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locked Re: View options

 

Brenda, I don't presume to know exactly what others intend. I find it much safer to offer my thoughts and observations and let Mark sort it out. I *have* checked his To Do list, and didn't find such a reference, so I offered it in writing. I'm sure Mark is much more familiar with what's in his list than we are, and it's possible I missed something, hence my apology if it was a repeat. -- Dano


locked Re: Starting a new thread and reading the web page view

Duane
 

On my Plain Text only groups, there is no option and it only allows Plain Text. The little option box would be for groups that allow HTML.

2) I agree that a page select box would be helpful at the top.

3) There has been some discussion of having a signature and/or a member status title. Those are down the priority list, but may be added.

I check Mark's todo list every now and then: https://trello.com/b/qu3WgzVq/beta

Duane


locked Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger

Nightowl >8#
 
Edited

EDIT: ACK! It happened again! I somehow replied in here... again... in Beta. (sigh).  Maybe the info I posted about headers will help solve the mystery.

Shal, Mark, help???

Shal wrote:>>I replied to your post, sending it to owlperch only I thought. But I received it back from both owlperch and beta. As apparently did you, and unfortunately you replied to the copy from beta. I'm leaving this reply in beta, as explanation and apology to the members of beta.<<

I only replied to the one posted in Owlperch. I didn't know there was another one in Beta.

I didn't get two copies, just one, which was another reason I was confused. I didn't even know what was going on until I saw the message number was so high after I replied. But in my Mail account box I only have one message for each posting, with this header:
From: Shal (name and e-mail)
Subject: [Beta] Re: [Owlperch]
Reply To: Beta @ groups.io
To: Owlperch @ groups.io

Maybe that will help Mark or you figure out what happened.
(I included spaces to make it not a real link for e-mails)

I also apologize to the members of Beta. Owlperch is a publicly viewable group, but it's mostly for my team and I to discuss both the Crusade and groups.io. I have no idea how the post I replied to on my actual Owlperch website got into Beta. I was not using e-mail.

Hopefully Mark can help us figure out why and how it happened.

Meanwhile, I agree with Shal. It's time for this Owl to go to bed.

Brenda


locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

I'm with Brenda on this. If truth be told, all we really need (emphasis on need as opposed to nice to have) is what we had under Yahoo Classic Groups.

Robert
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the O2 network.
From: Feathered Leader
Sent: Friday, 23 January 2015 03:41
To: beta@groups.io
Reply To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: New Subscription Options

Shal....

I'm really struggling to understand any of these descriptions. And if I can't understand them, many Yahoo Groups users won't either.

So I have a suggestion:

Give us simple options and advanced options.

Under simple options, use these concepts:

Individual messages
Daily Digest
Special Notices
No Mail

Under Advanced options:

The things you and Mark are describing about muted and followed stuff. That way, people like me who want to collect the messages in e-mail, but read them live on the site, can do it simply, and easily.

I had to have John read both Mark's post and yours on this, and still don't completely understand them. There needs to be a simplified manner, at least at first. Then maybe a help page somewhere to further explain the advanced options.

Brenda











locked Lightweight "integrations" - link only #suggestion

 

Mark,

There are some external services that a group owner might want to make a part of their group which don't require an API, or anything more than a link to the service, because their purpose isn't to feed messages to the group.

An example might be a wiki on PBworks, for a group that wants a public accessible Wiki. Or a Dropbox folder. Or Flickr guest pass to a private photoset (aka Album).

Yes, such links could be added to the home page Website or description, or to the (future) Links feature or Wiki. But there may be a few which, in the opinion of the owner, deserve the first-class privilege of placement in the left-hand column list of group features.

The icon for such integrations could be some kind of stylized page and arrow that signifies going "off-site" (an idea shamelessly stolen from Wikipedia).

-- Shal


locked Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger

 

Brenda, Mark,

Shal...how did you get this post into Beta?
Darn good question.

I replied to your post, sending it to owlperch only I thought. But I received it back from both owlperch and beta. As apparently did you, and unfortunately you replied to the copy from beta. I'm leaving this reply in beta, as explanation and apology to the members of beta.

I can only imagine that somehow I got beta into the bcc field without noticing. But that idea is contradicted by my sent message - it has nothing in the bcc field.

This might be related to a couple of bounces I got earlier in the evening, complaining of a duplicate message:

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

beta@groups.io (reading confirmation): 500 Error: Duplicate message.
Arrival-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 06:49:37 +0000
Reporting-MTA: dns; cdptpa-oedge01

Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 06:49:37 +0000
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; web01.groups.io
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 500 Error: Duplicate message.
Final-Recipient: rfc822; beta@groups.io
Action: failed
Yet each of the two messages posted correctly (once) to beta.

