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moderated Re: New HTML footer

Maria
 

It's perfect! Thank you!

Maria


moderated Re: New HTML footer

Anita L
 

Mark I love it. Great job. Thanks so much for doing this and your hard work.
 
I am loving iogroups.
 
Anita  
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 12/20/2016 4:20:53 PM
Subject: [beta] New HTML footer
 

Hi All,

I've reorganized the footer a bit (only for HTML messages at the moment). The links now match the links in the digest. The new footer currently only shows up on beta@ messages.

Please let me know what you think.

Thanks, Mark

 


moderated Re: New HTML footer

Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Mark, looks good here. From a blindness perspective

On Dec 20, 2016, at 3:20 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

I've reorganized the footer a bit (only for HTML messages at the moment). The links now match the links in the digest. The new footer currently only shows up on beta@ messages.

Please let me know what you think.

Thanks, Mark



moderated Re: New HTML footer

 

Better than just before. I think it's a fine compromise. :-)
J

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 20, 2016, at 1:20 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

I've reorganized the footer a bit (only for HTML messages at the moment). The links now match the links in the digest. The new footer currently only shows up on beta@ messages.

Please let me know what you think.

Thanks, Mark


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated New HTML footer

 

Hi All,

I've reorganized the footer a bit (only for HTML messages at the moment). The links now match the links in the digest. The new footer currently only shows up on beta@ messages.

Please let me know what you think.

Thanks, Mark


moderated Re: Yahoo Group Transfers

Benoît Dumeaux
 

Big up!


moderated Yahoo Group Transfers

 

Hi All,

In addition to members and messages, I can now move photos, files, links and databases when doing the easy transfer process. Just specify you'd like everything moved when you do the final move request. Photos may have to be rotated once they're transferred; unfortunately I don't always get the proper orientation information from Yahoo.

If you have already moved your group over here, but would like these other parts moved now, I can do that as well. Send a message to transfer@groups.io to start that process.

Please spread the word.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: selective splitting/merging of topics #suggestion

 

They can't start it in the middle of a thread. It would be at the end initially, and that's easy to split (assuming you get to in time). The problem is when responses via email still go to the original thread. 

The more I think about this, the more I realize how much time I spend actually trying to fix these situations. So if at all doable, it would be super convenient. Without it, thread splitting (or renaming) is of very limited usefulness.

J

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

I second this suggestion, especially when facing a situation where someone would start an off-topic post in the middle of a thread.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: beta@groups.io [mailto:beta@groups.io] On Behalf Of J_Catlady
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 8:54 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] selective splitting/merging of topics #wishlist #longshot

 

I realize this will be low on the priorities even if doable, but it would be very convenient to be able to split and merge a range  (an "inner" subset) of posts from a thread rather than the whole thing or just the end.

I'm currently trying to untangle a topic that got very twisted up with another one, and am about to give up. Usually I can split off the end of a topic once it goes into a tangent, and rename it. Even when people continue to respond via email (and therefore to the old topic), I can manage to split the pieces off into temporary threads, split THOSE at the point where the topic changes back to the correct one, and place the pieces where they belong into the proper threads. But today the tangling is just too hard to undo.

It would be great to have the ability to split off a range of messages within a thread into a new thread, rather than the entire end of the thread. And similarly, it would be very useful to merge a range of messages within a thread into another thread. 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu



--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: selective splitting/merging of topics #suggestion

 

Hi,

I second this suggestion, especially when facing a situation where someone would start an off-topic post in the middle of a thread.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: beta@groups.io [mailto:beta@groups.io] On Behalf Of J_Catlady
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 8:54 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] selective splitting/merging of topics #wishlist #longshot

 

I realize this will be low on the priorities even if doable, but it would be very convenient to be able to split and merge a range  (an "inner" subset) of posts from a thread rather than the whole thing or just the end.

