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locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

Judy F.
 

Brenda, we keep talking about a Database, then someone says something about Wiki.  What are we really talking about?  I’m used to the database feature in Yahoo Groups.  Is that what you are wanting?  If yes, I’m for it also since a lot of the sewing/quilting/embroidery groups use the database feature to get information from their members.  Example: I have a database set up for members to provide their name, location, type of machine they have, what embroidery programs they have.  This helps others if they need to contact someone that has a machine that they do. 

 

Same with Polls.  There hasn’t been much talk about those either.

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Feathered Leader [mailto:featheredleader@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 11:34 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestions

 

Mark,

I've been in touch with the young people who had the 130,000 member network that they wound up deleting on Yahoo. They were unable to use it anymore because NEO had screwed up the database.

These kids, teenagers and twenty-somethings, had a network across the continent, and mobilized in the thousands against Yahoo NEO when it hit. I do not know if they understand how to use a wiki, but I do know that if you agree to implement a database feature, that is what they need the most.

They used the database feature to help each other with homework, set things up like vents and tutoring, keep records, and more. Losing the database pretty much crippled their groups. Having a new place to come and use, that includes a database feature would be just what they need.

And they aren't the only ones...I can get you a lot of people whose groups were ruined because of the database being broken in Yahoo.

Maybe you could start a database poll in here or something, but I assure you, the biggest deal breaker for people wanting to leave Yahoo, was there was no database offeredI hope

I hope that you will take this under serious consideration.

Thanks,

Brenda


locked The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 
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Mark,

I've been in touch with the young people who had the 130,000 member network that they wound up deleting on Yahoo. They were unable to use it anymore because NEO had screwed up the database.

These kids, teenagers and twenty-somethings, had a network across the continent, and mobilized in the thousands against Yahoo NEO when it hit. I do not know if they understand how to use a wiki, but I do know that if you agree to implement a database feature, that is what they need the most.

They used the database feature to help each other with homework, set things up like events and tutoring, keep records, and more. Losing the database pretty much crippled their groups. Having a new place to come and use, that includes a database feature would be just what they need.

And they aren't the only ones...I can get you a lot of people whose groups were ruined because of the database being broken in Yahoo.

Maybe you could start a database poll in here or something, but I assure you, the biggest deal breaker for people wanting to leave Yahoo, was there was no database feature offered.

I hope that you will take this under serious consideration.

Thanks,

Brenda


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

Linda
 

Hi Trish,
I also have files that automatically are sent out when new members join, in addition to the welcome message. I hope Mark will add that.

As far as your need for scheduled files "once a week, once a month, once a year, or on a certain date", the calendar on Groups.io makes that possible.

Linda


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

 

Duane - This was discussed earlier as there were others with the same concern. The discussion seemed to lead to the recommendation that there be a setting for individual members that could be turned on so that attachments over a certain size would be replaced with a link on the message that would take the reader to the attachment. - Dano


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

 

I need something that repeats on certain cycles unrelated to the Welcome, Pending, Goodbye and Banned features.

Yes, I'd be curious to know how it works for people still on dial up. I have one member in a rural area who can't get a faster internet speed in her area.

Trish

On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
I'm sure the scheduled messages have been discussed, but I don't think an attachment was mentioned.  There are currently options for Welcome, Pending, Goodbye, and Banned.  If it were me, it would contain a link to the file on the group, especially if it's very large.  I have several members still on dialup, so I try to minimize message size.  (side note:  Has anyone else tried to access NEO on dialup? ;>)

Duane








locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

Duane
 

I'm sure the scheduled messages have been discussed, but I don't think an attachment was mentioned. There are currently options for Welcome, Pending, Goodbye, and Banned. If it were me, it would contain a link to the file on the group, especially if it's very large. I have several members still on dialup, so I try to minimize message size. (side note: Has anyone else tried to access NEO on dialup? ;>)

Duane


locked Suggestion for files settings

 

I don't know if this has been mentioned by anyone yet, but it would be a useful feature for my groups.

When uploading files, I'd like to have the ability to have that file be sent to to the group members automatically periodically. For example, once a week, once a month, once a year, or on a certain date. 

I'd also like an option to send it to them when they join the group for something other than the generic groups.io welcome message. I have several different files that go out to new members.

Thanks
Trish


locked Re: Wiki

Frances
 

Hi

Mark fixed this a couple of weeks ago.

