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locked Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger

 

Brenda, Mark,

Shal...how did you get this post into Beta?
Darn good question.

I replied to your post, sending it to owlperch only I thought. But I received it back from both owlperch and beta. As apparently did you, and unfortunately you replied to the copy from beta. I'm leaving this reply in beta, as explanation and apology to the members of beta.

I can only imagine that somehow I got beta into the bcc field without noticing. But that idea is contradicted by my sent message - it has nothing in the bcc field.

This might be related to a couple of bounces I got earlier in the evening, complaining of a duplicate message:

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

beta@groups.io (reading confirmation): 500 Error: Duplicate message.
Arrival-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 06:49:37 +0000
Reporting-MTA: dns; cdptpa-oedge01

Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 06:49:37 +0000
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; web01.groups.io
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 500 Error: Duplicate message.
Final-Recipient: rfc822; beta@groups.io
Action: failed
Yet each of the two messages posted correctly (once) to beta.

I don't know if this happened at my outbound email service, or at Mark's inbound, or elsewise, but to everyone in both lists, I apologize for the confusion.

Time for bed I think.

-- Shal


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ro-esp
 

6g. Re: [beta] New Subscription Options
From: Frances <travel@tansymews.ca>

By workaround, I mean that Groups.io is not designed to feature posts on each groups home page.
makes sense. featuring posts would be limited to public groups

When you go to your group, you see this:
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta <https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta>

No actual posts are shown, just the top posters, the top hashtags, and the message history.
Can we opt out of those top-thingies? Discussing is not a contest, and neither a subject nor a poster is "more important" because of more prolific messages


However, I now see that Mark has put in a link to the archive (In box)
I agree with those who prefer the term "messages" to "archive".Please do NOT call it "conversations"

In the archive/messages I would prefer a chronological order, not newest on top.


As to the term "inbox".... I sincerely hope that is reserved for what I see in my email-account, and not used for anything on a iogroups-website

groetjes, Ronaldo

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http://www.esperanto.net http://www.moneyasdebt.net


locked Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger

Nightowl >8#
 

Shal...how did you get this post into Beta? I was reading Beta, and clicking next, and this was message 1097, but Owlperch doesn't have that many messages....

Owls are confused.... Did you copy it over to here to answer it, or is it somehow in both locations? If it's in both locations, show me how you did that?

Brenda


locked Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger

Nightowl >8#
 

Shal wrote:>>'m not them, but I think it is always permissible to bring your own documents (those that you created) to another site. Whether it is "doable" in the sense of "easy to accomplish" may be another matter entirely...<<

You can always weigh in on something I direct to others. :) Okay, so as long as we know it's not against Yahoo's TOS, we can do that. Duane and Matthew can probably figure out how. Thanks.

Shal wrote:>>I'll have to try it and see. I can copy the formatted text or the HTML code out of PBworks' wikis, but I haven't done much yet with Groups.io's wikis. It looks like one can only see the formatted text, but that may ok if that will paste sensibly into Wordpress or Neo.<<

Okay, next question on that, does Mark allow us to copy and transport data from a Wiki here to somewhere else? If so, that would be great, if we could get it maintained both here and the blog or group.

Shal wrote:>>Still haven't found the time to fold Duane's (updated) file into the Feature Comparison page Tyger put up at MMsanctuary. Been busy, and its looking like my weekend is going to be slammed too.<<

Believe me, I get it. I feel some nights like I just want to flop into bed and not move, but there's too much to get done before I can. Or if I don't do some things, I feel horribly guilty. I'm struggling to get a balance between myself/John, Parents, and Other. That's why I asked for feedback about how people feel because I can't be monitoring all of this all the time like I used to.

It's not any sort of rush, just wondering if we can do it. See, the main thing to do in MM is explain this to them, both in present feature mode, and future features mode.

Thanks Shal,

Brenda



locked Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger

 

Brenda,

Duane & Matthew,
What are the rules about bringing over documents, i.e. charts, files,
etc. we created on Yahoo to here? Is that doable, since we created them?
I'm not them, but I think it is always permissible to bring your own documents (those that you created) to another site. Whether it is "doable" in the sense of "easy to accomplish" may be another matter entirely...

Note that in Yahoo Groups' Guidelines it is all about permission:

5. Post your own content. Have the other group member's permissions
before re-posting their content. This goes for you too, moderators.