I'm currently trying to untangle a topic that got very twisted up with another one, and am about to give up. Usually I can split off the end of a topic once it goes into a tangent, and rename it. Even when people continue to respond via email (and therefore to the old topic), I can manage to split the pieces off into temporary threads, split THOSE at the point where the topic changes back to the correct one, and place the pieces where they belong into the proper threads. But today the tangling is just too hard to undo.

It would be great to have the ability to split off a range of messages within a thread into a new thread, rather than the entire end of the thread. And similarly, it would be very useful to merge a range of messages within a thread into another thread. 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated selective splitting/merging of topics #suggestion

 

I realize this will be low on the priorities even if doable, but it would be very convenient to be able to split and merge a range  (an "inner" subset) of posts from a thread rather than the whole thing or just the end.

I'm currently trying to untangle a topic that got very twisted up with another one, and am about to give up. Usually I can split off the end of a topic once it goes into a tangent, and rename it. Even when people continue to respond via email (and therefore to the old topic), I can manage to split the pieces off into temporary threads, split THOSE at the point where the topic changes back to the correct one, and place the pieces where they belong into the proper threads. But today the tangling is just too hard to undo.

It would be great to have the ability to split off a range of messages within a thread into a new thread, rather than the entire end of the thread. And similarly, it would be very useful to merge a range of messages within a thread into another thread. 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Footer placement

Maria
 

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 06:53 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
I like Maria's idea of separating the message-related links from the more system-related ones. With the current set of links I would propose putting the group footer in between "New Topic" and "Change Your Subscription".

I like that idea too ;) 

And if there is any way in individual emails in groups that force HTML for the message related links to be placed horizontally as they are in the digest, that would help further in that it wouldn't create a vertically distant separation from the footer.

We do include links in our footers so as to keep them shorter - but they link to pages we've set up on a secondary site that are publicly viewable. That said - as mentioned, even a 2 sentence footer on a small mobile screen can bury the message related links way too much and can end up affecting participation.

Maria


moderated Re: Footer placement

Maria
 

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 06:54 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
I strongly disagree with this suggestion.

I second that. 

Maria


moderated Re: Footer placement

 

Anita, Tami,

But like Anita, I would like the option of removing some of the links
at the end of the emails. My group members don't need all those links.
I strongly disagree with this suggestion.

1) I don't like the inconsistent structure it would produce, where as a member of several groups I might have different features in different groups.

2) I do not think it is any group manager's place to limit my use of the features provided by those links.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Re: Footer placement

 

Mark,

So, I ask the group, where do you think it should go?
I like Maria's idea of separating the message-related links from the more system-related ones. With the current set of links I would propose putting the group footer in between "New Topic" and "Change Your Subscription".

I'll also offer the suggestion that it be possible to include a link with the group footer. That way the groups with a very long footer could instead cite the info by link rather than include all of it in every email.

The trick is that one would want the link to work even for email-only members and those who aren't logged in to Groups.io. Since most groups don't have public Wiki or Messages I'm not sure what to suggest. Perhaps yet another type of Member Notice ("Message Info") which, if present, is linked from the message footer.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Re: Being blocked form all groups.io incoming emial

Marlin47
 

Thank you John, you have given me a couple of good ideas there, I will investigate them.

Marlin

On 12/17/2016 8:35 PM, JohnF via Groups.Io wrote:
I don't know what the problem is, but if your status is listed as Bouncing, then Groups.io might have stopped attempting to send you mail.

Try unbouncing yourself on the group you own and see what happens.

You can also see your Email Delivery History on the Subscription of any group, even if you're a regular member, but I don't know how complete it is, because I've never been bouncing. You can check to see if it has any useful information.

JohnF



moderated Re: Being blocked form all groups.io incoming emial

 

I don't know what the problem is, but if your status is listed as Bouncing, then Groups.io might have stopped attempting to send you mail.

Try unbouncing yourself on the group you own and see what happens.

You can also see your Email Delivery History on the Subscription of any group, even if you're a regular member, but I don't know how complete it is, because I've never been bouncing. You can check to see if it has any useful information.