Frances

On Jan 24 15, at 6:27 PM, dalemonator@... wrote:

Ooops!  I'm dumb.  Turns out the wiki totally accepts drag and drop images.  Works very nicely, and they can be resized easily.   It didn't when I first tried it, but works fine when I tried it on a different computer.  Thanks Mark!


locked Re: Wiki

RS
 

Ooops!  I'm dumb.  Turns out the wiki totally accepts drag and drop images.  Works very nicely, and they can be resized easily.   It didn't when I first tried it, but works fine when I tried it on a different computer.  Thanks Mark!


locked Re: Group transfers feedback so far

RS
 

"(this reminds me of a future feature I'd like to add, something that helps people create summaries of threads)"

Missed this before, but it sounds very interesting.  Seems like it would be quite useful to some of the type sof groups I have been in.


locked Re: accessing groups.io

 

Hi John,

Thank you for commenting.  I am more familiar with the Mac than I am with the PC, although, I can handle Windows XP, to a certain extent.  I will pass along your suggestion. 


If there are any groups.io users who use the Google Chrome browser with Window 8.1, I hope you will also pass along any helpful tips.


Donna





locked Re: cover photo

 

Thanks for that explanation, Shal. I have no knowledge of how many pixels there
are across the screen of a smart phone or tablet, and assumed it must be fairly
large to be useable. From what you say, it seems that's not the case. (I don't
have either.)

I must admit I've always taken it for granted that anyone can easily resize or
crop an image in readily available free image processing software, and that
that would be even more likely to be the case for a group owner than for the
average user, but no doubt, as you say, there are some who can't.

Why anyone should be bothered by variable blank space beside an image I totally
fail to understand, but having the image big enough to be visible on a big
screen and small enough to go on the screen without significant sideways
scrolling on a small one certainly makes sense.

Jim

On 23 Jan 2015 at 12:03, Shal Farley wrote:

Jim,

> I don't understand why there's any need for width matching or any
> other processing of cover photos.

I don't speak for Mark, but is usually done because every member's
window might be a different width, and modern design sensibilities abhor
having variable blank space around a fixed size image. And a fixed size
image is inevitably a screen hog on one's mobile device but a postage
stamp on another's large-screen monitor.

> Why not just let people upload images as they like, and display them
> as sent, possibly with an option to have them aligned left, centre or
> right (with centre as the default). Obviously some people will need
> guidance as to what size is reasonable in term of pixels so they show
> sensibly on different screen widths, ...

Those are additional complications. It isn't "simple and easy to use" if
you have to tell the user to pre-process the image into a certain pixel
size. Many users aren't proficient with any image editing tools.

What might be nice is an uploader that allows the user to upload any
image and see a "live" preview that allows the user to zoom and pan the
image within a rectangle representing the cover image display. In other
words, provide a simple size and crop tool. Maybe it needs both a "max"
and a "min" rectangle: always crop down to the max, but never crop
smaller than the min. Then users with a logo or other specific art can
use the min rectangle to ensure that the important part of the image shows.

What I suggested was a lot simpler (for Mark, but maybe not for the
user): a simple checkbox that's useful for users that have a logo or
otherwise fully prepared image, but not too helpful for a user with a
photo of which they'd like to use only a portion.

And note that none of this required the user to think about pixel sizes:
the pixels would be resampled automatically as needed to fit the
selected portion of the image into the display window.

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locked Re: Wiki

RS
 

I think a dedicated database section is best as well.  In addition to it's popularity and familiarity, the tools that can be leveraged in a database-exclusive section would not be restricted by any wiki-related considerations, which would make both features more flexible.  I personally don't need sortable tables in a wiki, though it's a fun idea.  If I needed that level of power in relation to a group wiki, then inserting a link on the wiki page to the relevant group database page would be just fine. Since links can already be set to open in new windows, no back and forth navigation is required of the user. Easy enough.

Another thought is that while "wiki" conveys a clear idea of the concept you are aiming for, it also carries certain expectations with it, such as a certain style of edit history, markups, etc. It may also carry stigma for users who wouldn't know how to code one, expecting more difficulty than WYSIWYG. I would prefer to see the WYSIWYG interface retained if possible, as it is much easier to work with.  Perhaps what you are really making with this section is not a true "wiki", and should thus have a different name?  Its "wiki-esque", but regular wiki admins may be disappointed that the regular markup features aren't there. I think for example that Google Groups calls their version "pages", if I recall correctly.  Similar functions to a wiki, but all wysiwyg.  

