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moderated Icon Trivialities

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Does anyone know why attached PDF files get an icon that boldly declares them to be PDFs while Microsoft Word documents get a generic file icon with a question mark in the center?  It seems odd to me that any of the MS-Office file extensions are not recognized and given an icon that visually identifies it with something like, "Word", "Excel", "Access", etc.

This is certainly not a "hot priority" but it just hit me as I did a post with a PDF and MS-Word document as attachments and the Word file is with the docx extension that's been used since Word 2007.
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moderated Re: "Mute this Thread" on Web Interface?

 

Yes, of course I was referring to the mentioned email difference. I haven't looked at the web controls in awhile.

J

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 09:47 am, J_Catlady wrote:
I haven't followed this closely but I do remember that there were some differences discussed between the digest and individual email versions re "follow" etc. Could that be it?

That might explain the changes in the email versions, but it doesn't explain the disappearance of the web controls.  For someone who's a dual user I can see why they really might want to be able to mute threads to prevent them from coming to their digests or as individual e-mail messages (if their on a "get 'em all" subscription) whether or not muting does anything other than place an icon in front of a thread title in the web interface itself.

In looking at the advanced options I only see a way to trigger following (or automatic following) of threads you originate or threads to which you've responded.  There are lots of occasions where one might want to be "a lurker" on a thread that has high interest but on which one is not an active participant.  It appears one could do this under some circumstance based on Frances' message, but not in others based on my prior message - and that's in the e-mail interface.

Things are very, very muddy at the moment. 
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moderated Re: "Mute this Thread" on Web Interface?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 09:47 am, J_Catlady wrote:
I haven't followed this closely but I do remember that there were some differences discussed between the digest and individual email versions re "follow" etc. Could that be it?

That might explain the changes in the email versions, but it doesn't explain the disappearance of the web controls.  For someone who's a dual user I can see why they really might want to be able to mute threads to prevent them from coming to their digests or as individual e-mail messages (if their on a "get 'em all" subscription) whether or not muting does anything other than place an icon in front of a thread title in the web interface itself.

In looking at the advanced options I only see a way to trigger following (or automatic following) of threads you originate or threads to which you've responded.  There are lots of occasions where one might want to be "a lurker" on a thread that has high interest but on which one is not an active participant.  It appears one could do this under some circumstance based on Frances' message, but not in others based on my prior message - and that's in the e-mail interface.

Things are very, very muddy at the moment. 
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A lot of what appears to be progress is just so much technological rococo.  ~ Bill Gray


moderated Re: Printing Databases

Tami D <artfulmuze@...>
 

There are some people elderly in our group who aren’t good with computers at all and wouldn’t understand what you just said.
A "Print table" button is what they're used to and anything more difficult then that is hard for them.
I just copied and pasted into Word to print but even that is hard for some.
:-)

Tami Davis
artfulmuze@gmail.com


I use the Export Table button to get a csv file, save to my pc with csv extension, then open it with Open Office Calc (spreadsheet - free) to print. This works best for me so I can get everything at once on a large database. I can also rearrange the column sorting before printing.


moderated Re: "Mute this Thread" on Web Interface?

 

I haven't followed this closely but I do remember that there were some differences discussed between the digest and individual email versions re "follow" etc. Could that be it?

J

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Frances,

          Thanks for this info.  It gets curiouser and curiouser since this is what shows up in my e-mail at the end of a message, and this one was sent yesterday when I switched over to getting every message that came to the group for a short period of time:

Notice that I have no "Follow This Topic" link while you have no "Mute this Topic" link.  Of course, you offering and mine are applicable only to the e-mail interface.

Unfortunately any of the screen shots I've taken over the months when doing web-interface related testing were long ago deleted.  I could have sworn that "Mute this Topic" and, possibly, "Follow this Topic" (on that I'm less sure) were buttons placed below the main message body tex box over near where the "Private" button is shown if you're composing, but they only showed when reading.

It also, now that I think of it, makes little sense to organize Mute or Follow management outside the group level.  I knew there was somewhere I could look up threads I'd muted in the past, but it was so long since I was doing that to test that I could not for the life of me find that, either, because a placement in "Your Groups", "Manage my subscriptions" places this so distant and so deep from the usual interaction space, which is the messages view in the web interface, that unless you were to be using this constantly it's completely unintuitive to look there.