JohnF


moderated Re: Footer placement

 

I think exactly the opposite. The links look like the end/bottom of the message, and very few people who don't actually intend to use them will read past them to what is often important fine print about the forum that should be easily viewable in every message.

My two cents as well.

J

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 4:02 PM, HR Tech via Groups.Io <m.conway11@...> wrote:
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 09:37 am, J_Catlady wrote:
I disagree that the group message should be limited to the welcome message or other one-time announcement, especially if it constitutes a legal caveat or privacy warning.

I wasn't suggesting that groups not have important messages in their footer. I was suggesting additional measures that one can take to ensure that newbies see / read anything that is important - given the fact that gmail truncates things beyond a certain length ( long digests) and makes you click on them to view in full on desktop.

As for the digest - i think it's perfect as is. I wouldn't change a thing. That was my point. It works well there to have message, action links, then footer. Not sure why same logic can't apply to individual emails.

My main issue is that action links should be near the message you plan to act on (as Y! and others do it), and not buried under a footer. Even more so for newbies who may think the footer is the end of the message (as it would be say in a regular email with a legal disclaimer and as it is in the digest) and may not see the useful links that come with each individual email - especially on mobile.

My 2 cents.



--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Footer placement

Maria
 

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 09:37 am, J_Catlady wrote:
I disagree that the group message should be limited to the welcome message or other one-time announcement, especially if it constitutes a legal caveat or privacy warning.

I wasn't suggesting that groups not have important messages in their footer. I was suggesting additional measures that one can take to ensure that newbies see / read anything that is important - given the fact that gmail truncates things beyond a certain length ( long digests) and makes you click on them to view in full on desktop.

As for the digest - i think it's perfect as is. I wouldn't change a thing. That was my point. It works well there to have message, action links, then footer. Not sure why same logic can't apply to individual emails.

My main issue is that action links should be near the message you plan to act on (as Y! and others do it), and not buried under a footer. Even more so for newbies who may think the footer is the end of the message (as it would be say in a regular email with a legal disclaimer and as it is in the digest) and may not see the useful links that come with each individual email - especially on mobile.

My 2 cents.


moderated Being blocked form all groups.io incoming emial

Marlin47
 

Yesterday afternoon, right at about 4:00 PM Central time, I stopped receiving any email from any groups.io group.

I checked one group on the Groups.io web site and found that there were several messages that I had not received.

I then checked my membership on that group (I am the group owner) and I found that my email address was bouncing.

I checked that at about 6:00 yesterday evening, I had already missed something like 30 messages.

In the meantime, I was receiving messages from some Yahoo groups and some privately sent messages, so, I knew my email was working

I checked the web site of my internet service provider to see it the messages were there, they were not.

So, I phoned my ISP (Mediacom) and finally got through to a real, live person, who told me that they were not blocking anything, that the problem must be some "third party" somewhere before the messages get to Mediacom.

By then, it was late, I went to bed.

This morning, still the same problem.

Again, I phoned Mediacom, they told me that they never block incoming email unless their "Spam Detectors" recognize the incoming messages are a threat, and then they only do it one message at a time.

The gentleman said that he would write up a ticket and forward it to the "Tier 2" people, whoever they are.

He said someone would call me back in 24 to 48 hours.

If this kind of problem has been discussed here before, I guess I must have missed it.

All of my other email is coming through just fine, I am using Thunderbird, which the tech at Mediacom told me could be the problem (Ha).

And, he suggested I unplug my modem and router for 5 minutes.

Why do I think I got ahold of the wrong person there?

Ok, so has this happened to anyone else, if so, what did you do to get it corrected?

Marlin


moderated Re: Footer placement

 

Agree.  Message, then footer, then links.  Would like ability to edit which links to show to group - there are quite a few.  Most of our members are so accustomed to them, they don't even pay attention and then ask for the info that is in the links.  


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