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moderated Re: How on earth does Groups.io thread a topic?

 

Hi All,

I've just changed the threading algorithm. Here it is:

If a message has threading information, use that. (same as before)
If a message does not have threading information:
- If it's a web post, assume it's the start of a new thread
- If the subject starts with Re:, look for a matching subject within the last 30 days
- If the subject does not start with Re:, look for a matching subject within the last 2 days

Please let me know if it helps.

Thanks,
Mark

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 9:56 AM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Suddenly, today, the member's posts are threading correctly, even without "Re:"

The message activity log shows that he (and others) "Sent message Lysine" (instead of "Sent message Re: Lysine"). Yesterday, such posts were creating their own threads instead of threading under "Lysine." Today they are threading correctly.

I will try to get a better grip on this today and summarize it at the end of the day for Mark via support (and cc Shal). I'll also include whatever message headers seem relevant.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu



moderated Re: Font Size variation in body of posts / digests - thoughts? #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

There should have been a "tend" before that "to be much easier to read."



moderated Re: Font Size variation in body of posts / digests - thoughts? #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Mark,

           If you do decide to go this route as far as the presentation side of things goes, and I'd fully support that, would you please consider using a serifed font like Times New Roman or similar for the "convert to" font?

           There is actually a lot of formal research out there on reading that clearly indicates that most readers find serifed fonts (and "normally serifed," not some of the extreme exercises in design that exist) to be much easier to read than non-serifed fonts.  As you can see, Times New Roman, in 14-point, is slightly smaller than Helvetica is in the same point size, so you'd have to trial both the font chosen and the point size to arrive at something that you consider suitable.  I would be happy to make recommendations if those are welcome for candidate fonts.

Brian


moderated Re: Getting rid of full page refresh after choosing "Start Merge" #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Mark,

           I am adopting Zen for the moment, and have been.  This will likely be a low priority fix even if it's doable, but I'd still strongly suggest you put it on your list if it is simply because there exist a massive number of existing thread splits in groups that have been around a while that many other than myself feel almost duty bound to correct for the historical record and ease of searching.   Please don't make us have to "become perpetually additionally Zen about it" unless it really is a herculean task for you (in which case, I think we all understand priorities must be set).

Brian


moderated Re: Getting rid of full page refresh after choosing "Start Merge" #suggestion

 

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

If there is a way to stop the full page refresh after the "Start Merge" control is chosen, and to make sure that focus remains on or very close to the "merged into" thread after the "Merge into" step is taken it would make archive tidying a much easier process.

If there's not, then definitely let me know as I'll slowly transition myself into my Zen "that's the way it works; it's part of the charm" state and learn to deal.

Without thinking too hard about it, it's probably doable, but not without a lot of work. So I'd probably recommend Zen, at least for the short term. And hope that the thread fixes we're talking about reduce the need to merge.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Font Size variation in body of posts / digests - thoughts? #suggestion

 

Hi All,

Personally, I agree with Maria. I am distracted when messages contain different font sizes or colors. That's one of the reasons I thought MySpace was horrible, and why I agree with many of the design decisions that Facebook made. If you look at some of the popular forums out there, like Discourse and Reddit, they don't permit different font types, sizes and colors.

This has been in the back of my mind for awhile. I'd like to add an optional, but defaulted to on, feature to strip different font sizes, types and colors from messages. Perhaps I need to make this more of a priority.

Thanks,
Mark

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Maria,

> I'd be curious to know how forums that use discourse do it (like the
> feverbee community). Their web interface is all the same font size
> and their mailing list summaries too. It's HTML though not plain
> text. Graphics, emojis etc all visually represented. I think at
> least...

A forum might have limited composition tools, and might or might not represent the messages in HTML internally (though they must be converted to HTML for display in a browser or via email).

Groups tend to be fundamentally different in that posting by email is common - and the email user interfaces usually give the users fairly broad (if not complete) control of the sent HTML.

I could see where a group that posts entirely (or primarily) on the Groups.io interface might want an selection in between plain text and general HTML - one that removes the font, size and color choices but still allows text styles (italic, bold) and other elements.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum





moderated Re: Message Number Missing in E-mail footer

 

Maggie,

I hovered over the link in an email message and the URL with #4061331
shows up. I know that we don't have that many messages ...
That's the topic number, not the message number. I don't know why but topics are counted site-wide, not per group.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated New card added

beta@groups.io Integration <beta@...>
 

[Beta] New card "Ability to move photos between albums." was added to list "Photos".


moderated Re: Updating FILES

 

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Everett Kaser <everett@...> wrote:
This came up before:
   https://groups.io/g/beta/topic/1616504#7993
but I can't tell if it was made a "can't do" or if it was implemented somehow, and if so, how...

Is there a way to update a file (that the member uploaded) without deleting it first and then re-uploading?

There is currently no way to update a file. You may wish to look at the wiki, which would let you update text files.

Cheers,
Mark 


moderated Re: Moving files into folders bug

 

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Donald Hellen <donhellen@...> wrote:
We have a bug moving a file to a folder. Here's how we can duplicate
the bug.

Just a note to the group; this is caused by a bug that existed in the file import process when moving files from Yahoo. The bug's been fixed in the import process and I need to go and fix the issues with this group. The problem Don talked about should not exist in other groups.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Move photos between albums

 

Hello,

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Tami D <artfulmuze@...> wrote:
Is there a way to move photos from one album to another?
I've looked and cant find it if there is such a thing. 

