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Re: The case for social logins
Well put. I consider the likes of Faceache to be as leaky as an old watering can. Robert. Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the O2 network.
The problem with this is, what happens if your primary email account gets compromised and it's the one you're using for your "social signin" stuff? If you don't catch it, you just lost access to everything, and may very well have a hard time convincing other people that the person that insulted them using your social login somewhere wasn't you. As others have said, let it be an option, if Mark wants to implement it; don't replace real secure systems (password management applications and hardware) with the false security of a unified login. Matthew Pitts N8OHU
From: Chris Leong <walkraft@...> To: beta@groups.io Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 8:24 AM Subject: [beta] The case for social logins I believe that social logins (ie. login via Google or Facebook) are some of the most important features that this site could have.
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Re: The case for social logins
The problem with this is, what happens if your primary email account gets compromised and it's the one you're using for your "social signin" stuff? If you don't catch it, you just lost access to everything, and may very well have a hard time convincing other people that the person that insulted them using your social login somewhere wasn't you. As others have said, let it be an option, if Mark wants to implement it; don't replace real secure systems (password management applications and hardware) with the false security of a unified login. Matthew Pitts N8OHU
From: Chris Leong <walkraft@...> To: beta@groups.io Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 8:24 AM Subject: [beta] The case for social logins I believe that social logins (ie. login via Google or Facebook) are some of the most important features that this site could have.
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Re: The case for social logins
Cacky B
Ditto!
Cacky On 1/26/2015 9:19 AM,
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Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger
Mark, As long as you found and fixed the bug, it should be good. This is the sort of thing that the current Yahoo Groups team would never communicate with us on, and why we like hearing from you on things. Matthew Pitts
From: Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> To: "beta@groups.io" <beta@groups.io> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [beta] Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 12:23 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
Yes, this has been bugging me ever since it happened. I'm not sure whether to be happy or deeply embarrassed and a little horrified, but I found the bug and it was in our end of the line. This only was tripped when one connection is used to send multiple emails. The first email goes through fine. The second email ends up being sent to the first email's group. I could not find any other instances of this happening in the logs. It has been fixed. I am sorry. Mark
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Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 12:23 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
Yes, this has been bugging me ever since it happened. I'm not sure whether to be happy or deeply embarrassed and a little horrified, but I found the bug and it was in our end of the line. This only was tripped when one connection is used to send multiple emails. The first email goes through fine. The second email ends up being sent to the first email's group. I could not find any other instances of this happening in the logs. It has been fixed. I am sorry. Mark
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Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database
#suggestion
On 1/26/2015 8:59 AM, Duane wrote:
To see a Wiki, you'd need to be a member of the group and signed in.Ah - it's the "member of the group" part that I think most of us are missing (since it prompts for a sign in if you are not). A blank page is probably not very user-friendly if we're confused by not seeing it! If there is a direct link to a wiki given - should it say something like "you are not a member of <groupname>"? Or just a "content is not available" with a link to the Groups.io home page? Or just take you to the Groups.io home page? dg
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Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database
#suggestion
On 1/26/2015 8:51 AM, Frances wrote:
Same here - HPW7. dg
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Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database
#suggestion
David P. Dillard
I just learned that while my group is public, the wiki is not listed on group contents when accessed by anyone who is not logged in to my group as a member of my group. The option needs to be made available to group owners to make the Wiki public if so desired. I will only be able to use this tool if it is public.
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Sincerely, David Dillard Temple University (215) 204 - 4584 jwne@temple.edu
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015, Donna wrote:
David,
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Markdown
Good morning, Over the weekend, I had a few hours while the babies were napping, and wanted to do a small fun project. So I added Markdown support to the post/reply boxes, along with code syntax highlighting in the archives. Markdown, for those (most) who haven't heard of it, is like plain text, except that it lets you include some formatting with it. There are a lot of places online that explain what Markdown is better than I can, like http://whatismarkdown.com. I think it's much better for conversations than HTML messages, and yet neither Google Groups nor Y! Groups support it. And with Markdown, if you're including a bit of source code in your message, you can tag it and it'll display nicely (this is called code syntax highlighting). The nerds, like me, really like this (and multiple people have asked for this feature in Groups.io). Anyways, if you want to post using Markdown, you now can. If you don't, nothing's changed for you. (I'll be going through all the messages from this weekend over the next couple hours). Thanks! Mark
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Site sign in
Does a sign in on Groups.io ever expire? I signed in when I first joined (12 days ago) and haven't had to since. On the other service I use, I stay signed in for 2 weeks unless I specifically sign out. (Unless I need to use owner/moderator privileges, then it asks for credentials every 4 hours. Way too often in my opinion.)
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Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database
#suggestion
To see a Wiki, you'd need to be a member of the group and signed in.
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Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database
#suggestion
David and Donna
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The links don’t work for me either - blank pages. I am using an updated Mac with Safari. Frances
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Re: Suggestion for files settings - testing calendar feature for reminder notices (possible bug?)
