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moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • BUGFIX: Clicking on a poll in the Polls View, then clicking on Messages, was not bringing you back to Polls view.
  • BUGFIX: When viewing a pending message on mobile with a really long line, break it to prevent horizontal scrolling.
  • BUGFIX: Line spacing issues in full featured digests.
  • BUGFIX: Tweaked hashtags in full featured digests so that there is vertical spacing.
  • INTERNAL: Sped up next/prev paging in messages views.
  • INTERNAL: Sped up initial load of messages, topics and members views.
  • CHANGE: Moved group footer to bottom of Groups.io footer section
  • CHANGE: Changed font size declarations for the index in full featured digests, to match font declarations elsewhere.
  • CHANGE: In the calendar display, show multi-line event titles.
  • BUGFIX: Couldn't set country in an Address database column.
  • CHANGE: Approve a pending message even if it has restricted hashtags.
  • BUGFIX: For moderated threads, there could be an approved message loop.
  • SYSADMIN: Removed misbehaving search02 node from search cluster.

Have a good weekend everybody!

Mark


moderated Re: Footer placement

 

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 09:08 pm, HR Tech wrote:
I think that once a participant sees the footer,  she/he isn't going to read it each time, they get a message.

Obviously. But it needs to be seen by the new participants. It's a little blip in the big scheme of the rest of it and the annoyance of having to "scroll through it" is extremely minor compared to its importance.

Visually, shmisually, roof and foundation; not buying that. The logical hierarchy is still individual message content, then the group's message content, then the overall Groups'io content.
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moderated Re: Footer placement

Maria
 

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 08:28 pm, J_Catlady wrote:
To me it boils down to which thing is more important for users to see that they might otherwise skip. In other words, what needs to be most *in their face*.

I think that once a participant sees the footer,  she/he isn't going to read it each time, they get a message. They've read it once, the group owner needs to put it there for legal reasons, disclaimers etc, but as a reader/participant I am going to ignore it after the first time I've read it unless it has something in it that I need. As an owner, I can rest assured that my footer is there and I've done my part.

As a user/member what I do need, and what is a priority to me, are my action links/buttons so I can do what I want to do in the group: participate. To have to scroll past a footer on iphone each time I want to click "reply to group" or "reply to sender" or "view online" or "new topic" is tiring and affects my desire to participate and makes me work harder to contribute to the group.

Visually, I also think that the horizontal shape of the top message followed by the vertical structure of the links and closed by the horizontal shape of the footer grounds the individual email more - like a roof and a foundation.

Maybe if the links could be horizontal instead of vertical they wouldn't feel like they separate the message from the footer too much? Like the way Y! does it.

And then maybe the links being before the footer wouldn't feel like such a difference from before?

Maria


moderated Re: Footer placement

 

There's also triage. A group's signature message I think in general tends to be shorter than the whole slew of links, so it makes sense to let it go first. It's just a small blip.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Footer placement

 

To me it boils down to which thing is more important for users to see that they might otherwise skip. In other words, what needs to be most *in their face*.

Users are not going to skip over the io links if they need or want to do something; they're motivated to get to them. But group notices are generally something they're not motivated to read, even though those notices may actually in many cases be more important for them to read - legal caveats, such as the one in most health and/or pet groups that the information in the group should not be considered medical or veterinary advice and they should seek the advice of their own doctor or vet; warnings that a group is public and that they should take care to protect their privacy when they post; etc. 

This is why I feel strongly that the group message needs to come first. There's also a certain logical/aesthetic hierarchy that putting the group message first honors: individual messages in the group at the lowest level, then the group's overall message, then the user's links to "all their groups" etc. Reversing the order of the last two doesn't make much sense to me.

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Deleting Group problem possibly #bug

Armando <armando.l.vias@...>
 

Hi. When I tried to delete a group, I was returned to the messages page. I pressed the delete group button and confirmed the group deletion and when I confirmed it, it returned me to the message page. I checked the link when I was confirming the deletion before pressing the delete group button. The link directed back to the messages page. Has anyone experienced this?

Sent from my iPhone 6s


moderated Re: Footer placement

Maria
 

On Y! the footer came after the links, and the links on individual emails were sorted horizontally not vertically. So you could get to them easily and quickly - as they help you participate in your group.

On mobile - to see the links after the footer on individual emails, involves a substantial amount of scrolling each time to get to your action links.

The footer is repetitive and static, yet it has to be there. The links are necessary in order to take actions that help people participate in the group. On mobile they get buried by a footer even when the footer is only a few sentences long. Especially on the iphones with smaller screens.

For those reasons, I personally prefer links first and footer last.

Maria


moderated Re: Footer placement

Tami D <artfulmuze@...>
 

Personally it doesn't matter to me where it goes. 
But like Anita, I would like the option of removing some of the links at the end of the emails. My group members don't need all those links.

Thanks for all you're doing for IO Groups

Tami Davis



------ Original Message ------
From: "Mark Fletcher" <markf@corp.groups.io>
Sent: 12/16/2016 5:35:06 PM
Subject: [beta] Footer placement

Hi All,

You may have noticed that I changed the placement of the group footer within the overall message footer. Previously, it appeared before the links. Now it appears at the bottom, after the links. I did this by request from someone who has a long group footer, which definitely works better after all the links. But I've received requests to return the footer to the previous position. So, I ask the group, where do you think it should go?

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Footer placement

Anita L
 

I want to change what I wrote. I think now I like the groups footer after the iolinks. That seems fine.
 
Just wondering still if all those iolinks are necessary?
 
