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moderated Re: Holidays

Duane
 

Please enjoy your well deserved time off and the joy of being with your family.

Duane


moderated Re: Holidays

Anita L
 

Mark thanks for all of your hard work. Have a great holiday and happy new year.
 
Anita  
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 12/20/2016 8:18:33 PM
Subject: [beta] Holidays
 
Hi All,

I'm off for the holidays, returning Wednesday, January 4th. This means I'll be slow to respond to emails during that time. I will be monitoring the service as usual.

I hope you all have a great holiday season (or last few days of the year, whichever you prefer)!

Thanks,
Mark
 


moderated Holidays

 

Hi All,

I'm off for the holidays, returning Wednesday, January 4th. This means I'll be slow to respond to emails during that time. I will be monitoring the service as usual.

I hope you all have a great holiday season (or last few days of the year, whichever you prefer)!

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Yahoo Group Transfers

 

HI All,

Unfortunately, I discovered an issue that did not come up during testing. There's a bug in how Yahoo exports databases and the Links section. They don't properly handle quotes. So if any database fields or links have quotes in them, there's a good chance that I won't be able to import those records. There's unfortunately nothing I can do programmatically to handle this. Records that I cannot import will be skipped. Once the import is complete, you can go back and fix up the databases by hand by exporting them from Yahoo and manually editing the CSV files.

Also, because of the holidays, please be patient with transfer requests. I'll try to get to them as soon as I can.

Thanks,
Mark

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 3:18 PM, atinalee@... via Groups.Io <atinalee@...> wrote:
Mark that is great you can do that now. I did it myself already. Good for the new groups coming in. I know I just recommended your place here to a few people who have groups. They will need that done.
 
Anita 
 
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 12/20/2016 1:19:52 PM
Subject: [beta] Yahoo Group Transfers
 
Hi All,

In addition to members and messages, I can now move photos, files, links and databases when doing the easy transfer process. Just specify you'd like everything moved when you do the final move request. Photos may have to be rotated once they're transferred; unfortunately I don't always get the proper orientation information from Yahoo.

If you have already moved your group over here, but would like these other parts moved now, I can do that as well. Send a message to transfer@groups.io to start that process.

Please spread the word.

Thanks,
Mark
 



moderated Re: selective splitting/merging of topics #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

J,

        No argument there, as one can find oneself in the situation where a series of messages "sandwiched between the original topic and more of the original topic" would be ideal for excision and being set up as a separate topic of their own.

        I was just musing on the futility of it all in the grand scheme of things, not the lack of utility of your request.
--
Brian

I have made mistakes, but have never made the mistake of claiming I never made one.   

          ~  James G. Bennet


moderated Re: selective splitting/merging of topics #suggestion

 

Right. All true. But given that there IS the availability of thread splitting/renaming, which we're stuck with, I think a 'cut and splice' feature would at least be an improvement.
J

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 20, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

J,

            I understand what you're asking for, and agree it would be ideal, but I really wonder whether it would help at all even if it were possible because of the "dual nature" of Groups.io that I know we've talked about here many times.

            In any group where you have the majority of participants interacting via e-mail it's the e-mail subject itself that determines whether a given submission will be attached to an existing topic/thread, be spun off as a separate thread, and the like.    Even if you were able to "hack out a tangent from the heart of an ongoing topic" and establish a separate topic, what are the odds that any of the many e-mail participants are going to know about that in in any timely manner.  I can see, on groups with large memberships and a large percentage of e-mail participants, all attempts to do what it sounds like you're trying to do coming to naught when someone replies to the original topic, from which you've now established a parallel topic with a new title that befits it, and you are back to having that parallel topic as a tangent either at the end of or, if enough "original topic topic" responses come in after it, back in the heart of the original thread.

             I am driven crazy, almost literally, by the endless amount of unnecessary (and sometimes unintentional, but often not) topic/thread splitting that goes on in many Groups.io groups which is sort of the "flip side" of your initial issue - but a related one.   You'll have an original topic, say, "Amazon Echo," asking for people's opinions and experiences with said product.  One person responding decides to change the subject to, "My impressions of the Amazon Echo," and the splitting is afoot.  I can't make certain e-mail participants understand what havoc this wreaks for those trying to read on the web interface and what this does to archive coherence as well.  I've seen what are actually single conversation topics broken into sometimes as many as three or four separate topics.  I have wracked my brain for a way to beg people to not do this and, if they have a stand-alone topic that is spurred by an existing one that's not a brief diversion, to actually create a reply with a Subject that will create a topic that others can gravitate to in order to discuss it.   I have decided that this is likely an impossible dream on my part.
--
Brian

I have made mistakes, but have never made the mistake of claiming I never made one.   