#bug
I also did a test, but using All Day, repeating every 1 day. Here's what I got: "test" Reminder
If the When would show just the first Date without time/zone for All Day events, I think it would be more clear, though not precise. I had the reminder set for 2 minutes, so it came in at 23:58 Sunday night. Adding a choice button on the reminder to send by email or send to group archives would be my preferred choice. By choosing send to group archives, even those on No Email would see it posted in the group. Would send to group archives be the preferred default for most people? Would there be events where this wouldn't be preferred? I like having all the options to start, repeat interval, etc. I noticed that the Event was deleted from today on the Calendar. This makes sense since it's already happened, but there may be instances when I'd like to keep it on there for future reference. I have another test pending using the group name in the Where field, just to see what it looks like. I'm thinking that using an event name of "Monthly groupname" would look a little better and more clearly explain what it was. That should show up as "Monthly groupname" Reminder, so leaving the location blank would make more sense to me in that case. Duane
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Re: Photos Wishlist Thread
#suggestion
My wishlist for a Photos section:
1. When photos are uploaded, "resize" them for online use. Many folks use the highest resolution and number of colors when taking pictures. These aren't needed for screen viewing, only for full size printing. I've had people email me photos at 4320x3240, 600 dpi, 32 million colors with a file size well over 3 MB when a file that was resampled to 35-50 KB would have worked as well. (not sure if it's feasible, but check for file type and not allow photos to be uploaded to the Files area.) 2. Sub-albums would be nice. I see it as having an album for each member, though not required, and having sub-albums for specific items. 3. I'd like each member to be able to use their own album/sub, but also be able to add to a general group album/sub when needed. 4. Title and description for each photo. 5. Allow owner/moderator to move photos (and files) as needed to maintain the intended layout of the group. Ownership of the file should be maintained by the person that uploaded it. 6. Comments, photostream, rating, and other options aren't currently important to me, but I can see how they could be useful. Duane
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Re: Suggestion for files settings - testing calendar feature for reminder notices (possible bug?)
#bug
I set up some calendar events with reminders. My first reminder came through this morning. I don't know if there's a limit to number of lines or characters allowed in the description box, but here's how my first test came through. I tried one test with "All day" checked instead of a specific time. It appears the reminder didn't come through with that test, so that could be a bug. I'll try it again to see if I can get the bug to repeat. This one is set for 10 am for one hour with a 5 minute reminder. Reminder notice is below. So if you're looking for a way to have files repeat, but they aren't necessarily tied to when you join, are pending, or leave/banned, then the calendar seems to be a pretty flexible way to do that. It allows for more flexibility in repeat timing/frequency than Yahoogroups does. Trish "Calendar Test set to repeat daily with an alert 5 minutes before. Scheduled time is 10 am" Reminder
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 7:12 AM, pnrfan@... <pnrfan@...> wrote:
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Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database
#suggestion
David, I clicked on your tiny url link and got taken to a blank page, even though the url appeared to be the same as the full url in your message. Now, I understand what my friend from the Yahoo group is seeing. This is the first time it has happened to me with groups.io. Donna
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Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database
#suggestion
Another option for a database-like feature could be a link to a Google docs spreadsheet. That's what we switched to for my groups when the Yahoo database feature went kaflooey. We switched over to Wiggio for our group and there wasn't a database feature on there, but this alternative works fine for us. And since it's independent of any groups services, it's totally under our control. No groups service can decide they want to mess with the database feature and screw up our information. No matter what groups service we switch over to, the spreadsheet remains intact and everyone's bookmark remains the same. A calendar reminder periodically directs members to the link in case they are the type that doesn't understand or use bookmarks. Google docs allows you to set privacy and access controls, so you can give view or edit access as needed. For example, anyone with the link can view but only these 3 people (whose email addresses you've entered) can have edit access. I actually like the spreadsheet better. Point, click and type. No worrying about where Yahoo has moved the add or edit buttons this week. Plus it was a lot easier for our non-techie members to ramp up on using the spreadsheet than it was for them to learn the Yahoo database feature. If you have an existing Yahoogroups database, you can migrate it over by exporting it to a tab delimited format, then opening it up in Excel and save it to your computer. Then upload it to Google docs and let it convert to the Google doc format. It only takes a few minutes. I just did three databases this morning. Trish
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 10:24 AM, <robertgmam@...> wrote: I fully agree with you, Duane. There may be a place for this 'wiki' thing for those that like faffing about with such things, but many groups will need a database in the traditional sense.
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Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database
#suggestion
I fully agree with you, Duane. There may be a place for this 'wiki' thing for those that like faffing about with such things, but many groups will need a database in the traditional sense.
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From: Duane Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 3:14 PM To: beta@groups.io Subject: [beta] Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestions Chris, I have to disagree with your point #1. On the Yahoo groups I was on, many with 1000 members or more, the databases were mostly updated by users. They could have been maintained by an owner/moderator, but that would have created more work for them. I found out how important this was when I started alternative groups on another service. Users will send me updates, I integrate them into the file, and upload the new version. When updates are frequent, it takes a lot of time. I've done some testing to see if a Wiki page would work, but it's somewhat limited and not very intuitive. It looks to me like it would get clumsy after more than a few entries were needed. Duane
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Re: The case for social logins
I would never use so-called ‘social logins’. If people want that sort of
thing, then by all means have it available to them, but don’t let’s all have to
suffer it to the exclusion of a proper login. Those of us who abhor social media
do not want to go down the road of copying the likes of Google and Facebook. The
slide of Yahoo Groups into that sort of thing is exactly why we need a home for
our Groups away from Yahoo Neo in the first place!
Regards,
Robert.
From: Chris Leong
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 1:24 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] The case for social logins I believe that social logins (ie. login via Google or Facebook) are some of the most important features that this site could have.
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Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database
#suggestion
Chris,
I have to disagree with your point #1. On the Yahoo groups I was on, many with 1000 members or more, the databases were mostly updated by users. They could have been maintained by an owner/moderator, but that would have created more work for them. I found out how important this was when I started alternative groups on another service. Users will send me updates, I integrate them into the file, and upload the new version. When updates are frequent, it takes a lot of time. I've done some testing to see if a Wiki page would work, but it's somewhat limited and not very intuitive. It looks to me like it would get clumsy after more than a few entries were needed. Duane
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