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locked Re: text-messaging delivery option

Maria
 

Yes, you can do that with iphone mail too but if you designate as VIP you will only get notifications for that sender.

I was thinking about the text option (share Brian's concern about multipart messages) but also was wondering how you would know if the text was from an approved member? Obviously there must be a system that links the phone # to an email address and then converts it to an email (for sending a post via text?) or is this limited to just receiving a post on as a text and you can't reply back to it from there?

I am interested in this option (though not a priority)... but anything that increases ease of use is of interest to me. Just not clear how this would work.

Maria


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Brian,

I wouldn't want Groups.io messages via text either, personally. It was just something that occurred to me that Mark could productively (i.e., profitably;) offer at some point.
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Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Having used Android-powered phones for some years now I get a notification (or at least I can, and have kept the feature on) any time an e-mail message arrives for any one of the three accounts I have linked to my phone.  That notification behaves pretty much exactly like it does for a text/SMS except for the choice of notification sound.

Given that some people seem to very, very strongly prefer texting over e-mail I have no objection to the idea of sending messages via text, but that can also get really messy when it comes to long messages that will get split into heaven only knows how many separate texts (at least on a lot of existing hardware - I seem to recall that the old length-restrictions are disappearing or have already disappeared on some platforms).  I know my old flip phone (and, yes, I still have one) has long texts split into multiple separate messages.
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locked Re: Profiles

Maria
 

I may not be understanding the question (or maybe I am lost!) but I would think that no, the change in the main profile wouldn't trickle to the subgroup, in the same way that it shouldn't trickle to the main group. So, yes, I guess it would block the change on the subgroup?

Maria


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Jeff Powell <jrpstonecarver@...>
 

Hi Mark, Finally a chance to reply. In Bold Red below, again to make it easier to read, I hope.

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On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 11:52 am, Mark Fletcher wrote:

....(trimmed to reduce post length)...
And in light of that, as I type this right here and now, I can't find a way to get this new reply to be outside of the quoted text.

I thought I had fixed that. Hmm, apparently not. It's a bit tricky, so it may be a bit.

No worries, but I do look forward to a fix. Still can't get back to the left margin while answering here.  :)

Moving threads between subgroups is on the todo list and definitely something I want to happen sooner rather than later.


I look forward to seeing how that is implemented. For it to be useful, it will have to handle the case that someone replies to a thread that was in group A when they got the message, but is now in group B, and their reply would have to wind up in group B, properly threaded into place. Anything less means that there will be ongoing work - until a thread is closed - by the moderators moving messages around.
Do you anticipate the case where someone replies to an existing thread but edits the group and sends it to the wrong group? It seems like the main use case would be where someone starts a thread (and people start replying to it) in the wrong group. You'd want to move that thread to the correct group and have any further replies go to that group as well.

I think the specific case you mention will be rare, but it will happen eventually, if for no other reason then someone thinks they know what is right or deliberately tries to push the thread back to the original (or some other) group.

In our environment, if we ever use subgroups, we might have some named things like Mountainlion, HotTopics, Politics, and so on. And it is easy to imagine a thread that could go into any or all of those subgroups. I can readily imagine some enterprising user trying to force a message into a particular group by changing the TO address on his email when replying. Most of our users wouldn't try it, but I am sure it will happen eventually.

As you say, the most common use will be to keep all replies going to the place the moderators have decided a thread belongs, regardless of where it originally started, but the more devious case of someone trying to engineer a new location will come up.

Right. Happy to free up a group name at any time.

We'll ask for that if we need it. And that will depend on the implementation as mentioned above.  :)
As per Shal's suggestion, I've just changed it so that deleting subgroups frees up those names instantly.

Thanks. I'll send you a request to free up the one name, so we don't have to worry about it if we ever want to use it.
 