An additional control in the control strip at the upper left such as "Muted or Followed Threads" would be much more obvious if one wished to deal with either for a given group.  Even better, in my opinion, would be to have the Mute and Follow buttons be toggles such that if you were reading a followed thread via the web the button would be "Unfollow this topic" or if you chose to open a thread you'd muted it would be "Unmute this Thread."   Thread muting makes a lot less sense in the web interface than the e-mail interface simply because one can easily just not open topics one has determined one wishes to avoid.  That's not possible in the e-mail interface, particularly if you go the digest route, without the ability to mute.


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Brian

A lot of what appears to be progress is just so much technological rococo.  ~ Bill Gray



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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

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moderated Re: "Mute this Thread" on Web Interface?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Frances,

          Thanks for this info.  It gets curiouser and curiouser since this is what shows up in my e-mail at the end of a message, and this one was sent yesterday when I switched over to getting every message that came to the group for a short period of time:

Notice that I have no "Follow This Topic" link while you have no "Mute this Topic" link.  Of course, you offering and mine are applicable only to the e-mail interface.

Unfortunately any of the screen shots I've taken over the months when doing web-interface related testing were long ago deleted.  I could have sworn that "Mute this Topic" and, possibly, "Follow this Topic" (on that I'm less sure) were buttons placed below the main message body tex box over near where the "Private" button is shown if you're composing, but they only showed when reading.

It also, now that I think of it, makes little sense to organize Mute or Follow management outside the group level.  I knew there was somewhere I could look up threads I'd muted in the past, but it was so long since I was doing that to test that I could not for the life of me find that, either, because a placement in "Your Groups", "Manage my subscriptions" places this so distant and so deep from the usual interaction space, which is the messages view in the web interface, that unless you were to be using this constantly it's completely unintuitive to look there.

An additional control in the control strip at the upper left such as "Muted or Followed Threads" would be much more obvious if one wished to deal with either for a given group.  Even better, in my opinion, would be to have the Mute and Follow buttons be toggles such that if you were reading a followed thread via the web the button would be "Unfollow this topic" or if you chose to open a thread you'd muted it would be "Unmute this Thread."   Thread muting makes a lot less sense in the web interface than the e-mail interface simply because one can easily just not open topics one has determined one wishes to avoid.  That's not possible in the e-mail interface, particularly if you go the digest route, without the ability to mute.


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Brian

A lot of what appears to be progress is just so much technological rococo.  ~ Bill Gray


moderated Re: Printing Databases

Duane
 

I use the Export Table button to get a csv file, save to my pc with csv extension, then open it with Open Office Calc (spreadsheet - free) to print. This works best for me so I can get everything at once on a large database. I can also rearrange the column sorting before printing. There have been a few glitches when using special characters, like ¢. You should be able to use Excel, if you have it, the same way.

Duane


moderated Re: "Mute this Thread" on Web Interface?

Duane
 

I think some buttons on some pages may have gotten "lost" during the recent spate of changes. The only way I've found recently online to Follow or Mute is to go through the overview page, https://groups.io/topics, click on a topic, then use the buttons at the top of the screen. I do think these would be best served in the More menu.

Duane


moderated Re: "Mute this Thread" on Web Interface?

Frances
 

Hi Brian,

I only see how to “follow” in my email. (MacOS Sierra). Same on my iPhone.

I can see previously muted threads on the website in Your Groups, Manage My Subscriptions. 

But not sure how I can add new “muted” threads.

Frances


On Dec 6 16, at 10:55 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Where does this hide now?

I would have presumed under the "More" button but the only thing that's coming up when I press it is two report options.

I am not seeing any intuitively obvious way to mute a thread and it's been a very long time since I even looked at doing so.  It seems to me this was quite obvious the last time I did this and it seems to have vanished.
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moderated Printing Databases

Tami D <artfulmuze@...>
 

Good morning,
 We're moving our Yahoo group over to IO this week. We've been testing a group for about a month now and I believe it will solve a lot of problems we've been having over at Yahoo.

We're an art trading group so we use our databases and photos more then anything. 
One thing we've found is that we can't print the database as it shows up on screen unless we copy and paste it into a Word document. Some people are not happy with that. They like the one click, print button ability.
Exporting the database, doesn’t keep things in nice, neat columns so that isn’t an option.

We'd like to see the ability to print the databases as they appear online in the future. 

Thanks so much for such a great group site. :-)

Tami Davis


moderated Re: "Mute this Thread" on Web Interface?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Related to this there is no obvious way to follow a thread that one may not have started or replied to, and the options to do that are buried under "Advanced Preferences".

