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Re: Easy yahoo group transfer instructions
Cacky B
This looks good to me. I'm anxious to read what others like or
dislike about it.
Cacky On 1/23/2015 3:58 PM, Mark Fletcher
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Re: Bugs or Suggestions?
#bug
#suggestion
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...> wrote:
I've added this to the todo list.
When viewing a thread, at the top right is a 'Edit Thread' button that will let you edit the subject line/change options.
Not yet implemented. Thanks, Mark
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Easy yahoo group transfer instructions
All, I've just put up a draft of the instructions for how the easy Yahoo Groups transfer will go: Please let me know what you think. Are the instructions clear? Am I missing anything? Thanks, Mark
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Re: New Subscription Options
Mark,
So, if in Message Selection, I have All Messages checked, you thinkCorrect. It also supports Brenda's use case of collecting all messages in email (as a personal archive) but using the web features (Inbox, Followed Threads) for day-to-day reading. ... and made the whole Message Selection area a collapsed advancedI like that a lot better than having an option hiding somewhere in one's profile, or worse in the group's settings. Another idea, rather than the Advanced Options opener, might be to insert a block of introductory text as the first element in Message Selection, above the All Messages selection. You could use it to promote the feature while simultaneously labeling it as advanced. For example: "This is an advanced feature unique to Groups.io but modeled on web-based forums. With this option you can limit your email traffic to just the topic threads or subject #Hashtags you are interested in. Leave this set to the default, "All Messages", if you prefer standard mailing list behavior." -- Shal
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Re: POLL: Change Archives to Messages?
I vote yes. Messages makes more sense. When I think of Archives, I think of something in storage, historical documents, and such.
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Re: New Subscription Options
Shal, On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
Trying to wrap my head around things. Let me see if I have it correct: So, if in Message Selection, I have All Messages checked, you think that I should also be able to check Auto Follow Replies. The reasons being: if I've muted a hashtag, I'll still want to see any threads with that hashtag that I've replied in. Also, it's a way to quickly see on the web which threads I've participated in, by just looking at the Followed Threads tab. Is that correct? I've updated https://groups.io/static/newsubpage , breaking out auto follow replies into it's own thing, and made the whole Message Selection area a collapsed advanced options area. Let me know what you think. Thanks, Mark
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Re: cover photo
Why not just let people upload images as they like, and displayI think Jim and Shal's idea is reasonable and worth trying. I use a full width graphic that includes the group name and the current shifting size causes problems at the top and edges. I would also like to see the option of the name overlaying the graphic be changed to transparent or not shown, since it is extraneous to my group header. Please see https://groups.io/org/groupsio/MILW to understand the situation I'm talking about. Dano
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Re: POLL: Change Archives to Messages?
Should we change the name Archives to Messages?I think is is clearer to the typical group users. - Dano
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Re: cover photo
Judy F.
Shal, just about anything is better than having to figure out if the image
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will fit, find out it doesn't and have to try again. I finally had to have a friend of mine that is very good with Paint Shop Pro to fix the image for my group so it looked right. This has really been a sore point with a lot of Yahoo owners/moderators trying to resize so it meets the criteria. Judy F. SW Florida - USA
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From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@roadrunner.com] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 3:04 PM To: beta@groups.io Subject: Re: [beta] Re: cover photo Jim, > I don't understand why there's any need for width matching or any > other processing of cover photos. I don't speak for Mark, but is usually done because every member's window might be a different width, and modern design sensibilities abhor having variable blank space around a fixed size image. And a fixed size image is inevitably a screen hog on one's mobile device but a postage stamp on another's large-screen monitor. > Why not just let people upload images as they like, and display them > as sent, possibly with an option to have them aligned left, centre or > right (with centre as the default). Obviously some people will need > guidance as to what size is reasonable in term of pixels so they show > sensibly on different screen widths, ... Those are additional complications. It isn't "simple and easy to use" if you have to tell the user to pre-process the image into a certain pixel size. Many users aren't proficient with any image editing tools. What might be nice is an uploader that allows the user to upload any image and see a "live" preview that allows the user to zoom and pan the image within a rectangle representing the cover image display. In other words, provide a simple size and crop tool. Maybe it needs both a "max" and a "min" rectangle: always crop down to the max, but never crop smaller than the min. Then users with a logo or other specific art can use the min rectangle to ensure that the important part of the image shows. What I suggested was a lot simpler (for Mark, but maybe not for the user): a simple checkbox that's useful for users that have a logo or otherwise fully prepared image, but not too helpful for a user with a photo of which they'd like to use only a portion. And note that none of this required the user to think about pixel sizes: the pixels would be resampled automatically as needed to fit the selected portion of the image into the display window. -- Shal
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Re: POLL: Change Archives to Messages?
Judy F.
Yes.
Thank you.
Judy F. SW Florida - USA
From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Should we change the name Archives to Messages?
Thanks, Mark
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Re: POLL: Change Archives to Messages?