I don't know if this happened at my outbound email service, or at Mark's inbound, or elsewise, but to everyone in both lists, I apologize for the confusion.

Time for bed I think.

-- Shal


locked group-page, top

ro-esp
 

6g. Re: [beta] New Subscription Options
From: Frances <travel@tansymews.ca>

By workaround, I mean that Groups.io is not designed to feature posts on each groups home page.
makes sense. featuring posts would be limited to public groups

When you go to your group, you see this:
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta <https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta>

No actual posts are shown, just the top posters, the top hashtags, and the message history.
Can we opt out of those top-thingies? Discussing is not a contest, and neither a subject nor a poster is "more important" because of more prolific messages


However, I now see that Mark has put in a link to the archive (In box)
I agree with those who prefer the term "messages" to "archive".Please do NOT call it "conversations"

In the archive/messages I would prefer a chronological order, not newest on top.


As to the term "inbox".... I sincerely hope that is reserved for what I see in my email-account, and not used for anything on a iogroups-website

groetjes, Ronaldo

--
http://www.esperanto.net http://www.moneyasdebt.net


locked Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger

Nightowl >8#
 

Shal...how did you get this post into Beta? I was reading Beta, and clicking next, and this was message 1097, but Owlperch doesn't have that many messages....

Owls are confused.... Did you copy it over to here to answer it, or is it somehow in both locations? If it's in both locations, show me how you did that?

Brenda


locked Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger

Nightowl >8#
 

Shal wrote:>>'m not them, but I think it is always permissible to bring your own documents (those that you created) to another site. Whether it is "doable" in the sense of "easy to accomplish" may be another matter entirely...<<

You can always weigh in on something I direct to others. :) Okay, so as long as we know it's not against Yahoo's TOS, we can do that. Duane and Matthew can probably figure out how. Thanks.

Shal wrote:>>I'll have to try it and see. I can copy the formatted text or the HTML code out of PBworks' wikis, but I haven't done much yet with Groups.io's wikis. It looks like one can only see the formatted text, but that may ok if that will paste sensibly into Wordpress or Neo.<<

Okay, next question on that, does Mark allow us to copy and transport data from a Wiki here to somewhere else? If so, that would be great, if we could get it maintained both here and the blog or group.

Shal wrote:>>Still haven't found the time to fold Duane's (updated) file into the Feature Comparison page Tyger put up at MMsanctuary. Been busy, and its looking like my weekend is going to be slammed too.<<

Believe me, I get it. I feel some nights like I just want to flop into bed and not move, but there's too much to get done before I can. Or if I don't do some things, I feel horribly guilty. I'm struggling to get a balance between myself/John, Parents, and Other. That's why I asked for feedback about how people feel because I can't be monitoring all of this all the time like I used to.

It's not any sort of rush, just wondering if we can do it. See, the main thing to do in MM is explain this to them, both in present feature mode, and future features mode.

Thanks Shal,

Brenda



locked Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger

 

Brenda,

Duane & Matthew,
What are the rules about bringing over documents, i.e. charts, files,
etc. we created on Yahoo to here? Is that doable, since we created them?
I'm not them, but I think it is always permissible to bring your own documents (those that you created) to another site. Whether it is "doable" in the sense of "easy to accomplish" may be another matter entirely...

Note that in Yahoo Groups' Guidelines it is all about permission:

5. Post your own content. Have the other group member's permissions
before re-posting their content. This goes for you too, moderators.

Can you transport a Wiki? Is there any way to get the table that Tyger
started in the Wiki on Sanctuary viewable on the Yahoo Crusade Blog, or
to Mods and Members?
I'll have to try it and see. I can copy the formatted text or the HTML code out of PBworks' wikis, but I haven't done much yet with Groups.io's wikis. It looks like one can only see the formatted text, but that may ok if that will paste sensibly into Wordpress or Neo.

Still haven't found the time to fold Duane's (updated) file into the Feature Comparison page Tyger put up at MMsanctuary. Been busy, and its looking like my weekend is going to be slammed too.