There really should be a "Mute Topic" and "Follow Topic" that is available on each and every message you can read via the web interface.  These could easily be placed under the "More" button.  In the e-mail interface, which I was doing a test with yesterday, a "Mute this Topic" link is provided, but no "Follow this Topic" link is present.  It only makes sense, particularly for those who may receive only digests as their usual delivery, to specifically follow a topic which would result in individual e-mail messages being sent for a followed topic separately from the digest. 
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Brian

A lot of what appears to be progress is just so much technological rococo.  ~ Bill Gray


moderated "Mute this Thread" on Web Interface?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Where does this hide now?

I would have presumed under the "More" button but the only thing that's coming up when I press it is two report options.

I am not seeing any intuitively obvious way to mute a thread and it's been a very long time since I even looked at doing so.  It seems to me this was quite obvious the last time I did this and it seems to have vanished.
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Brian

A lot of what appears to be progress is just so much technological rococo.  ~ Bill Gray


moderated Re: Group where questions about how things work under Groups.io should be asked?

 

Brian,

And by that, I mean "should work under normal circumstances that I'm
unsure about." It seems to me that quite a while back a group was
formed for that sort of question asking, and if that's where this kind
of stuff should be asked I don't want to "pollute" beta with questions
of that nature.
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum

Those are cited on the beta@ home page, in case you ever need to find them again.



Shal


moderated Group where questions about how things work under Groups.io should be asked?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

And by that, I mean "should work under normal circumstances that I'm unsure about."  It seems to me that quite a while back a group was formed for that sort of question asking, and if that's where this kind of stuff should be asked I don't want to "pollute" beta with questions of that nature.

Any pointer to that group?
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Brian

A lot of what appears to be progress is just so much technological rococo.  ~ Bill Gray


moderated Re: make autolock and automoderate not act again on topics specifically unlocked/unmoderated #suggestion

 

Right, I don't see any obvious problem with implementing it, either. I do see a potential social problem, which is that I think the original intention of autolock was to prevent threads from going on and on ad infinitum. However, I see the autolock value as being more in preventing a dead topic to suddenly bounce back because someone was out of the loop and wants to jump in after everything has been more or less agreed on. I think as along as the topic is alive it shouldn't be autolocked, unless of course it's out of control, in which case it's easy for the moderator to lock it (similar for moderated).

(Yes, I have automoderate already set to a smaller timeframe. But that does nothing to solve this issue, which is that once a topic gets either locked or moderated, that's it. Bringing it back is like trying to bring a zombie back to life; it doesn't last.)

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moderated Re: make autolock and automoderate not act again on topics specifically unlocked/unmoderated #suggestion

Duane
 

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 10:47 am, J_Catlady wrote:


One way this could work is to make the autolock/automoderate act according to
the LAST (rather than first) date a topic was posted to.
I think this is the way an auto lock/delete works on a hashtag now, though not sure it's intentional, so it may not be too difficult to implement? The settings description could be changed to "Topics Older Than xx days from last post". If one needed to be locked/moderated before that, it could be done manually.

Could you maybe set the auto moderate to a smaller number of days than the auto lock for it to work as is? That should keep it available for posting, but limit what gets added.

Duane


moderated Re: make autolock and automoderate not act again on topics specifically unlocked/unmoderated #suggestion

 

One way this could work is to make the autolock/automoderate act according to the LAST (rather than first) date a topic was posted to.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

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moderated make autolock and automoderate not act again on topics specifically unlocked/unmoderated #suggestion

 

Last night I unlocked and unmoderated an autolocked/automoderated topic, and found that this morning, it had been autolocked and automoderated again. I think the mechanism goes in every 24 hours and acts on any topics older than the specified dates. But perhaps if the moderator unlocks and/or unmoderates it, it should stay that way. In my group's case, I unlocked the topic for a specific reason and wanted people to be able to post to it again. Unfortunately, they were not able to, and I found that out only much later. Can this feasibly be changed, or should it?
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

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moderated Re: Cannot Delete Group #bug

 

Hi Armando,

Please send an email to support@groups.io with the name of the group you're trying to delete.

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 2:21 AM, Armando <armando.l.vias@...> wrote:
When I try to delete a group, I cannot delete it. What's going on?

Sent from my iPhone 6s





moderated Cannot Delete Group #bug

Armando <armando.l.vias@...>
 

When I try to delete a group, I cannot delete it. What's going on?

Sent from my iPhone 6s

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