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locked Re: cover photo

 

I don't understand why there's any need for width matching or any other
processing of cover photos. Why not just let people upload images as they like,
and display them as sent, possibly with an option to have them aligned left,
centre or right (with centre as the default). Obviously some people will need
guidance as to what size is reasonable in term of pixels so they show sensibly
on different screen widths, and there probably needs to be a file size limit. I
think that's more or less what Shal is suggesting, isn't it? The coding should
be a lot simpler than any width matching or other adjustments.

Jim Fisher

On 22 Jan 2015 at 19:44, Feathered Leader wrote:

Shal wrote:>>Possibly add an option to disable the width matching so that
something like logo art can be used as the group's image, knowing that it will
be flanked with background color but without the danger of it being cropped.<<

Bingo. We need some sort of frame box, or colored background frame that we can
position the photo in anywhere, and make it work. I tried to make such a frame
on Owlperch but it even stretched the frame.

Making the cover photo much more simpler to put up and take down and switch is a
huge requirement for many Yahoo Groups. I hope we can find some sort of
compromise where it can be simpler.

Brenda
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locked Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark:

John looked at my headers and stuff in Thunderbird. I DO have two copies from Shal, but I would not have noticed that because I was posting from the Owlperch web site.

However, John discovered something else. Message # 43 is missing in Owlperch (and I didn't delete it), and it should have been there as my first reply to Shal, using the Web Interface. All of a sudden last night, when I replied, I noticed the message # had jumped from 40 something to a number over 1000. I knew that was weird, and that was how I noticed suddenly, my post was in Beta.

Please help us figure out what happened, so we don't do it again.

Thanks.


locked Re: View options

 

Hi Dan,

Yep, it's on the todo list.

Thanks!
Mark

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 7:25 AM, D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:
Brenda, I don't presume to know exactly what others intend. I find it much safer to offer my thoughts and observations and let Mark sort it out. I *have* checked his To Do list, and didn't find such a reference, so I offered it in writing. I'm sure Mark is much more familiar with what's in his list than we are, and it's possible I missed something, hence my apology if it was a repeat.  --  Dano







locked Re: Replying to messages

 

(Reply to several messages in this thread)

Several good ideas, I've updated the 'Messages and Archives' todo list with:

CC/BCC in Group Post
Reply directly to the sender
Link in message footer to 'Reply on the web'
Quote the original message in a reply
When clicking on reply, possibly scroll up slightly to expose the reply box

Thanks,
Mark

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 8:01 AM, CatWoman <diana@...> wrote:
On 1/22/2015 10:39 PM, J. Faulkner wrote:
It allows me to reply at the top so when someone reads my reply, they
see it first and don’t have to hunt for it further down in the message.

If you are talking about a message - and "top posting" - I disagree.

I know that is the "new way" - most mail clients have the default as
top posting, but my problem with that is that in order to find out
what the person is replying to - I have to go search the message.

If you put just the specific thing you are responding to on top,
then you read that first, and then the response, as you see here.

It's a more natural way to read than response first.

dg






locked Re: Owner messages in Archives

 

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 7:30 AM, D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:
Mark - I've noticed that messages posted from the owner addresses post to email as coming from the owner, but messages in the archives show as just coming from me. I think it might be more useful to show those messages in the Archives as coming from the owner for sorting purposes and to be consistent.  --  Dano

Good idea. I've added it to the list.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger

 

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:40 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

> Shal...how did you get this post into Beta?

Darn good question.

I replied to your post, sending it to owlperch only I thought. But I received it back from both owlperch and beta. As apparently did you, and unfortunately you replied to the copy from beta. I'm leaving this reply in beta, as explanation and apology to the members of beta.

I can only imagine that somehow I got beta into the bcc field without noticing. But that idea is contradicted by my sent message - it has nothing in the bcc field.


I looked through the logs. At 12:46am pacific time, we received an inbound smtp connection from RoadRunner. In the one connection, both emails were sent, one after the other. The beta message was sent first, owlperch was second.

Mark


locked Re: Replying to messages

 

On 1/22/2015 10:39 PM, J. Faulkner wrote:
It allows me to reply at the top so when someone reads my reply, they
see it first and don’t have to hunt for it further down in the message.
If you are talking about a message - and "top posting" - I disagree.

I know that is the "new way" - most mail clients have the default as
top posting, but my problem with that is that in order to find out
what the person is replying to - I have to go search the message.

If you put just the specific thing you are responding to on top,
then you read that first, and then the response, as you see here.

It's a more natural way to read than response first.

dg


locked Re: group-page, top

 

On 1/23/2015 1:11 AM, ro-esp wrote:

I agree with those who prefer the term "messages" to "archive".Please do
NOT call it "conversations"

In the archive/messages I would prefer a chronological order, not newest
on top.