That sounds like a good alternative. I think I'd like Message Archives a bit better. Gee, too bad there's not a POLL function on this site. (VBG)
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Re: cover photo
Jim,
I don't understand why there's any need for width matching or anyI don't speak for Mark, but is usually done because every member's window might be a different width, and modern design sensibilities abhor having variable blank space around a fixed size image. And a fixed size image is inevitably a screen hog on one's mobile device but a postage stamp on another's large-screen monitor. Why not just let people upload images as they like, and display themThose are additional complications. It isn't "simple and easy to use" if you have to tell the user to pre-process the image into a certain pixel size. Many users aren't proficient with any image editing tools. What might be nice is an uploader that allows the user to upload any image and see a "live" preview that allows the user to zoom and pan the image within a rectangle representing the cover image display. In other words, provide a simple size and crop tool. Maybe it needs both a "max" and a "min" rectangle: always crop down to the max, but never crop smaller than the min. Then users with a logo or other specific art can use the min rectangle to ensure that the important part of the image shows. What I suggested was a lot simpler (for Mark, but maybe not for the user): a simple checkbox that's useful for users that have a logo or otherwise fully prepared image, but not too helpful for a user with a photo of which they'd like to use only a portion. And note that none of this required the user to think about pixel sizes: the pixels would be resampled automatically as needed to fit the selected portion of the image into the display window. -- Shal
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Re: POLL: Change Archives to Messages?
Yes please. Robert Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the O2 network.
Should we change the name Archives to Messages?
Thanks, Mark
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Re: POLL: Change Archives to Messages?
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I vote yes - Messages. Clearer than Archives. It is familiar - YahooGroups uses Messages within the body of the page, as in “3 messages added in the last 7 days” and “New Messages”. Not “Conversations” which YG uses for its dropdown menu. Frances
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POLL: Change Archives to Messages?
Should we change the name Archives to Messages? Thanks, Mark
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Re: Lightweight "integrations" - link only
#suggestion
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:42 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
I've had this thought as well. I'll add it to the list. Thanks, Mark
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Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...> wrote:
This is going to get a little technical. Every email has a unique 'message-id'. This is just a long string of characters, and the hope is that it's unique in all the world. It's generated by your email client or email server. When replying to a message, the message-id of the email you're replying to is included in the headers of your email. That's how email clients know one message is a reply to another message. If someone then replies to your reply, they will have your message-id in the header to their message, and so on. But they will also generally include the message-id of the original email in the headers as well. You end up with a chain of message-ids. If you view the headers for an email, this is the 'References:' line. One other thing to note, emails can arrive out of order. We can get a reply to an email before we get the original email. So, if we get an email, with a message-id in the references list that we've never seen before, we think we've gotten an out of order reply, and that we should expect to see the original message at some point. We put a 'placeholder' message in the database that corresponds to this message we haven't seen before. It's empty, and it doesn't show up in archives, but it does have a message number. When we see the original message, we replace the placeholder with the original, and we're good. So, there may be cases where message numbers jump without someone having deleted a message. This should be very rare. What happened in this case is that Shal replied to an email in a different group. Therefore, his message had in the references a message-id that the group owlperch had never seen. We assumed we were seeing an out of order reply, and added a placeholder for the message we hadn't seen (and will never see, since it's from another group). So, things are working as designed. It does occur to me that I can make the algorithm a little less 'anal' which would prevent a message number jump in this instance. It would increase the change of weird threading behavior, but I think the chance of that happening would be small. More info than you wanted to know..... Mark
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Re: cover photo
I don't understand why there's any need for width matching or any other
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processing of cover photos. Why not just let people upload images as they like, and display them as sent, possibly with an option to have them aligned left, centre or right (with centre as the default). Obviously some people will need guidance as to what size is reasonable in term of pixels so they show sensibly on different screen widths, and there probably needs to be a file size limit. I think that's more or less what Shal is suggesting, isn't it? The coding should be a lot simpler than any width matching or other adjustments. Jim Fisher
On 22 Jan 2015 at 19:44, Feathered Leader wrote:
Shal wrote:>>Possibly add an option to disable the width matching so that --
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Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger
Mark:
John looked at my headers and stuff in Thunderbird. I DO have two copies from Shal, but I would not have noticed that because I was posting from the Owlperch web site. However, John discovered something else. Message # 43 is missing in Owlperch (and I didn't delete it), and it should have been there as my first reply to Shal, using the Web Interface. All of a sudden last night, when I replied, I noticed the message # had jumped from 40 something to a number over 1000. I knew that was weird, and that was how I noticed suddenly, my post was in Beta. Please help us figure out what happened, so we don't do it again. Thanks.
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Re: View options
Hi Dan, Yep, it's on the todo list. Thanks! Mark
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 7:25 AM, D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote: Brenda, I don't presume to know exactly what others intend. I find it much safer to offer my thoughts and observations and let Mark sort it out. I *have* checked his To Do list, and didn't find such a reference, so I offered it in writing. I'm sure Mark is much more familiar with what's in his list than we are, and it's possible I missed something, hence my apology if it was a repeat. -- Dano
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