We're an art group that has a monthly lottery. In Y-Groups, after the winner is chosen, one photo is moved into the "Past Lottery Winners" album and all the rest are moved into the "Past Lottery ATCs".
 In this way we keep all the lottery art together without having an extra album being added to the group each month.

There is currently no way to move photos between albums. I've added it to the TODO list but I do not know when it will be implemented.

Cheers,
Mark 


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Benoît Dumeaux <benoit.dumeaux@...> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 09:38 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
MISC: Ability to import photos, files, databases, links from Yahoo Groups.

 News about the group that ask this?


Several transfers have already been done. 

Mark


moderated Updating FILES

 

This came up before:
https://groups.io/g/beta/topic/1616504#7993
but I can't tell if it was made a "can't do" or if it was implemented somehow, and if so, how...

Is there a way to update a file (that the member uploaded) without deleting it first and then re-uploading?

Everett


moderated Re: pending member notices going into spam more often than not - is there any fix?

 

...just realized I answered with respect to thread splitting in the thread about spam, in response to your request to send you THOSE emails. That's because this seems to be an intersection of the two problems.
J

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 8:54 AM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 03:07 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Off-list, when this happens again, please send me the email addresses of the people whose messages are going in spam.

Mark,

I will send you this info today, even though things have changed a bit with regards to the splitting (not sure whether you've been working on it). For the info of others, it turns out that one of the people whose emails always (or used to) split threads told me yesterday that all (he used the word "all," could be just "most") of his messages from my group are going into his spam folder. He is using yahoo email, like the other person whose email splits threads.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu



--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: pending member notices going into spam more often than not - is there any fix?

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 03:07 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Off-list, when this happens again, please send me the email addresses of the people whose messages are going in spam.

Mark,

I will send you this info today, even though things have changed a bit with regards to the splitting (not sure whether you've been working on it). For the info of others, it turns out that one of the people whose emails always (or used to) split threads told me yesterday that all (he used the word "all," could be just "most") of his messages from my group are going into his spam folder. He is using yahoo email, like the other person whose email splits threads.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Message Number Missing in E-mail footer

Maggie
 

Hi Brenda, Linda and Shal,

I also get individual emails and use that message number feature as well, and noticed that it was recently missing.  I had never noticed that if you hovered over the "view/reply online" link that a URL pops up.  Upon doing so, I do see it.  But though the link does take me to the topic on the groups site, the message number is not the same.  I hovered over the link in an email message and the URL with #4061331 shows up. I know that we don't have that many messages and if I follow the "view/reply online" link in that email it brings me to message # 2044011.  Any thoughts on this?

Maggie


moderated Re: Font Size variation in body of posts / digests - thoughts? #suggestion

 

Maria,

I'd be curious to know how forums that use discourse do it (like the
feverbee community). Their web interface is all the same font size
and their mailing list summaries too. It's HTML though not plain
text. Graphics, emojis etc all visually represented. I think at
least...
A forum might have limited composition tools, and might or might not represent the messages in HTML internally (though they must be converted to HTML for display in a browser or via email).

Groups tend to be fundamentally different in that posting by email is common - and the email user interfaces usually give the users fairly broad (if not complete) control of the sent HTML.

I could see where a group that posts entirely (or primarily) on the Groups.io interface might want an selection in between plain text and general HTML - one that removes the font, size and color choices but still allows text styles (italic, bold) and other elements.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Re: Font Size variation in body of posts / digests - thoughts? #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 05:19 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
They could compose in plain text instead, as Duane related. In the email interfaces I'm familiar with (including Gmail and Thunderbird) plain text composition and reading use a font and size selected via the settings (options) page.

Well, I suppose they could.  I could also do the same.  That goes against the trend that's decades long now that the default composition and reading modes are generally HTML.

What it comes down to is how much customization individual end users are expected to do in order to create an end result that other end users are demanding (and I don't use that pejoratively).  I can say with utter certainty that, as a general rule, I try to teach blind or visually-impaired individuals to avoid doing any unnecessary customizing, because it makes it incredibly more difficult to use the portable versions of screen readers or third-party magnification software if they find that they need to use someone else's computer and nothing is "normal" when they do.   I used to take precisely the opposite approach, making an individual user's computer "fit like a glove," until I saw firsthand what happened when they had to jump on to, say, a computer lab computer or a friend's computer and do something they could do with ease, but nothing works in the way they're accustomed to because it depended on having tons of stuff customized that typically is not.   It decreases independence and accessibility rather than increases it.

Brian


moderated Re: Font Size variation in body of posts / digests - thoughts? #suggestion

 

Brian,

... a lot of the folks I read who have low vision as opposed to
blindness routinely use 24 or 36 point font in their messages because
this is what allows them to read their own messages while they
compose them.
They could compose in plain text instead, as Duane related. In the email interfaces I'm familiar with (including Gmail and Thunderbird) plain text composition and reading use a font and size selected via the settings (options) page.

In both Gmail and Thunderbird this is called the "Default" text style - it is also what you get if you use the "Remove formatting" tool within an HTML composition window.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Re: Font Size variation in body of posts / digests - thoughts? #suggestion

 

Brian,

... I have been told that the group owner is able to control, at
the group level, the availability of fonts, sizes, etc., but have no
way to verify that.
The only control is to check the Plain Text Only box in the group's Settings page, as Duane has done. That puts the display font and size under the control of the receiving user interface (webmail, email client application, or Groups.io messages page).

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum

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