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moderated Re: little idea about offlist messages

 

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 12:45 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
that the message should be rejected for "on group" posting

If he meant to reject a message that "starts with offlist AND is sent to the group," Im fine with it. But I think implementation would be difficult. You'd have to parse the text containing the word "offlist" or "private" pretty carefully.  
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moderated Re: little idea about offlist messages

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

J,

Ronaldo originally wrote: "So maybe we can have some "code" that automatically rejects messages that start with OFFLIST or [off-list] , and blocks the "reply to group" button when someone changes the subject line so it starts with that in the web-interface."

Which I read more as if someone starts a topic or retitles a topic with "Offlist" (or similar variants, right now the web interface uses "Private:" if you use the private button) that the message should be rejected for "on group" posting via the "Reply to Group" button.

There should be no blocking if one is either using the Reply to Sender button or the "Private" button combined with it, since those would not result in public posting of what was clearly intended as a private message.

I don't read what he said as saying that the web interface should reject messages where the subject line has "Offlist" at the front of the subject, per se, but that it should recognize its presence and block availability of the Reply to Group button.

J, Would you object to this?  Ronaldo, am I misreading your intent?

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moderated Re: when topic is closed, remove "moderated" status #suggestion

 

To show that the situation is not completely logical: currently, I can set auto-close to 20 days and auto-moderate to 30 days. And I can also, by hand, set a closed topic to moderated. Do either of those make any sense? Why would I want to moderate a closed topic? 


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

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moderated Re: change the term "default" to "active" for automatic notices #suggestion

 

Mark,

Thanks for changing this! I just noticed it. :-)
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

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moderated Re: when topic is closed, remove "moderated" status #suggestion

 

That's what I mean. Automatic moderation is not so useful, given that it's not just a first step to closure and is not preempted by closure. 

J

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
In that case, I'd probably just turn off automatic moderation and apply it only when needed.

Duane





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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Suggestion integration Facebook group

Göran <goran@...>
 

Excellent if doable.

Regards
Göran

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Den 13 jan. 2017, kI 19:14, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> skrev:

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 3:54 AM, Göran <goran@...> wrote:

It would be really great to be able to integrate a closed facebook group.
We have a closed member group that would be great to integrate because there is group.io members that don´t have and will never get a facebook account.
These members could also receive facebook post items.

While I haven't looked at the Facebook API in awhile to see if it's possible, this is on the todo list.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Invitation

Duane
 

Hmm, mine automatically saves whatever I type in the Custom Message box so it's still there next time I send an invitation.

Duane


moderated Re: Suggestion integration Facebook group

Göran <goran@...>
 

There is already a feature in groups.io to integrate Facebook pages. It means post on a Facebook page also posts in the group not the other way around.

Göran

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Den 13 jan. 2017, kI 20:01, toki <toki.kantoor@...> skrev:

On 01/13/2017 11:54 AM, Göran wrote:

It would be really great to be able to integrate a closed facebook group.

Those who don't want FaceBook to touch any part of their life, would see
that as a definable no-no.

So much so, that they would drop the Groups.IO list, on the grounds that
it was now a FaceBook property, owned, operated, and running under the
rules and policies of FaceBook.

jonathon




moderated Re: when topic is closed, remove "moderated" status #suggestion

Duane
 

In that case, I'd probably just turn off automatic moderation and apply it only when needed.

Duane


moderated Re: Suggestion integration Facebook group

toki
 

On 01/13/2017 11:54 AM, Göran wrote:

It would be really great to be able to integrate a closed facebook group.
Those who don't want FaceBook to touch any part of their life, would see
that as a definable no-no.

So much so, that they would drop the Groups.IO list, on the grounds that
it was now a FaceBook property, owned, operated, and running under the
rules and policies of FaceBook.

jonathon


moderated Re: How on earth does Groups.io thread a topic?

toki
 

On 01/13/2017 02:33 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

I never presumed that code was "self-explanatory" to anyone other than its writer,
Anybody that ever programmed in APL would know that self-explanatory
code was a delusion.

and even not to him or her after they'd not been actively working with it for an extended period of time.
APL programmers know that regardless of how well commented the code is,
the only way to understand what it is doing, is to throw it away, and
rewrite the code yourself. This applies regardless of who wrote the
code, or when it was written.

jonathon


moderated Invitation

Göran <goran@...>
 

I have a suggestion to add to the invite customized message.