Anita  
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 12/16/2016 6:35:10 PM
Subject: [beta] Footer placement
 
Hi All,

You may have noticed that I changed the placement of the group footer within the overall message footer. Previously, it appeared before the links. Now it appears at the bottom, after the links. I did this by request from someone who has a long group footer, which definitely works better after all the links. But I've received requests to return the footer to the previous position. So, I ask the group, where do you think it should go?

Thanks,
Mark
 


moderated Re: Footer placement

 

Agree. Message, then footer, then links.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Footer placement

Duane
 

I think the group footer should follow the message(s), then the site footer. Makes sense to me for them to be in that configuration due to priority.

Duane


moderated Re: Footer placement

David P. Dillard
 

I, on the other hand, value having as much information as possible about my group and groups in general, so I would like these links to be retained 


Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584



On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 6:43 PM, atinalee@... via Groups.Io <atinalee@...> wrote:
For me I like it before your links for the group. I did notice the links you put on are so many. Is there a way to reduce them. I don't think members need to see all of those links you put in automatically?
I would like to see less. Or is there a way for each group to choose how many they want?
 
Thanks
 
Anita L 
 
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 12/16/2016 6:35:10 PM
Subject: [beta] Footer placement
 
Hi All,

You may have noticed that I changed the placement of the group footer within the overall message footer. Previously, it appeared before the links. Now it appears at the bottom, after the links. I did this by request from someone who has a long group footer, which definitely works better after all the links. But I've received requests to return the footer to the previous position. So, I ask the group, where do you think it should go?

Thanks,
Mark
 




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moderated Re: Footer placement

 

Maybe you can add an option for this in the group settings.

Met vriendelijke groet,
Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl mailgroep
https://win10-nl.groups.io/g/algemeen
Op 17-12-2016 om 00:35 schreef Mark Fletcher:

Hi All,

You may have noticed that I changed the placement of the group footer within the overall message footer. Previously, it appeared before the links. Now it appears at the bottom, after the links. I did this by request from someone who has a long group footer, which definitely works better after all the links. But I've received requests to return the footer to the previous position. So, I ask the group, where do you think it should go?

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Footer placement

Anita L
 

For me I like it before your links for the group. I did notice the links you put on are so many. Is there a way to reduce them. I don't think members need to see all of those links you put in automatically?
I would like to see less. Or is there a way for each group to choose how many they want?
 
Thanks
 
Anita L 
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 12/16/2016 6:35:10 PM
Subject: [beta] Footer placement
 
Hi All,

You may have noticed that I changed the placement of the group footer within the overall message footer. Previously, it appeared before the links. Now it appears at the bottom, after the links. I did this by request from someone who has a long group footer, which definitely works better after all the links. But I've received requests to return the footer to the previous position. So, I ask the group, where do you think it should go?

Thanks,
Mark
 


moderated Footer placement

 

Hi All,

You may have noticed that I changed the placement of the group footer within the overall message footer. Previously, it appeared before the links. Now it appears at the bottom, after the links. I did this by request from someone who has a long group footer, which definitely works better after all the links. But I've received requests to return the footer to the previous position. So, I ask the group, where do you think it should go?

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: groups.io site

Steph Mathews <smathews@...>
 

Hi Marvin,
I have no problems logging into http://Groups.io.  My suggestion would be to send an email to support@Groups.io with the error you get when you log in.  I hope that this is helpful.  Steph

Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 2:42 AM
Subject: [beta] groups.io site

Hi, for the past day or two, not able to go to the groups.io site, says cannot find server or fix connection, internet explorer 11, windows 10, and says dns server not available. And on firefox, says it cannot find the server at https://groups.io, cannot find server. So any ideas.

Is it something at my end, or is mark doing updates, or maintanence, or worst of all a denial of service attack. Any ideas. Ps: can receive and send groups e-mail, but cannot go to any features of the site, groups, the main site, login, etc.

Marvin.


moderated Re: groups.io site

Anita L
 

I have had no problem getting to the iogroups page. I use Firefox or chrome. Do you have it blocked for some reason or a firewall setting? I also have windows 10 but never like Internet explorer so don't use that. Try cleaning out your temp files and history on the browsers etc.
 
Anita  
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 12/16/2016 10:07:27 AM
Subject: [beta] groups.io site
 

Hi, for the past day or two, not able to go to the groups.io site, says cannot find server or fix connection, internet explorer 11, windows 10, and says dns server not available. And on firefox, says it cannot find the server at https://groups.io, cannot find server. So any ideas.

Is it something at my end, or is mark doing updates, or maintanence, or worst of all a denial of service attack. Any ideas. Ps: can receive and send groups e-mail, but cannot go to any features of the site, groups, the main site, login, etc.

Marvin.

 


moderated groups.io site

marvin hunkin <startrekcafe@...>
 

Hi, for the past day or two, not able to go to the groups.io site, says cannot find server or fix connection, internet explorer 11, windows 10, and says dns server not available. And on firefox, says it cannot find the server at https://groups.io, cannot find server. So any ideas.

Is it something at my end, or is mark doing updates, or maintanence, or worst of all a denial of service attack. Any ideas. Ps: can receive and send groups e-mail, but cannot go to any features of the site, groups, the main site, login, etc.

Marvin.


moderated Re: Canned (or I suspect canned) "Message Not Approved" Message

Bob Bellizzi
 

thank goodness,

I thought that bug was out of the can for far too many messages.<g>


moderated Re: Canned (or I suspect canned) "Message Not Approved" Message

ro-esp
 

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 06:12 am, J_Catlady wrote:


As a closing for a rejected message notification, I find it ironic (if not
downright cruel). The closing for the banned notification was changed awhile
back for similar reasons. 'You're banned. Drink up!'
yes, that would be my initial association too. I'd never say "cheers" without a glass or cup of alcoholic beverage in hand - but then I'm Dutch.

groetjes, Ronaldo