-- Shal


locked Re: Replying to messages

 

Judy,

Mark, will replying in the reply box allow that reply to show at the top
of the message or do you at least have an option?
Mark mentioned copying the original message's text into the reply as quoted text. But I don't see that on the published todo list.
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta/message/384

-- Shal


locked Re: Replying to messages

 

Mark,

I thought about having it automatically scroll a bit up to make sure the
reply box is in view, which I can do, but I'm not sure that's best.
I think scrolling it just enough to ensure that the screen changed somewhat would be helpful. Understanding that there's a danger of annoying the user by scrolling things they want to see off the other end, you wouldn't want to go too far with this.

Reason: early on there was a problem with Yahoo Neo where if a menu button was at the bottom of the screen the menu would open entirely off-screen. So the visual appearance was that the button had no effect whatsoever. Unless one happened to think of scrolling down. And just to double-down on the problem, the natural scrolling behavior as one moved from message to message put the row of action buttons for the next message right at the bottom of the screen. I wouldn't want the Reply to exhibit a similar usability fail.

-- Shal


locked Re: Replying to messages

 

Mark,

It's an artifact of HTML, where a return is treated as a paragraph
break.
That's not exactly HTML's fault.

I would think it is entirely up to the editor how it handles the Enter key. So, for example, the editor could tentatively insert a <br> with the first enter, then replace it with a </p><p> with the second enter. Or perhaps generally a </p><p> for each even number of enters plus a <br> for any odd remainder.

You can always switch to plaintext for your reply, if you're not going
to be including any formatting. Use the drop down selector at the bottom
right of the reply box to switch to plain text. At some point I'll make
that a preference you can set.
I'll like that.

-- Shal


locked Re: View options

Nightowl >8#
 

Dan,


I'm pretty sure that letting us set a default for message view is on his list of things to do. If it will help you out, here is where to see Mark's To Do list. :)

https://trello.com/b/qu3WgzVq/beta


Brenda


locked View options

 

Mark -
One more thing to mention that may already be on your list. If this is a duplication I apologize.

Will the Message View page on the individual group pages either remember what view was last used (Thread View, Message View, or Expanded Message View), or alternately, will we be able to select a default view for our own pages? As a group owner I like the Expanded Message view, but I can see where other members might like something different.

Dano


locked Re: New Subscription Options

Nightowl >8#
 

Shal wrote:>>Brenda, That's what I'm trying to do.
Under simple options, use these concepts:

Individual messages
Daily Digest
Special Notices
No Mail<<

Ah, sorry, I wasn't grasping that it was two different things. But it does help that the owners and moderators can change mail delivery options for members, because that is something we often have to do when they can't figure out what they want, or it somehow gets changed to something else.

Thanks, Shal.


locked Re: Replying to messages

Nightowl >8#
 

Yay! Thanks!

That's really nice, not having it jump up there to the top when we hit reply.

I know eventually, it will have auto-quote, but for now, the >> (text) << seem to be working ok. Copy, paste, and put it in between them. :)

Brenda


locked Starting a new thread and reading the web page view

 

When starting a new thread, it looks like the default is now HTML. It would be helpful if groups would remember your preferences for that group. I also try to open "Post" in a new window so as to not lose where I'm at in Message View.

I've been reading Beta from the web page. I find it's easy to jump between Message View and Expanded Message View. There are a couple things I would offer as suggestions, and I'm not sure if some of these might not already be on your to do list.

1) Reading with the newest at the top, I have to continually scroll down to find the message number I'm on. The message number might be more useful at the top of the message.

2) When trying to go back to where I left off, I have to scroll down to the bottom of the page to go back a page, and if I need to go back more than one page, I have to scroll down again. Can the page selection box be at both the top and the bottom of the page?

3) When I start a thread as the group owner, it shows up as coming from my own member identity instead of as coming from the group owner. There are times I really do need make it very plain to readers that I've put on the Group Owner hat and it's something serious. Very seldom do these need to be Special Notices.

As I noted, these may already be on the list.

Dano


locked Re: Replying to messages

Nightowl >8#
 

Wonderful! I just have to remember to click the Plain Text choice BEFORE I start typing, because if I do it in the middle, it adds all kinds of weird characters!


And yes, I would be thrilled if this could eventually be a defaulted option that I wouldn't have to change every time I reply. :)


This just gets better and better!


Brenda


locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

JohnF,

It's easier to understand that if you don't normally receive mail, but
there are a few types of message that you do want to receive in mail,
you Follow.
Precisely. You select "Following Only" and follow what you want.

In your choice of Individual or Digest (or Special Notices or No Email if you want to turn them off, say while you're on vacation).

If you normally receive mail, but there are a few types of messages that
you don't want, you Mute.
Precisely. You select "All Messages" and you mute what you don't want.

Same delivery options.

-- Shal