As to the term "inbox".... I sincerely hope that is reserved for what I
see in my email-account, and not used for anything on a iogroups-website
And I agree with these - though for #2, I have reluctantly gotten used
to Yahoo and the newest being "on top" in the web list of messages.
In my email - everything is sorted with newest on the bottom - and
in the order they got to my inbox.

dg


locked Re: group-page, top

 

On 1/23/2015 1:11 AM, ro-esp wrote:

Can we opt out of those top-thingies? Discussing is not a contest, and
neither a subject nor a poster is "more important" because of more
prolific messages
Yes, please!

Nothing to make any "forum" turn into more noise than signal than
something indicating who is the "top". One of my biggest annoyances
about LinkedIn.

dg


locked Owner messages in Archives

 

Mark - I've noticed that messages posted from the owner addresses post to email as coming from the owner, but messages in the archives show as just coming from me. I think it might be more useful to show those messages in the Archives as coming from the owner for sorting purposes and to be consistent. -- Dano


locked Re: View options

 

Brenda, I don't presume to know exactly what others intend. I find it much safer to offer my thoughts and observations and let Mark sort it out. I *have* checked his To Do list, and didn't find such a reference, so I offered it in writing. I'm sure Mark is much more familiar with what's in his list than we are, and it's possible I missed something, hence my apology if it was a repeat. -- Dano


locked Re: Starting a new thread and reading the web page view

Duane
 

On my Plain Text only groups, there is no option and it only allows Plain Text. The little option box would be for groups that allow HTML.

2) I agree that a page select box would be helpful at the top.

3) There has been some discussion of having a signature and/or a member status title. Those are down the priority list, but may be added.

I check Mark's todo list every now and then: https://trello.com/b/qu3WgzVq/beta

Duane


locked Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger

Nightowl >8#
 
Edited

EDIT: ACK! It happened again! I somehow replied in here... again... in Beta. (sigh).  Maybe the info I posted about headers will help solve the mystery.

Shal, Mark, help???

Shal wrote:>>I replied to your post, sending it to owlperch only I thought. But I received it back from both owlperch and beta. As apparently did you, and unfortunately you replied to the copy from beta. I'm leaving this reply in beta, as explanation and apology to the members of beta.<<

I only replied to the one posted in Owlperch. I didn't know there was another one in Beta.

I didn't get two copies, just one, which was another reason I was confused. I didn't even know what was going on until I saw the message number was so high after I replied. But in my Mail account box I only have one message for each posting, with this header:
From: Shal (name and e-mail)
Subject: [Beta] Re: [Owlperch]
Reply To: Beta @ groups.io
To: Owlperch @ groups.io

Maybe that will help Mark or you figure out what happened.
(I included spaces to make it not a real link for e-mails)

I also apologize to the members of Beta. Owlperch is a publicly viewable group, but it's mostly for my team and I to discuss both the Crusade and groups.io. I have no idea how the post I replied to on my actual Owlperch website got into Beta. I was not using e-mail.

Hopefully Mark can help us figure out why and how it happened.

Meanwhile, I agree with Shal. It's time for this Owl to go to bed.

Brenda


locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

I'm with Brenda on this. If truth be told, all we really need (emphasis on need as opposed to nice to have) is what we had under Yahoo Classic Groups.

Robert
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the O2 network.
From: Feathered Leader
Sent: Friday, 23 January 2015 03:41
To: beta@groups.io
Reply To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: New Subscription Options

Shal....

I'm really struggling to understand any of these descriptions. And if I can't understand them, many Yahoo Groups users won't either.

So I have a suggestion:

Give us simple options and advanced options.

Under simple options, use these concepts:

Individual messages
Daily Digest
Special Notices
No Mail

Under Advanced options:

The things you and Mark are describing about muted and followed stuff. That way, people like me who want to collect the messages in e-mail, but read them live on the site, can do it simply, and easily.

I had to have John read both Mark's post and yours on this, and still don't completely understand them. There needs to be a simplified manner, at least at first. Then maybe a help page somewhere to further explain the advanced options.

Brenda











locked Lightweight "integrations" - link only #suggestion

 

Mark,

There are some external services that a group owner might want to make a part of their group which don't require an API, or anything more than a link to the service, because their purpose isn't to feed messages to the group.

An example might be a wiki on PBworks, for a group that wants a public accessible Wiki. Or a Dropbox folder. Or Flickr guest pass to a private photoset (aka Album).

Yes, such links could be added to the home page Website or description, or to the (future) Links feature or Wiki. But there may be a few which, in the opinion of the owner, deserve the first-class privilege of placement in the left-hand column list of group features.

The icon for such integrations could be some kind of stylized page and arrow that signifies going "off-site" (an idea shamelessly stolen from Wikipedia).

-- Shal


locked Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger

 

Brenda, Mark,

Shal...how did you get this post into Beta?
Darn good question.