          ~  James G. Bennet


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: selective splitting/merging of topics #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

J,

            I understand what you're asking for, and agree it would be ideal, but I really wonder whether it would help at all even if it were possible because of the "dual nature" of Groups.io that I know we've talked about here many times.

            In any group where you have the majority of participants interacting via e-mail it's the e-mail subject itself that determines whether a given submission will be attached to an existing topic/thread, be spun off as a separate thread, and the like.    Even if you were able to "hack out a tangent from the heart of an ongoing topic" and establish a separate topic, what are the odds that any of the many e-mail participants are going to know about that in in any timely manner.  I can see, on groups with large memberships and a large percentage of e-mail participants, all attempts to do what it sounds like you're trying to do coming to naught when someone replies to the original topic, from which you've now established a parallel topic with a new title that befits it, and you are back to having that parallel topic as a tangent either at the end of or, if enough "original topic topic" responses come in after it, back in the heart of the original thread.

             I am driven crazy, almost literally, by the endless amount of unnecessary (and sometimes unintentional, but often not) topic/thread splitting that goes on in many Groups.io groups which is sort of the "flip side" of your initial issue - but a related one.   You'll have an original topic, say, "Amazon Echo," asking for people's opinions and experiences with said product.  One person responding decides to change the subject to, "My impressions of the Amazon Echo," and the splitting is afoot.  I can't make certain e-mail participants understand what havoc this wreaks for those trying to read on the web interface and what this does to archive coherence as well.  I've seen what are actually single conversation topics broken into sometimes as many as three or four separate topics.  I have wracked my brain for a way to beg people to not do this and, if they have a stand-alone topic that is spurred by an existing one that's not a brief diversion, to actually create a reply with a Subject that will create a topic that others can gravitate to in order to discuss it.   I have decided that this is likely an impossible dream on my part.
--
Brian

I have made mistakes, but have never made the mistake of claiming I never made one.   

          ~  James G. Bennet


moderated Re: Yahoo Group Transfers

Anita L
 

Mark that is great you can do that now. I did it myself already. Good for the new groups coming in. I know I just recommended your place here to a few people who have groups. They will need that done.
 
Anita 
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 12/20/2016 1:19:52 PM
Subject: [beta] Yahoo Group Transfers
 
Hi All,

In addition to members and messages, I can now move photos, files, links and databases when doing the easy transfer process. Just specify you'd like everything moved when you do the final move request. Photos may have to be rotated once they're transferred; unfortunately I don't always get the proper orientation information from Yahoo.

If you have already moved your group over here, but would like these other parts moved now, I can do that as well. Send a message to transfer@groups.io to start that process.

Please spread the word.

Thanks,
Mark
 


moderated Re: New HTML footer

Maria
 

It's perfect! Thank you!

Maria


moderated Re: New HTML footer

Anita L
 

Mark I love it. Great job. Thanks so much for doing this and your hard work.
 
I am loving iogroups.
 
Anita  
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 12/20/2016 4:20:53 PM
Subject: [beta] New HTML footer
 

Hi All,

I've reorganized the footer a bit (only for HTML messages at the moment). The links now match the links in the digest. The new footer currently only shows up on beta@ messages.

Please let me know what you think.

Thanks, Mark

 


moderated Re: New HTML footer

Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Mark, looks good here. From a blindness perspective

On Dec 20, 2016, at 3:20 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

I've reorganized the footer a bit (only for HTML messages at the moment). The links now match the links in the digest. The new footer currently only shows up on beta@ messages.

Please let me know what you think.

Thanks, Mark



moderated Re: New HTML footer

 

Better than just before. I think it's a fine compromise. :-)
J

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 20, 2016, at 1:20 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

I've reorganized the footer a bit (only for HTML messages at the moment). The links now match the links in the digest. The new footer currently only shows up on beta@ messages.

Please let me know what you think.

Thanks, Mark


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated New HTML footer

 

Hi All,

I've reorganized the footer a bit (only for HTML messages at the moment). The links now match the links in the digest. The new footer currently only shows up on beta@ messages.

Please let me know what you think.