It's a new animal, you can give it a new cage. :)

I would also agree the wiki would work fine as a "links" area, and offers a more versatile way to display *some* data in tables, but ultimately, from what you describe, it sounds like it's going to create undesirable work and possibly restrictions on both features, and so the better power lies in separation. At least for now.  

As for my own usage needs, I am just waiting to be able to insert pictures in the wiki section.  That will be all the toy I need for some time.

Thanks for all your thoughtful work on this.


locked Re: Wiki

Duane
 

Besides having a way to revert to a previous version of a Wiki page, I feel that having changes be moderated might prevent some problems. Many folks aren't familiar with how a wiki works, including me, and could make a mess or delete a lot of work accidentally. Being able to compare the pending revision to the existing page would be important.

I'd much rather have Databases be a separate area. I don't think I'd have any trouble using wiki pages to set up links.

Duane


locked Re: Easy yahoo group transfer instructions

ro-esp
 

6a. Easy yahoo group transfer instructions
From: Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 13:58:43 PST

All,

I've just put up a draft of the instructions for how the easy Yahoo Groups
transfer will go:

https://groups.io/static/transfer

Please let me know what you think. Are the instructions clear? Am I missing
anything?
"You have been subscribed to the new group using your Yahoo account settings"

They are not "Yahoo-account settings". They are..well.. message delivery preferences like you (=user) used them in the yahoogroup.

The rest looks pretty solid to me

groetjes, Ronaldo



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locked Re: Group transfers feedback so far

Duane
 

On a somewhat related item, YG has/had a setting to disallow invitations. I think this could be useful at times. The invitation and add functions should be separate options.

Duane


locked Re: Beta Digest

ro-esp
 

3a. RE: [beta] Replying to messages
Judy:

Mark, will replying in the reply box allow that reply to show at the top
of the message or do you at least have an option?
As much as I hate that, I don't think it can be banned without pissing off a load of people who prefer it that way

From: CatWoman <diana@catsandme.net>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 08:01:53 PST

On 1/22/2015 10:39 PM, J. Faulkner wrote:
It allows me to reply at the top so when someone reads my reply, they
see it first and don?t have to hunt for it further down in the message.
If you are talking about a message - and "top posting" - I disagree.

I know that is the "new way" - most mail clients have the default as
top posting, but my problem with that is that in order to find out
what the person is replying to - I have to go search the message.

If you put just the specific thing you are responding to on top,
then you read that first, and then the response, as you see here.

It's a more natural way to read than response first.
Yes, and that's why I request an (optional!!) autotrim-feature like some googlegroups have. It simply deletes everything under the last unindented line, before the message is sent. Ideally (....) the cursor would be positioned at the start of the first written line UNDER the " at date and time, userxy@domain.pq sent:"



From: Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 10:04:20 PST
Reply directly to the sender
Obviously, having a button to reply to sender and another one to reply-to-list should be the default-setting.

When clicking on reply, possibly scroll up slightly to expose the reply box.
Sounds fancy, not urgent

groetjes, Ronaldo


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locked Re: POLL: Change Archives to Messages?

ro-esp
 

Sure


Having a poll-feature would be nice too


locked Re: Moderation issues & is it a bug? #bug

 

On 24 January 2015 at 02:20, Cacky B <cackyb@...> wrote:
I had the same problem.  Click on the member's name or the email address.
Cacky

On 1/23/2015 5:47 PM, Knytt Wytch wrote:
Mark,I may be daft but I can't see how to make a member a moderator


On 23 January 2015 at 23:46, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...> wrote:

Last night I used the new button for approve post and unmoderate member in MMSanctuary. However, when I went to the member's details, they were still on moderation and I had to manually unmoderate the member.

Is this a bug or was it just not working yet?

 It's definitely working. I think I see the instance where you tried to use it. For some reason it didn't think the subscriber was on modified status. I've added more logging and will track it..

Also, is it possible to separate the two moderator privileges "Modify Group Settings" & "Delete Group?"

Added to the todo list.

Thanks,
Mark 





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locked Re: Cover photo

Linda
 

Hi Mark,
I'd prefer the image centered over the text below it.
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/1A-Travelzine

I think Message History is knocking the page out of whack. Can you put the cells closer together so the width is the same as the text above?

Since "It doesn't rely on a specific image size", you'll want to change the upload instructions on this page.
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/GROUPNAME/coverphoto

Thanks,
Linda