I replied to your post, sending it to owlperch only I thought. But I received it back from both owlperch and beta. As apparently did you, and unfortunately you replied to the copy from beta. I'm leaving this reply in beta, as explanation and apology to the members of beta.

I can only imagine that somehow I got beta into the bcc field without noticing. But that idea is contradicted by my sent message - it has nothing in the bcc field.

This might be related to a couple of bounces I got earlier in the evening, complaining of a duplicate message:

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

beta@groups.io (reading confirmation): 500 Error: Duplicate message.
Arrival-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 06:49:37 +0000
Reporting-MTA: dns; cdptpa-oedge01

Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 06:49:37 +0000
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; web01.groups.io
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 500 Error: Duplicate message.
Final-Recipient: rfc822; beta@groups.io
Action: failed
Yet each of the two messages posted correctly (once) to beta.

I don't know if this happened at my outbound email service, or at Mark's inbound, or elsewise, but to everyone in both lists, I apologize for the confusion.

Time for bed I think.

-- Shal


locked group-page, top

ro-esp
 

6g. Re: [beta] New Subscription Options
From: Frances <travel@tansymews.ca>

By workaround, I mean that Groups.io is not designed to feature posts on each groups home page.
makes sense. featuring posts would be limited to public groups

When you go to your group, you see this:
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta <https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta>

No actual posts are shown, just the top posters, the top hashtags, and the message history.
Can we opt out of those top-thingies? Discussing is not a contest, and neither a subject nor a poster is "more important" because of more prolific messages


However, I now see that Mark has put in a link to the archive (In box)
I agree with those who prefer the term "messages" to "archive".Please do NOT call it "conversations"

In the archive/messages I would prefer a chronological order, not newest on top.


As to the term "inbox".... I sincerely hope that is reserved for what I see in my email-account, and not used for anything on a iogroups-website

groetjes, Ronaldo

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locked Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger

Nightowl >8#
 

Shal...how did you get this post into Beta? I was reading Beta, and clicking next, and this was message 1097, but Owlperch doesn't have that many messages....

Owls are confused.... Did you copy it over to here to answer it, or is it somehow in both locations? If it's in both locations, show me how you did that?

Brenda


locked Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger

Nightowl >8#
 

Shal wrote:>>'m not them, but I think it is always permissible to bring your own documents (those that you created) to another site. Whether it is "doable" in the sense of "easy to accomplish" may be another matter entirely...<<

You can always weigh in on something I direct to others. :) Okay, so as long as we know it's not against Yahoo's TOS, we can do that. Duane and Matthew can probably figure out how. Thanks.

Shal wrote:>>I'll have to try it and see. I can copy the formatted text or the HTML code out of PBworks' wikis, but I haven't done much yet with Groups.io's wikis. It looks like one can only see the formatted text, but that may ok if that will paste sensibly into Wordpress or Neo.<<

Okay, next question on that, does Mark allow us to copy and transport data from a Wiki here to somewhere else? If so, that would be great, if we could get it maintained both here and the blog or group.

Shal wrote:>>Still haven't found the time to fold Duane's (updated) file into the Feature Comparison page Tyger put up at MMsanctuary. Been busy, and its looking like my weekend is going to be slammed too.<<

Believe me, I get it. I feel some nights like I just want to flop into bed and not move, but there's too much to get done before I can. Or if I don't do some things, I feel horribly guilty. I'm struggling to get a balance between myself/John, Parents, and Other. That's why I asked for feedback about how people feel because I can't be monitoring all of this all the time like I used to.

It's not any sort of rush, just wondering if we can do it. See, the main thing to do in MM is explain this to them, both in present feature mode, and future features mode.

Thanks Shal,

Brenda



locked Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger

 

Brenda,

Duane & Matthew,
What are the rules about bringing over documents, i.e. charts, files,
etc. we created on Yahoo to here? Is that doable, since we created them?
I'm not them, but I think it is always permissible to bring your own documents (those that you created) to another site. Whether it is "doable" in the sense of "easy to accomplish" may be another matter entirely...

Note that in Yahoo Groups' Guidelines it is all about permission:

5. Post your own content. Have the other group member's permissions
before re-posting their content. This goes for you too, moderators.

Can you transport a Wiki? Is there any way to get the table that Tyger
started in the Wiki on Sanctuary viewable on the Yahoo Crusade Blog, or
to Mods and Members?
I'll have to try it and see. I can copy the formatted text or the HTML code out of PBworks' wikis, but I haven't done much yet with Groups.io's wikis. It looks like one can only see the formatted text, but that may ok if that will paste sensibly into Wordpress or Neo.

Still haven't found the time to fold Duane's (updated) file into the Feature Comparison page Tyger put up at MMsanctuary. Been busy, and its looking like my weekend is going to be slammed too.

-- Shal