Thanks, Mark


moderated Re: Yahoo Group Transfers

Benoît Dumeaux
 

Big up!


moderated Yahoo Group Transfers

 

Hi All,

In addition to members and messages, I can now move photos, files, links and databases when doing the easy transfer process. Just specify you'd like everything moved when you do the final move request. Photos may have to be rotated once they're transferred; unfortunately I don't always get the proper orientation information from Yahoo.

If you have already moved your group over here, but would like these other parts moved now, I can do that as well. Send a message to transfer@groups.io to start that process.

Please spread the word.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: selective splitting/merging of topics #suggestion

 

They can't start it in the middle of a thread. It would be at the end initially, and that's easy to split (assuming you get to in time). The problem is when responses via email still go to the original thread. 

The more I think about this, the more I realize how much time I spend actually trying to fix these situations. So if at all doable, it would be super convenient. Without it, thread splitting (or renaming) is of very limited usefulness.

J

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

I second this suggestion, especially when facing a situation where someone would start an off-topic post in the middle of a thread.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: beta@groups.io [mailto:beta@groups.io] On Behalf Of J_Catlady
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 8:54 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] selective splitting/merging of topics #wishlist #longshot

 

I realize this will be low on the priorities even if doable, but it would be very convenient to be able to split and merge a range  (an "inner" subset) of posts from a thread rather than the whole thing or just the end.

I'm currently trying to untangle a topic that got very twisted up with another one, and am about to give up. Usually I can split off the end of a topic once it goes into a tangent, and rename it. Even when people continue to respond via email (and therefore to the old topic), I can manage to split the pieces off into temporary threads, split THOSE at the point where the topic changes back to the correct one, and place the pieces where they belong into the proper threads. But today the tangling is just too hard to undo.

It would be great to have the ability to split off a range of messages within a thread into a new thread, rather than the entire end of the thread. And similarly, it would be very useful to merge a range of messages within a thread into another thread. 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu



--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: selective splitting/merging of topics #suggestion

 

Hi,

I second this suggestion, especially when facing a situation where someone would start an off-topic post in the middle of a thread.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: beta@groups.io [mailto:beta@groups.io] On Behalf Of J_Catlady
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 8:54 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] selective splitting/merging of topics #wishlist #longshot

 

I realize this will be low on the priorities even if doable, but it would be very convenient to be able to split and merge a range  (an "inner" subset) of posts from a thread rather than the whole thing or just the end.

I'm currently trying to untangle a topic that got very twisted up with another one, and am about to give up. Usually I can split off the end of a topic once it goes into a tangent, and rename it. Even when people continue to respond via email (and therefore to the old topic), I can manage to split the pieces off into temporary threads, split THOSE at the point where the topic changes back to the correct one, and place the pieces where they belong into the proper threads. But today the tangling is just too hard to undo.

It would be great to have the ability to split off a range of messages within a thread into a new thread, rather than the entire end of the thread. And similarly, it would be very useful to merge a range of messages within a thread into another thread. 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated selective splitting/merging of topics #suggestion

 

I realize this will be low on the priorities even if doable, but it would be very convenient to be able to split and merge a range  (an "inner" subset) of posts from a thread rather than the whole thing or just the end.

I'm currently trying to untangle a topic that got very twisted up with another one, and am about to give up. Usually I can split off the end of a topic once it goes into a tangent, and rename it. Even when people continue to respond via email (and therefore to the old topic), I can manage to split the pieces off into temporary threads, split THOSE at the point where the topic changes back to the correct one, and place the pieces where they belong into the proper threads. But today the tangling is just too hard to undo.

It would be great to have the ability to split off a range of messages within a thread into a new thread, rather than the entire end of the thread. And similarly, it would be very useful to merge a range of messages within a thread into another thread. 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Footer placement

Maria
 

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 06:53 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
I like Maria's idea of separating the message-related links from the more system-related ones. With the current set of links I would propose putting the group footer in between "New Topic" and "Change Your Subscription".

I like that idea too ;) 

And if there is any way in individual emails in groups that force HTML for the message related links to be placed horizontally as they are in the digest, that would help further in that it wouldn't create a vertically distant separation from the footer.

We do include links in our footers so as to keep them shorter - but they link to pages we've set up on a secondary site that are publicly viewable. That said - as mentioned, even a 2 sentence footer on a small mobile screen can bury the message related links way too much and can end up affecting participation.

Maria


moderated Re: Footer placement

Maria
 

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 06:54 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
I strongly disagree with this suggestion.

I second that. 

Maria