, it will recognize between 10,000 and 15,000 languages.
(Ethnologue only counts living languages. It does not include conlangs,
and dead languages, examples of which can be found in YahooGroups.)

jonathon


moderated Re: little idea about offlist messages

 

I would prefer a dialog to automatic rejection based on a crude criterion. :)
J

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

There is absolutely no way to implement anything that's trigger word based that's 100% foolproof unless it bars absolutely anything where it's seen, and that makes no functional sense at all.

At its very best, it's a traffic cop that tries to prevent mistakes, but will never stop every blessed one of them.

If one wants to implement it with message body scanning in addition to subject scanning, and allowing for a match anywhere, the behavior could be made very much like e-mail interfaces that scan for the words "attach" or "attachment" and ask a question, before actually sending, if an attachment is not actually on the message.  A dialog could pop up with a question along the lines of, "Is this message really intended for public reading on [insert group name here]?  The word [insert found trigger word here] is in your message." with "Yes, continue to send to group" or "No, this is a private message."  If the latter were chosen then the "Reply to Sender" replacement for "Reply to Group" button, etc., could be done just like it is now if you've intentionally pressed the "Private" button before composing a response.

I think that's overkill, but it's a kind of overkill that's been implemented, and successfully, for precisely the purpose I used as an example.
--
Brian

I have made mistakes, but have never made the mistake of claiming I never made one.   

          ~  James G. Bennet



--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: little idea about offlist messages

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

There is absolutely no way to implement anything that's trigger word based that's 100% foolproof unless it bars absolutely anything where it's seen, and that makes no functional sense at all.

At its very best, it's a traffic cop that tries to prevent mistakes, but will never stop every blessed one of them.

If one wants to implement it with message body scanning in addition to subject scanning, and allowing for a match anywhere, the behavior could be made very much like e-mail interfaces that scan for the words "attach" or "attachment" and ask a question, before actually sending, if an attachment is not actually on the message.  A dialog could pop up with a question along the lines of, "Is this message really intended for public reading on [insert group name here]?  The word [insert found trigger word here] is in your message." with "Yes, continue to send to group" or "No, this is a private message."  If the latter were chosen then the "Reply to Sender" replacement for "Reply to Group" button, etc., could be done just like it is now if you've intentionally pressed the "Private" button before composing a response.

I think that's overkill, but it's a kind of overkill that's been implemented, and successfully, for precisely the purpose I used as an example.
--
Brian

I have made mistakes, but have never made the mistake of claiming I never made one.   

          ~  James G. Bennet


moderated Re: Clearly Identifying Different Groups #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Mark,

             That "breadcrumb bar" is out of my usual field of view the very moment I begin scrolling down the screen to check out what's come in on any group.   It's out of my sight while composing this message, and I show messages on the web interface in reverse chrono order, so your latest one is closest to the top of the screen, not the bottom. Hence the reason I think that it either needs to "float", probably along the left side of the screen since there's a lot of open real estate there once you get below the last item in a group's control links.

              Personally, I still think it would be great to be able to customize one's background wash color on a per-group basis.  I'd use that a lot more than a number of the other things that can be customized in the individual group profiles.  I actually don't care for floating display elements very much and that wouldn't be my first choice if I had my druthers.
--
Brian

I have made mistakes, but have never made the mistake of claiming I never made one.   

          ~  James G. Bennet


moderated Re: when topic is closed, remove "moderated" status #suggestion

 

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 06:38 pm, JohnF wrote:
Just in it was a sensitive topic that got closed, it should keep its moderation? It may be Groups.io does not distinguish between an auto-locked and manually-locked (or auto-moderated or manually moderated) thread in its internal logic, so the safe thing is to leave whatever status it was when it was locked.

How often does that really happen, though?

Exactly. If it was AUTO-moderated, there's nothing to indicate that it was a sensitive topic. And I see the problem about not distinguishing between auto and manually moderated. That's exactly what I'm trying to say. Perhaps the system SHOULD distinguish. Failing that, I would have the system simply remove "moderated" when a topic is closed.  Moderators can go in and re-moderate sensitive topics when necessary. That way around seems to put less of a burden on moderators, and make the auto-moderate mechanism somewhat useful. I don't see it as very useful currently.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: little idea about offlist messages

 

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 06:34 pm, JohnF wrote:
This could definitely happen, with someone typing "Offlist I told Bill more about the project."

Yes, that would be an example of false positive. I was actually thinking about false negatives, where I mean to express that I'm sending it offlist but I DON'T start off with that word - instead I start with some sort of sentence like "Hi, John, this is an offlist message because I'm going to tell you my deepest darkest secrets. Don't tell another soul what I'm about to reveal!"

(Wait. You mean I sent this to the whole group???? ..... 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

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