There would be great to be able to save this message.

Can´t find any save button for this so adding a message and then choose something else and then go back to invites this message is gone..

If it is possible to save this message, can someone enligth me.

Regards

Göran


moderated Re: when topic is closed, remove "moderated" status #suggestion

 

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 10:30 am, Duane wrote:
I don't see a dilemma. If it was originally moderated after X days, I'd think you'd still want it moderated if it were reopened/unlocked. I'd think removing the moderation would be the exception rather than the rule.

The dilemma I see is probably because my concept of automatic moderation is sort of as a first step in winding down a topic, prior to it being automatically closed. Both automatic events occur simply because of the time element, not because there is necessarily anything about the topic requiring moderation. So if you want to reopen one of these topics, I don't think it should take two steps. I find that unintuitive. And with the moderated status remaining in place after the topic is closed (so that both are actually there, even if the gavel does not show up), it would take two steps.

I see this as very different from a topic that is put on moderation by hand. In that case, there's something inherent about the topic that made you want to moderate it. So if you close it and then reopen it, it makes sense for the moderated status to stay there until you remove that, by hand, too.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: when topic is closed, remove "moderated" status #suggestion

Duane
 

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 10:11 am, J_Catlady wrote:


But do we really want, for a topic that was *automatically* moderated after x
number of days and automatically closed after y number of days, to have to
remove both statusus by hand in order to reopen it?
I don't see a dilemma. If it was originally moderated after X days, I'd think you'd still want it moderated if it were reopened/unlocked. I'd think removing the moderation would be the exception rather than the rule.

Duane


moderated Re: funkiness with messages view vs. topics view

Duane
 

I normally use Topic View and haven't noticed anything unusual. I tried switching to other views and it looks like I'm always returned to the one I last used. Once in awhile I'll have several tabs open, even different groups. If I change the view in one, the others don't change until I refresh (as I think it should be) and that sometimes throws me off.

Duane


moderated funkiness with messages view vs. topics view

 

Has anyone else noticed that topics view seems to keep coming up more often, despite whatever view you were in before? I've reported this to support but I now wonder whether this is something new and intentional. Or possibly there's something awry with my browser? I am constantly seeing topics view come up and having to toggle back to messages view, like, many many times a day. Is it just me?
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Suggestion integration Facebook group

 

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 3:54 AM, Göran <goran@...> wrote:

It would be really great to be able to integrate a closed facebook group.
We have a closed member group that would be great to integrate because there is group.io members that don´t have and will never get a facebook account.
These members could also receive facebook post items.

While I haven't looked at the Facebook API in awhile to see if it's possible, this is on the todo list.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: little idea about offlist messages

 

I would be strongly against this. I currently add either "private" or "offlist" to the text of any private email, to make sure the reader knows that it's offlist. I'd previously lobbied for the system to add that text automatically, in addition to just in the title, but it wasn't forthcoming - so I do it myself.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: when topic is closed, remove "moderated" status #suggestion

 

Mark,

Thanks for the clarification.

I can definitely see the usefulness, for a topic that was previously moderated *by hand*, and later closed, of keeping the moderated status if and when it's reopened, because (for example) the topic may be a touchy one.

But do we really want, for a topic that was *automatically* moderated after x number of days and automatically closed after y number of days, to have to remove both statusus by hand in order to reopen it?

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: little idea about offlist messages

Jujube <ellaxyu@...>
 

Great idea.

----- Original Message -----
From: "ro-esp" <ro-esp@dds.nl
To: beta@groups.io
Date sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:10:57 -0800
Subject: [beta] little idea about offlist messages

maybe nobody sees the need, but sometimes messages not meant for the entire list do reach the entire list (sometimes even on moderated groups..)

So maybe we can have some "code" that automatically rejects messages that start with
OFFLIST or [off-list] , and blocks the "reply to group" button when someone changes the subjectline so it starts with that in the web-interface.

[if you don't see the need, just let this thread stop]


groetjes, Ronaldo

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