Can you transport a Wiki? Is there any way to get the table that Tyger
started in the Wiki on Sanctuary viewable on the Yahoo Crusade Blog, or
to Mods and Members?
I'll have to try it and see. I can copy the formatted text or the HTML code out of PBworks' wikis, but I haven't done much yet with Groups.io's wikis. It looks like one can only see the formatted text, but that may ok if that will paste sensibly into Wordpress or Neo.

Still haven't found the time to fold Duane's (updated) file into the Feature Comparison page Tyger put up at MMsanctuary. Been busy, and its looking like my weekend is going to be slammed too.

-- Shal


locked Re: Replying to messages

 

Judy,

Mark, will replying in the reply box allow that reply to show at the top
of the message or do you at least have an option?
Mark mentioned copying the original message's text into the reply as quoted text. But I don't see that on the published todo list.
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta/message/384

-- Shal


locked Re: Replying to messages

 

Mark,

I thought about having it automatically scroll a bit up to make sure the
reply box is in view, which I can do, but I'm not sure that's best.
I think scrolling it just enough to ensure that the screen changed somewhat would be helpful. Understanding that there's a danger of annoying the user by scrolling things they want to see off the other end, you wouldn't want to go too far with this.

Reason: early on there was a problem with Yahoo Neo where if a menu button was at the bottom of the screen the menu would open entirely off-screen. So the visual appearance was that the button had no effect whatsoever. Unless one happened to think of scrolling down. And just to double-down on the problem, the natural scrolling behavior as one moved from message to message put the row of action buttons for the next message right at the bottom of the screen. I wouldn't want the Reply to exhibit a similar usability fail.

-- Shal


locked Re: Replying to messages

 

Mark,

It's an artifact of HTML, where a return is treated as a paragraph
break.
That's not exactly HTML's fault.

I would think it is entirely up to the editor how it handles the Enter key. So, for example, the editor could tentatively insert a <br> with the first enter, then replace it with a </p><p> with the second enter. Or perhaps generally a </p><p> for each even number of enters plus a <br> for any odd remainder.

You can always switch to plaintext for your reply, if you're not going
to be including any formatting. Use the drop down selector at the bottom
right of the reply box to switch to plain text. At some point I'll make
that a preference you can set.
I'll like that.

-- Shal


locked Re: View options

Nightowl >8#
 

Dan,


I'm pretty sure that letting us set a default for message view is on his list of things to do. If it will help you out, here is where to see Mark's To Do list. :)

https://trello.com/b/qu3WgzVq/beta


Brenda


locked View options

 

Mark -
One more thing to mention that may already be on your list. If this is a duplication I apologize.

Will the Message View page on the individual group pages either remember what view was last used (Thread View, Message View, or Expanded Message View), or alternately, will we be able to select a default view for our own pages? As a group owner I like the Expanded Message view, but I can see where other members might like something different.

Dano


locked Re: New Subscription Options

Nightowl >8#
 

Shal wrote:>>Brenda, That's what I'm trying to do.
Under simple options, use these concepts:

Individual messages
Daily Digest
Special Notices
No Mail<<

Ah, sorry, I wasn't grasping that it was two different things. But it does help that the owners and moderators can change mail delivery options for members, because that is something we often have to do when they can't figure out what they want, or it somehow gets changed to something else.

Thanks, Shal.


locked Re: Replying to messages

Nightowl >8#
 

Yay! Thanks!

That's really nice, not having it jump up there to the top when we hit reply.

I know eventually, it will have auto-quote, but for now, the >> (text) << seem to be working ok. Copy, paste, and put it in between them. :)

Brenda


locked Starting a new thread and reading the web page view

 

When starting a new thread, it looks like the default is now HTML. It would be helpful if groups would remember your preferences for that group. I also try to open "Post" in a new window so as to not lose where I'm at in Message View.

I've been reading Beta from the web page. I find it's easy to jump between Message View and Expanded Message View. There are a couple things I would offer as suggestions, and I'm not sure if some of these might not already be on your to do list.

1) Reading with the newest at the top, I have to continually scroll down to find the message number I'm on. The message number might be more useful at the top of the message.

2) When trying to go back to where I left off, I have to scroll down to the bottom of the page to go back a page, and if I need to go back more than one page, I have to scroll down again. Can the page selection box be at both the top and the bottom of the page?