We're editing the wiki in HTML since that appears to have been the default. I've seen references to Markdown, but I just checked the settings page and saw nothing obvious as to how to change the setting from HTML to Markdown. I'll have to look around some more later today when I have more time. And thank you for images coming to the wiki eventually. That will be helpful in some small number of cases for us.
I've just added a dialog to the editor to let you easily link to other wiki pages. Hopefully that will help.

That's much appreciated! I still have to go looking for where we select between Markdown and HTML formatting in the wiki, alas. This is not a good week for me on the schedule front, but I'll get there.


 


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Well, you were planning to have some of the fields configurable for enterprise customers, so you could have the fields themselves filter down into groups rather than the entire profile. Then a group profile wouldn't override the main profile completely, just the fields that are different. That would allow a change to the main profile to a field not overridden by the group to be filtered down.

If it is a field overridden in the group profile, then that group override should be passed down to the subgroup, no matter what the main profile field is changed to. On the other hand, if that field filters down to the group, then it will also filter down to the subgroup, unless it is overridden there.

I would say this is too much work except that you were expecting to have that sort of granularity for the enterprise case, so you'd probably have to implement it that way anyway.

JohnF


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On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
Hi All,

A question about how profile fields filter down. Say you're a member of a group and one of its subgroups. You change a profile field on the parent group. That gets propagated to your profile on the subgroup. Then you change the same field on your 'main' profile. That won't get propagated to the parent group profile, because you specifically changed that field. But does it get propagated to the subgroup profile?

To clarify my question a tiny bit. I'm asking if the change on the parent group's field 'blocks' the change to the subgroup's field. Or if every subscription is considered by itself.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Profiles

Maria
 

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 05:16 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
But does it get propagated to the subgroup profile?

My first reaction is to say no. I'm feeling like the edits in profiles within a group/subgroup are one thing. Edits to the main profile are another?

Maria


locked Re: text-messaging delivery option

 

Maria,

I do use iPhone mail, and that's a great idea. But I think already my phone is "alerting" me to way too many things. : "Ding dong! your camera has detected a person in the bedroom." "Ding dong! Your camera THINKS it spotted a person in your bedroom." "Your camera has spotted your cat pooping" (kidding). etc. All I need is, "xyz disagrees with you on beta again."

Seriously, though. Good idea. Thanks. :-)

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locked Re: Profiles

 

Hi All,

A question about how profile fields filter down. Say you're a member of a group and one of its subgroups. You change a profile field on the parent group. That gets propagated to your profile on the subgroup. Then you change the same field on your 'main' profile. That won't get propagated to the parent group profile, because you specifically changed that field. But does it get propagated to the subgroup profile?

It's a bit of twisty little passages, all different....

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 5:50 PM, JohnF via Groups.io <johnf1686@...> wrote:
My opinion:

Have one main Groups.io profile, including the privacy option, that applies to all groups and subgroups.  If someone wants to be public in all groups, or private in all groups, that can easily be set.  You don't need a "viewable by group members and parent group members" option.

For each group and subgroup, default to the main profile, but allow an override for that group/subgroup only.  Every field, including the privacy field, can be overridden.  Subgroup profiles default to the group profile, unless they are overridden.  (Imagine inheritance in object-oriented programming, except without the ability to add more profile fields.)

Example: Say I have a normal firstname/lastname professional profile I use for a variety of groups, and I'd like it to be public.  However, one group I'm in is only for my college buddies, and I want to override my profile in that group to use my old nickname instead, and a possibly more embarrassing photo (but I don't want my public professional people to see that!).  My college group is also running a roleplaying adventure in a subgroup, and in that subgroup, I want my name to be my character's name, and I want my character's photo.

This implementation would also work for setting things up for anonymous groups, except the moderator would probably want an option to force a separate profile to be made, so that it does not default to the main profile.  That would prevent someone from accidentally posting something sketchy with their real name from another group attached.

Does this sound simpler?

JohnF





locked Re: text-messaging delivery option

Maria
 

J,

If you use iphone mail you can also make your group address a VIP contact and make sure you get homescreen notifications for VIP's. This way when a groups.io email comes in it will pop up on your homescreen- much like an alert or notification does.