3) When I start a thread as the group owner, it shows up as coming from my own member identity instead of as coming from the group owner. There are times I really do need make it very plain to readers that I've put on the Group Owner hat and it's something serious. Very seldom do these need to be Special Notices.

As I noted, these may already be on the list.

Dano


locked Re: Replying to messages

Nightowl >8#
 

Wonderful! I just have to remember to click the Plain Text choice BEFORE I start typing, because if I do it in the middle, it adds all kinds of weird characters!


And yes, I would be thrilled if this could eventually be a defaulted option that I wouldn't have to change every time I reply. :)


This just gets better and better!


Brenda


locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

JohnF,

It's easier to understand that if you don't normally receive mail, but
there are a few types of message that you do want to receive in mail,
you Follow.
Precisely. You select "Following Only" and follow what you want.

In your choice of Individual or Digest (or Special Notices or No Email if you want to turn them off, say while you're on vacation).

If you normally receive mail, but there are a few types of messages that
you don't want, you Mute.
Precisely. You select "All Messages" and you mute what you don't want.

Same delivery options.

-- Shal


locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

Frances,

But I really don't want to lose the possibility of First Message Only.
Easy.

Select "Following Only" then check "First Message Also". Then if you don't explicitly follow any threads or hashtags you'll get only the first message of every thread.

-- Shal


locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

Brenda,

Give us simple options and advanced options.
That's what I'm trying to do.

Under simple options, use these concepts:

Individual messages
Daily Digest
Special Notices
No Mail
Got that, it isn't called "simple options", but those are the "Email Delivery" options on Mark's mock-up:
https://groups.io/static/newsubpage

If you adjust only that Option, leaving the other set to the default "All Messages", then you get the simple, Yahoo Groups-like behavior (assuming you don't mute any threads).

Under Advanced options:

The things you and Mark are describing about muted and followed stuff.
Exactly. Those are under "Message Selection".

The "Message Selection" options work subordinate to the "Email Delivery" options. Even if you use the Follow and Mute controls to limit the messages you receive, you receive them Individually, in a daily Digest, or not at all according to your Email Delivery selection.

-- Shal


locked Re: Message Numbers #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

Judy,

The date would not help people who read off and on all day long, so it would be the same date. I do fine with post numbers, like I said, that's how I always read my groups, but others are used to coming into a group and knowing what messages are "new."


Brenda


locked Re: New Subscription Options

Nightowl >8#
 

Frances wrote:>>However, I now see that Mark has put in a link to the archive (In box) on this Beta page right under the heading Group Information! Perhaps I will revamp mine to include a link in this area too!<<

Warning: That isn't always a link to the group.io group. In his case, yes, it is. But it's actually the link that you can add to your Groups description as a website link. In his case, it's his group. But if you check out mine:

https://groups.io/org/groupsio/MMsanctuary

Group Information

You'll see that the link is NOT to MMSanctuary, but to my Yahoo Crusade Blog. So you have to put in the link that you want to be there in that space in description of group. Understand?

Hope that helps!

Brenda



locked Re: Replying to messages

Judy F.
 

Mark, I hate to keep referring to Yahoo Groups, but since that’s my only example…….. Maybe we are talking about two different things. 

 

I view all of my messages in Outlook, but I click the ‘reply via web post’ option at the bottom of the message and actually reply on the group.  When I click Reply, I have the option to show history and I delete everything except the most recent message (to this specific message).  It allows me to reply at the top so when someone reads my reply, they see it first and don’t have to hunt for it further down in the message. 

 

Since on the beta group, I am replying directly from Outlook, my reply is always at the top.  Note I have Outlook set to reply at the top.  I’m sure you are wondering why I do it one way in Yahoo and another here.  The reason I do is because I don’t have the options at the bottom of each message here in groups.io that I do in Yahoo Groups. 

 

Also while I’m thinking about it, at some point will we have a cc and a bcc option in messages?  Also, would like to have an option to reply to sender only and not have it go to the group. 

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 1:27 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Replying to messages

 

Judy,

 

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 10:03 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

 

Also, I always want my replies to be at the top of the message.  If there are numerous replies, it gets confusing where the latest reply is if it’s at the bottom.. 

 

Are you referring to viewing a message thread, where the newer messages are at the bottom? You can re-sort it so that the newest messages are at the top, but clicking the little 1->9 arrow next to 'Date' in the top right of the page. Unfortunately, you'll have to do that for every thread right now, but it's on the todo list to have it remember your setting.

 

Mark