Maria


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On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 1:20 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
It's just a random thought. :-)

Not difficult to do, but costs money, so it'd have to be part of a paid plan.

Mark 


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On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 07:28 am, HR Tech wrote:
I'm probably getting WAY ahead of myself here as we aren't really talking PM's yet.

A couple of us were urging PM'ing from other situations awhile back during the discussion about private replies, but it didn't seem to go anywhere. It would be an action on a profile name, wherever that profile name appeared: a message, a members list, the profile itself, etc. But since it's not here yet, worrying about it in relation to this proposed feature does seem a little premature. 
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It's just a random thought. :-)
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locked Re: Profiles

Maria
 

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 07:01 am, J_Catlady wrote:
I agree with Maria about the level playing field for the directory. Great idea. But how are you going to accomplish that? What's to prevent someone from going visible, having a quick peek, and then going invisible again?

True... But I guess I was not so bothered by idea of "peeking" for a few minutes - which I wouldn't mind... but about when/if the directory enables a direct PM. I'd think you'd need to a) give folks the option to disable being PM'd and b) ensure that anyone who PM's is viewable to the recipient at least? (although - you'd have their email address in your inbox at that point... but still). I'm probably getting WAY ahead of myself here as we aren't really talking PM's yet... but couldn't help but envision that scenario.  :)

Maria



locked Re: Profiles

Maria
 

Hmm, yes, i see your point. Maybe if the privacy settings are something you adjust per group/per subgroup and the settings you set up in the main group transfer over when you join a sub-group you could have:

- Profile public (anyone - even non members can see it)
- Profile viewable by members of this group only (whether it's a parent group or a subgroup it would be set in each one)
- Profile is private (but viewable by moderators/owners)

So you just wouldn't have the option to allow parent group members to see your profile in a subgroup they are not a part of - which i agree is weird anyway and probably confusing the scenarios as you may have set your profile to private for the main group... Am I missing something?

Maria





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I agree with Maria about the level playing field for the directory. Great idea. But how are you going to accomplish that? What's to prevent someone from going visible, having a quick peek, and then going invisible again?

For Mike's comment, members can make their profiles invisible to moderators in current system, right *now*, by simply not having a profile namez Not saying that's a good thing and probably should be eliminated. Just pointing it out again.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 13, 2016, at 5:16 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 04:28 am, Mike Fay wrote:
And we would never allow anyone in our group with a hidden main profile - to me that is an invitation to let in lurkers.

Agree, in the sense that while they may elect to not have a profile - they are required to have a display name... but I do think that the member directory should be a level playing field and if you can see it, then you either are participating in it or have very limited access to it and can't "use it".

Maria


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On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 07:03 pm, HR Tech wrote:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 05:50 pm, JohnF wrote:
You don't need a "viewable by group members and parent group members" option.
I think you actually do need that option if you are in a group that has
sub-groups. 
OK, rethinking this, without this option, that would make it impossible to have a sub-group profile that's public to main group members (who are not necessarily sub-group members) but your main group profile is private. It would be strange that someone would want to do that, though.

JohnF


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Maria
 

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 04:28 am, Mike Fay wrote:
And we would never allow anyone in our group with a hidden main profile - to me that is an invitation to let in lurkers.

Agree, in the sense that while they may elect to not have a profile - they are required to have a display name... but I do think that the member directory should be a level playing field and if you can see it, then you either are participating in it or have very limited access to it and can't "use it".

Maria


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Mike Fay <mikefay8888@...>
 

"If I'm understanding you correctly, this is exactly the scenario I outlined. :-) I do think you explain it better."
  What you are doing Mark- at least as explained by John, sounds good to me.
And we would never allow anyone in our group with a hidden main profile - to me that is an invitation to let in lurkers.
We do want the ability to make that profile visible only to group members, and to be able to add to or edit that profile within a subgroup
and for that edited profile to only be viewable by the subgroup members.
 
Mike Fay

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